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2021-05-11 5:13:54 PM  
If your business can't attract a work force away from the pimpin' life style afforded by unemployment insurance...you absolutely suck at business and should probably fold now for the good of everyone.  You are not entitled to workers, and finally for once they've got a choice vs working for slave wages in your industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.
 
2021-05-11 8:30:08 PM  
I have often desired the services of a "Chicken Head" during the late, lonely nights in America's Finest City, San Diego.
 
2021-05-11 8:31:42 PM  
Ultimately I think we're just going to end up with a large part of the country thinking that "we're too generous" and basically ending unemployment entirely to solve this "problem". Because that's the kind of thing that happens here now.

/wouldn't be surprised if there's a push to end minimum wage, too.
 
2021-05-11 10:48:16 PM  

BumpInTheNight: your industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.


I agree.

The restaurant industry, with its high profit margins, no barrier to entry, and an almost non-existent failure rate really has been the bane of the economy.

Why can't restaurant owners go into business as banks, lenders, insurance, or some other useful industry that doesn't leech off the economy?  Why don't they become lawyers?

/Because restaurant owners are all wealthy and lazy fat cats, that's why.
//They're all Hitler
 
2021-05-11 10:59:08 PM  

Dr.Fey: BumpInTheNight: your industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

I agree.

The restaurant industry, with its high profit margins, no barrier to entry, and an almost non-existent failure rate really has been the bane of the economy.

Why can't restaurant owners go into business as banks, lenders, insurance, or some other useful industry that doesn't leech off the economy?  Why don't they become lawyers?

/Because restaurant owners are all wealthy and lazy fat cats, that's why.
//They're all Hitler


I miss this German restaurant in San Francisco. It was in the Mission, kinda. Really small. Great beer. Neat atmosphere. I can't remember the name because it's been a few years.
 
2021-05-11 11:13:33 PM  

Dr.Fey: BumpInTheNight: your industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

I agree.

The restaurant industry, with its high profit margins, no barrier to entry, and an almost non-existent failure rate really has been the bane of the economy.

Why can't restaurant owners go into business as banks, lenders, insurance, or some other useful industry that doesn't leech off the economy?  Why don't they become lawyers?

/Because restaurant owners are all wealthy and lazy fat cats, that's why.
//They're all Hitler


I think Mickey D's can weather the storm.
 
2021-05-11 11:13:42 PM  
Perhaps I'll go to the movies, by myself.

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2021-05-11 11:17:36 PM  

Dr.Fey: BumpInTheNight: your industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

I agree.

The restaurant industry, with its high profit margins, no barrier to entry, and an almost non-existent failure rate really has been the bane of the economy.

Why can't restaurant owners go into business as banks, lenders, insurance, or some other useful industry that doesn't leech off the economy?  Why don't they become lawyers?

/Because restaurant owners are all wealthy and lazy fat cats, that's why.
//They're all Hitler


The mom and pop places always hold on by a hair.

McDonald's can maybe drop their marketing by 10% and pay people a little more.  Or not. I have no idea.
 
2021-05-11 11:19:41 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I think Mickey D's can weather the storm.


Mickey D's is not paying the staff; that's the franchise owner.

Mickey D's is essentially a real estate company.
 
2021-05-11 11:23:54 PM  

hervatski: The mom and pop places always hold on by a hair.


No!  Didn't you read what BumpInTheNight wrote?  Mom and pop restaurant owners are part of an industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

If mom and pop cannot attract a work force away from unemployment insurance, they absolutely suck at business and should probably fold now for the good of everyone.

Mom and pop are Hitler.  They should have done something useful for society and become landlords.

hervatski: McDonald's can maybe drop their marketing by 10% and pay people a little more


McDonald's Doesn't Determine The Wages Franchisees Pay
 
2021-05-11 11:32:35 PM  
60 days, let's say 8 weeks for easy math.
40 days.
320 hours.
$100 bonus.
Less than $1 / hour and then you're back to shiat wages.

Not worth it.

Universal Basic Income now.
 
2021-05-11 11:33:35 PM  

BumpInTheNight: If your business can't attract a work force away from the pimpin' life style afforded by unemployment insurance...you absolutely suck at business and should probably fold now for the good of everyone.  You are not entitled to workers, and finally for once they've got a choice vs working for slave wages in your industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.


Done in one.

So how about that local sports team?
 
2021-05-11 11:37:07 PM  
As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.
 
2021-05-11 11:40:31 PM  

Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.


Please tell us about your business and employees. This should be very enlightening.
 
2021-05-11 11:59:54 PM  
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2021-05-12 12:01:30 AM  
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2021-05-12 12:06:32 AM  

Shryke: Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.

Please tell us about your business and employees. This should be very enlightening.


Well, I currently don't have any employees other than my spouse, who helps me with some billing/contract work.  On the other hand, I'm still in the relatively early stages, having started the business in 2019.

Here's a bit more about my philosophy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StructuralEn​g​ineering/comments/n9mbbk/comment/gxox8​jj
 
2021-05-12 12:16:34 AM  
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2021-05-12 12:32:03 AM  

Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.


Back when I drove to work every day about twice a week I'd stop at a McDonald's for breakfast.  Guess the average age of the employees I interacted with.  Come on you can do it.
If you guessed anything under 50 you lose.
 
2021-05-12 12:37:40 AM  

haknudsen: Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.

Back when I drove to work every day about twice a week I'd stop at a McDonald's for breakfast.  Guess the average age of the employees I interacted with.  Come on you can do it.
If you guessed anything under 50 you lose.


Unsurprising, and that's kinda my point. Too many businesses have decided that hiring adults, keeping them low paid, and having them claim welfare benefits is an acceptable thing to do.  It's not; it pushes what should be a business expense on to the taxpayer.

Thing is, by allowing lower pay for young, presumably inexperienced people, you incentivize companies like McDs to hire and train them before they move on to other careers.
 
2021-05-12 12:47:43 AM  

Dr.Fey: hervatski: The mom and pop places always hold on by a hair.

No!  Didn't you read what BumpInTheNight wrote?  Mom and pop restaurant owners are part of an industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

If mom and pop cannot attract a work force away from unemployment insurance, they absolutely suck at business and should probably fold now for the good of everyone.

Mom and pop are Hitler.  They should have done something useful for society and become landlords.

hervatski: McDonald's can maybe drop their marketing by 10% and pay people a little more

McDonald's Doesn't Determine The Wages Franchisees Pay


They don't directly, they do indirectly.
 
2021-05-12 12:55:44 AM  

Shryke: Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.

Please tell us about your business and employees. This should be very enlightening.


Just so we are clear, your position is businesses should not be required to pay a living wage to their employees. That is what you are arguing right?

Do you believe in a minimum wage? If so what should it be? If not are you okay with modern serfdom? Should working people be allowed a life with dignity or is it fyigm?
 
2021-05-12 1:24:50 AM  
This whole thing went wrong when we collectively decided that More Stuff was preferable to More Free Time with the rise of industrial farming and factory automation.
 
2021-05-12 2:55:41 AM  

Russ1642: Perhaps I'll go to the movies, by myself.

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He should have taken a percentage instead of a "flat rate".

/let's see who gets that
 
2021-05-12 3:54:23 AM  

themindiswatching: Ultimately I think we're just going to end up with a large part of the country thinking that "we're too generous" and basically ending unemployment entirely to solve this "problem". Because that's the kind of thing that happens here now.

/wouldn't be surprised if there's a push to end minimum wage, too.


People would die. I would kill them. I'm not the only one.
 
2021-05-12 5:27:48 AM  
Signing bonuses are just a way to tell your existing employees that they should leave because you are scared of paying new employees what they are worth because that'd force you to pay them more too.
 
2021-05-12 6:30:40 AM  
Schools are closed but White Castle is open for indoor "dining."
 
2021-05-12 7:10:15 AM  

themindiswatching: Ultimately I think we're just going to end up with a large part of the country thinking that "we're too generous" and basically ending unemployment entirely to solve this "problem". Because that's the kind of thing that happens here now.

/wouldn't be surprised if there's a push to end minimum wage, too.


I'm fine with ending minimum wage and welfare as long as that is coupled with ubi.
 
2021-05-12 7:18:51 AM  

Dr.Fey: hervatski: The mom and pop places always hold on by a hair.

No!  Didn't you read what BumpInTheNight wrote?  Mom and pop restaurant owners are part of an industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

If mom and pop cannot attract a work force away from unemployment insurance, they absolutely suck at business and should probably fold now for the good of everyone.

Mom and pop are Hitler.  They should have done something useful for society and become landlords.

hervatski: McDonald's can maybe drop their marketing by 10% and pay people a little more

McDonald's Doesn't Determine The Wages Franchisees Pay


Tough shiat. It doesn't matter if you're a mom&pop store or a multinational corp, if you need slave labor to exist, you shouldn't exist.
 
2021-05-12 7:32:11 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Dr.Fey: hervatski: The mom and pop places always hold on by a hair.

No!  Didn't you read what BumpInTheNight wrote?  Mom and pop restaurant owners are part of an industry that's been leeching off the economy for decades.

If mom and pop cannot attract a work force away from unemployment insurance, they absolutely suck at business and should probably fold now for the good of everyone.

Mom and pop are Hitler.  They should have done something useful for society and become landlords.

hervatski: McDonald's can maybe drop their marketing by 10% and pay people a little more

McDonald's Doesn't Determine The Wages Franchisees Pay

Tough shiat. It doesn't matter if you're a mom&pop store or a multinational corp, if you need slave labor to exist, you shouldn't exist.


I wonder how much off the bottom line it would cost McDonald's corporate to pay every employee the minimum wage and then have the franchisor be responsible for anything above that, to keep the pay competitive.
 
2021-05-12 7:40:51 AM  
So their NET is over 4 billion a year and for corporate to pay minimum wage for 200000 employees is a little over 3 billion. They will see more money in the long run if they do it like that.
 
2021-05-12 8:03:01 AM  
I imagine the real problem in finding waitstaff is that they've moved on to other different jobs in the last year-plus.

There just haven't been customers. And due to their reliance on tips as pay, you can give them all the shift hours you want but if there aren't customers it's just a nice slow way to starve to death. So they found other work, other means to earn, and aren't going to immediately bounce right back into the restaurant industry simply because restaurants have demand again.
 
2021-05-12 8:59:29 AM  
GregInIndy:

I imagine you're overthinking it.


shiatty slave jobs done finally been got by unemployment.   fark
'em.
 
2021-05-12 10:20:47 AM  
inflation is a thing now, so 15$ a fix amount should not be part of the conversation. by this time next year 15$ might have the buying power of 10$ last year.
 
2021-05-12 6:07:06 PM  

haknudsen: Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.

Back when I drove to work every day about twice a week I'd stop at a McDonald's for breakfast.  Guess the average age of the employees I interacted with.  Come on you can do it.
If you guessed anything under 50 you lose.


What does it say about our economy that most low paying fast food positions are held by people over 50? Pathetic.

GregInIndy: I imagine the real problem in finding waitstaff is that they've moved on to other different jobs in the last year-plus.

There just haven't been customers. And due to their reliance on tips as pay, you can give them all the shift hours you want but if there aren't customers it's just a nice slow way to starve to death. So they found other work, other means to earn, and aren't going to immediately bounce right back into the restaurant industry simply because restaurants have demand again.


So much THIS.
My sister is a waitress. In the last year she's had a lot of 8-hour shifts where she got only one table (Waitress pay is still $2.13/hour - same as it was in 1980 when I worked food service as a teen.). And the people who DID go out tend to be plague rats, so she was endangered by her customers. (Yes, she caught Covid, but was lucky enough to have a very minor case.) She's almost 60, so she's thinking of just retiring early rather than go back to work.
 
2021-05-12 6:11:02 PM  

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Not as much of a dichotomy in thought as people go to first glance.  There's no contradiction, they're individually disposable but en masse essential.

/until a pandemic hit and started farking with things
//and the cracks in the technically correct facade started to spread
///"But I was technically correct!" rarely holds water, especially when the water starts to rise
 
2021-05-13 10:37:06 AM  

Exception Collection: As a business owner:

If your business model requires not paying long term employees a living wage, your business model is fatally flawed and you are a leech on society.

If your industry relies on it, the industry is flawed.

If your margins are too thin, increase prices, pay your people more, and let them have enough money to hopefully buy things at your business.

Now, all of this said, I do think there's room for part time, low-paying positions filled by teens and other people without any experience.  Pay for these positions should start at a minimum training wage and increase to a living wage over two years of employment or until the individual is 20 years old, whichever comes first.


So people under 20 shouldn't be able to afford to live?
 
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