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2021-05-11 11:43:02 PM  
It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.

[snoring noises]
 
2021-05-11 11:48:35 PM  
 
2021-05-11 11:55:09 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.

[snoring noises]


With a rate that low it's hard to distinguish from background. On top of that, even if it's from the vaccine it's easily below the threshold of stopping its use.
 
2021-05-12 12:53:30 AM  
When I had the AstraZeneca about 3 weeks ago and after reviewing my form which had many of the same questions they asked:
Nurse: You are male?
yes
Nurse : There are more stupid questions but we have to ask... Are you taking any birth controll pills?
no
Nurse : Are you taking Microlut?
no
Nurse : are you taking progesterone? [chemical name of the brand above]
no
... more of the same with lots more birth control pill names...
Nurse : are you taking Diane
A: no.  Isn't that also used for acne?
The nurse thought about it and said yes.  Asked if I knew if it was used for males. She pulled out a form wrote some details on it.  Said they are going to have look into it an reword the question.

Here they have doses of AZ for everyone over 50 that wants it.  They do have a shortage of Pfizer since they had been planning on using AZ for nearly everyone.  At least there was only one know case in the wild nearby but it was from someone who came from India a month ago and had tested negative several times over that month.
 
2021-05-12 1:23:28 AM  
You're much more likely to die in a car accident driving to get the vaccine than from a clot from the AZ vaccine.

I got the AZ vaccine as soon as it was available to me.

In general people do not understand numbers much larger than ten.

Time again for my semi-regular plug for  "Risk: The Science and Politics of Fear" https://www.amazon.ca/Risk-Scie​nce-Pol​itics-Dan-Gardner-ebook/dp/B00395ZZ1W

It should be mandatory reading in high school.
 
2021-05-12 1:54:47 AM  

Mollari: You're much more likely to die in a car accident driving to get the vaccine than from a clot from the AZ vaccine.

I got the AZ vaccine as soon as it was available to me.

In general people do not understand numbers much larger than ten.

Time again for my semi-regular plug for  "Risk: The Science and Politics of Fear" https://www.amazon.ca/Risk-Scien​ce-Politics-Dan-Gardner-ebook/dp/B0039​5ZZ1W

It should be mandatory reading in high school.


How are you calculating that car accident rate?

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-​s​tatistics/detail/state-by-state puts it at 11 deaths per 100,000 on an annual basis.

Let's say that the death rate from the AZ vaccine is 1 in a million (this article mentions 3 deaths so far out of 2.3 million AZ doses). The car fatality rate of 110 per million per year works out to about 110/365 = 0.3 deaths per million per day.

Assuming that your nearest clinic is less than a day's drive away, it looks to me as if the vaccine is the more dangerous of the two.

Granted, the vaccine is still a lot safer than having actual COVID. But if it's a matter of waiting a few weeks until a different vaccine is available, and if you are able to limit your chance of exposure during that time, it's not a slam-dunk decision to take the riskier vaccine.
 
2021-05-12 1:58:28 AM  
AZ is available to all adults in Germany as of Monday. We have our appointment on Friday.
 
2021-05-12 2:23:11 AM  
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2021-05-12 3:01:53 AM  

Ivo Shandor: That article is from April 3. I know, Welcome to Fark. Anyway the count's a tad higher now.

[Fark user image 686x392]
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicat​ions/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adve​rse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summ​ary-of-yellow-card-reporting


Yeah.

I watched CTV Newfoudnland tv news tonight (sorry, no online citation).

Apparently the clot rate in Canada changed over the span of like, 2 weeks.

It used to be a wide margin.

From 1 in 100,00 to 1 in 1,000,000

To, as for Monday, the clot rate was 1 in 55,000 to 60,000.

That's a steep change.
 
2021-05-12 4:16:40 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Ivo Shandor: That article is from April 3. I know, Welcome to Fark. Anyway the count's a tad higher now.

[Fark user image 686x392]
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicat​ions/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adve​rse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summ​ary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Yeah.

I watched CTV Newfoudnland tv news tonight (sorry, no online citation).

Apparently the clot rate in Canada changed over the span of like, 2 weeks.

It used to be a wide margin.

From 1 in 100,00 to 1 in 1,000,000

To, as for Monday, the clot rate was 1 in 55,000 to 60,000.

That's a steep change.


It's also false.
 
2021-05-12 4:40:46 AM  
Yeah, I'm in Australia, I'll just wait for a Pfizer thanks.

It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.

30 cases in 18 million AZ doses, but only two after more than 10 million Pfizers. Looks like the difference is due to the AZ vaccine to me.

"Given its inferior efficacy and the risk of blood clots, the continued rollout of AstraZeneca can only be justified as an emergency measure to prevent an imminent third wave before Pfizer and Novavax doses are delivered to all Australians." https://www.policyforum.net/australia​s​-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-ch​ange/ "But Australia is persisting with the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine and has, by default, imposed AstraZeneca as the only vaccine for almost all of those 50 years of age and older because those under 50 years have priority over the limited supplies of Pfizer."

F*ck you ScoMo, thanks for not considering me worth a Pfizer because I'm over fifty. I'm going to join everyone else who is going to wait because they regard themselves as deserving of a better vaccine.

Sheesh, look at New Zealand, which is giving all their citizens Pfizer. They've been the role model to emulate for this entire pandemic.
 
2021-05-12 5:43:11 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Ivo Shandor: That article is from April 3. I know, Welcome to Fark. Anyway the count's a tad higher now.

[Fark user image 686x392]
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicat​ions/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adve​rse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summ​ary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Yeah.

I watched CTV Newfoudnland tv news tonight (sorry, no online citation).

Apparently the clot rate in Canada changed over the span of like, 2 weeks.

It used to be a wide margin.

From 1 in 100,00 to 1 in 1,000,000

To, as for Monday, the clot rate was 1 in 55,000 to 60,000.

That's a steep change.


You are correct, here is the article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/heal​th/astraze​neca-vaccine-paused-canada-blood-clot-​vitt-1.6022821

"Risk of blood clots tied to AstraZeneca shot now estimated at 1 in 55,000 in Canada"
 
2021-05-12 5:56:15 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Granted, the vaccine is still a lot safer than having actual COVID. But if it's a matter of waiting a few weeks until a different vaccine is available, and if you are able to limit your chance of exposure during that time, it's not a slam-dunk decision to take the riskier vaccine.


This is essentially the point, there are other vaccines. It's not really like it's AZ or nothing. If you live in India or Papua New Guinea, it might be true that there are no other vaccine options. But for first world countries that are not currently overwhelmed with out of control covid transmissions, there are better vaccine options than AZ. We just might need to keep insisting the better options be made available and wait a bit longer.
 
2021-05-12 6:52:45 AM  

I Ate Shergar: [pbs.twimg.com image 800x453]


You're mixing deaths from clots and having clots.

That said, even apples to apples you want the vaccine.

Most vaccines have a handful of deaths per million.
 
2021-05-12 8:35:17 AM  

Mollari: You're much more likely to die in a car accident driving to get the vaccine than from a clot from the AZ vaccine.

I got the AZ vaccine as soon as it was available to me.

In general people do not understand numbers much larger than ten.

Time again for my semi-regular plug for  "Risk: The Science and Politics of Fear" https://www.amazon.ca/Risk-Scien​ce-Politics-Dan-Gardner-ebook/dp/B0039​5ZZ1W

It should be mandatory reading in high school.


Your opening line is false.
 
2021-05-12 8:39:22 AM  
If 599,999 people are ok and you have a problem, your genes aren't helping evolution
 
2021-05-12 8:55:34 AM  
So a 1 in 600,000 chance of dying from a blot clot.

Just for perspective, odds of having died in a particular way in the US:

Struck by lightning:  1 in 138,849
Dog attack:  1 in 86,781
Hornet, wasp and bee stings;  1 in 59,507
 
2021-05-12 10:21:29 AM  

Nidiot: Sheesh, look at New Zealand, which is giving all their citizens Pfizer. They've been the role model to emulate for this entire pandemic.


But I can't see my Kiwi girlfriend because of the lockdown. You don't know her because she goes to a different school.
 
2021-05-12 10:35:28 AM  

Nidiot: Yeah, I'm in Australia, I'll just wait for a Pfizer thanks.

It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.

30 cases in 18 million AZ doses, but only two after more than 10 million Pfizers. Looks like the difference is due to the AZ vaccine to me.

"Given its inferior efficacy and the risk of blood clots, the continued rollout of AstraZeneca can only be justified as an emergency measure to prevent an imminent third wave before Pfizer and Novavax doses are delivered to all Australians." https://www.policyforum.net/australias​-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-ch​ange/ "But Australia is persisting with the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine and has, by default, imposed AstraZeneca as the only vaccine for almost all of those 50 years of age and older because those under 50 years have priority over the limited supplies of Pfizer."

F*ck you ScoMo, thanks for not considering me worth a Pfizer because I'm over fifty. I'm going to join everyone else who is going to wait because they regard themselves as deserving of a better vaccine.

Sheesh, look at New Zealand, which is giving all their citizens Pfizer. They've been the role model to emulate for this entire pandemic.


hard to emulate living on an island
 
2021-05-12 10:48:14 AM  

petec: Nidiot: Yeah, I'm in Australia, I'll just wait for a Pfizer thanks.

It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.

30 cases in 18 million AZ doses, but only two after more than 10 million Pfizers. Looks like the difference is due to the AZ vaccine to me.

"Given its inferior efficacy and the risk of blood clots, the continued rollout of AstraZeneca can only be justified as an emergency measure to prevent an imminent third wave before Pfizer and Novavax doses are delivered to all Australians." https://www.policyforum.net/australias​-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-ch​ange/ "But Australia is persisting with the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine and has, by default, imposed AstraZeneca as the only vaccine for almost all of those 50 years of age and older because those under 50 years have priority over the limited supplies of Pfizer."

F*ck you ScoMo, thanks for not considering me worth a Pfizer because I'm over fifty. I'm going to join everyone else who is going to wait because they regard themselves as deserving of a better vaccine.

Sheesh, look at New Zealand, which is giving all their citizens Pfizer. They've been the role model to emulate for this entire pandemic.

hard to emulate living on an island


https://www.worldometers.info/coronav​i​rus/country/viet-nam/

Not an island (has a land border with China). Population around 98 million. 35 deaths from 3,623 cases so far.
 
2021-05-12 1:01:47 PM  

Nidiot: Bennie Crabtree: Ivo Shandor: That article is from April 3. I know, Welcome to Fark. Anyway the count's a tad higher now.

[Fark user image 686x392]
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicat​ions/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adve​rse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summ​ary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Yeah.

I watched CTV Newfoudnland tv news tonight (sorry, no online citation).

Apparently the clot rate in Canada changed over the span of like, 2 weeks.

It used to be a wide margin.

From 1 in 100,00 to 1 in 1,000,000

To, as for Monday, the clot rate was 1 in 55,000 to 60,000.

That's a steep change.

You are correct, here is the article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/healt​h/astrazeneca-vaccine-paused-canada-bl​ood-clot-vitt-1.6022821

"Risk of blood clots tied to AstraZeneca shot now estimated at 1 in 55,000 in Canada"


Thanks for finding it!
 
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