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2021-05-11 9:48:51 AM  
HOA, not even once.
 
2021-05-11 10:26:08 AM  
video was uploaded in 2018
 
2021-05-11 10:31:52 AM  

Sunidesus: video was uploaded in 2018


The suckage of HOAs transcends the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2021-05-11 10:34:12 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sunidesus: video was uploaded in 2018

The suckage of HOAs transcends the laws of thermodynamics.


I mean, you're not wrong.
 
2021-05-11 10:35:04 AM  
Non CSB: When I moved in 18 years ago, the HOA was a pain in the ass. Really, though, they were just rubber stamping everything the community manager wanted. She was the power hungry nitpicky maniac who wandered the streets writing up every bullshiat thing she could find. When she called city code enforcement to come out and cite every house in the neighborhood for unsafe sidewalks (the sidewalks were not even 10 years old at the time and were in reasonably good shape), the code enforcement found almost nothing wrong. Yet, she pushed and complained to the city. They sent courtesy notices about maintaining sidewalks to everyone. She then took that as an official blessing to start citing every household with violations, ordering every house to fix or replace their "deficient" sidewalks (to the tune of $500 to $5000 per house). That straw broke the camel's back.

Monthly HOA meetings typically had 3 or 4 homeowners show up to request permits for new fences or home additions. The meeting after the sidewalk debacle had about 100 homeowners (about half the neighborhood) raising hell.

The manager announced her resignation the next day. That was around 2005.

It has been very quiet ever since. Still a pain in the ass with outdated and stupid rules, but enforcement went from lunatic power drunk choad to maybe a gentle reminder every 5 or so years to trim street trees up so trucks don't hit the branches.

I still wouldn't ever intentionally move into an HOA neighborhood ever again.
 
2021-05-11 10:41:37 AM  

beezeltown: Monthly HOA meetings typically had 3 or 4 homeowners show up to request permits for new fences or home additions. The meeting after the sidewalk debacle had about 100 homeowners (about half the neighborhood) raising hell.


You made a mistake there.

You had the votes to basically kneecap the power of the HOA and you should have done it.
 
2021-05-11 10:48:42 AM  
I'm in a HOA, they're laid back about most things. The rules are mostly a copy of city laws, so they don't do much enforcement, the city does without them prompting.

Only thing that they freak out about is if you leave your trash bin out.  That gets you a letter telling you to please not leave your trash bin out. There are no real enforcement provisions.

Overall, their main job is to maintain the common areas, which they do well.
 
2021-05-11 10:48:43 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: beezeltown: Monthly HOA meetings typically had 3 or 4 homeowners show up to request permits for new fences or home additions. The meeting after the sidewalk debacle had about 100 homeowners (about half the neighborhood) raising hell.

You made a mistake there.

You had the votes to basically kneecap the power of the HOA and you should have done it.


I wish...3/4 of the homeowners are required to actually change anything, as the charter was written. Probably wouldn't hold up in court, but still...I did look into what you're suggesting at the time.

Our HOA was created by the developers to appeal to an early 90s sense of control and security that was apparently all the rage. They're still fuming over the fact they can't stop a homeowner from installing a satellite dish.
 
2021-05-11 10:48:55 AM  
I have lived in one HOA neighborhood.  They would send you nasty grams if you left your garage door open.
 
2021-05-11 10:57:09 AM  

beezeltown: Non CSB: When I moved in 18 years ago, the HOA was a pain in the ass. Really, though, they were just rubber stamping everything the community manager wanted. She was the power hungry nitpicky maniac who wandered the streets writing up every bullshiat thing she could find. When she called city code enforcement to come out and cite every house in the neighborhood for unsafe sidewalks (the sidewalks were not even 10 years old at the time and were in reasonably good shape), the code enforcement found almost nothing wrong. Yet, she pushed and complained to the city. They sent courtesy notices about maintaining sidewalks to everyone. She then took that as an official blessing to start citing every household with violations, ordering every house to fix or replace their "deficient" sidewalks (to the tune of $500 to $5000 per house). That straw broke the camel's back.

Monthly HOA meetings typically had 3 or 4 homeowners show up to request permits for new fences or home additions. The meeting after the sidewalk debacle had about 100 homeowners (about half the neighborhood) raising hell.

The manager announced her resignation the next day. That was around 2005.

It has been very quiet ever since. Still a pain in the ass with outdated and stupid rules, but enforcement went from lunatic power drunk choad to maybe a gentle reminder every 5 or so years to trim street trees up so trucks don't hit the branches.

I still wouldn't ever intentionally move into an HOA neighborhood ever again.


We had this god awful woman on ours (I only ended up living there 2 years before moving) so what we all did was file complaints if she broke even the slightest rule.  We'd get 4-5 people complaining over every single item.

The trash truck left 15 minutes ago and your can is still out - complaint
It's rained for a week straight and haven't cut your grass - complaint
More than two cars in your driveway even though you are cleaning the garage? complaint.
Oh had to drive your work truck home because you were leaving at the crack of dawn for a jobsite? -complaint

My personal favorite that I shared with my neighbors:
Not sending yourself a complaint letter over the complaints? - complaint
 
2021-05-11 11:02:08 AM  

beezeltown: Non CSB: When I moved in 18 years ago, the HOA was a pain in the ass. Really, though, they were just rubber stamping everything the community manager wanted. She was the power hungry nitpicky maniac who wandered the streets writing up every bullshiat thing she could find. When she called city code enforcement to come out and cite every house in the neighborhood for unsafe sidewalks (the sidewalks were not even 10 years old at the time and were in reasonably good shape), the code enforcement found almost nothing wrong. Yet, she pushed and complained to the city. They sent courtesy notices about maintaining sidewalks to everyone. She then took that as an official blessing to start citing every household with violations, ordering every house to fix or replace their "deficient" sidewalks (to the tune of $500 to $5000 per house). That straw broke the camel's back.

Monthly HOA meetings typically had 3 or 4 homeowners show up to request permits for new fences or home additions. The meeting after the sidewalk debacle had about 100 homeowners (about half the neighborhood) raising hell.

The manager announced her resignation the next day. That was around 2005.

It has been very quiet ever since. Still a pain in the ass with outdated and stupid rules, but enforcement went from lunatic power drunk choad to maybe a gentle reminder every 5 or so years to trim street trees up so trucks don't hit the branches.

I still wouldn't ever intentionally move into an HOA neighborhood ever again.


I tripped on your sidewalk and sprained my ankle. Expect notice from my attorney in the mail.
 
2021-05-11 11:07:07 AM  
Yeah, I've cohabitated in HOA developments.  Complete and utter bullshiat, and I would never buy a house in one.  As a matter of fact, while buying a house the first time, I passed on many great houses that I loved, because there was an HOA.  I finally got through to my realtor that No HOA means NO F*CKING HOA, and no, it's not negotiable if I find the "perfect" house.  I had to threaten to break our agreement and find another realtor if she took me to one more home with an HOA.  It was crazy.  Do HOAs pay realtors or something?

Anyway, yeah - any body of middle-aged past-peak busybodies who has the power to send my housing costs trough the roof on a whim, fine me for parking my car in the driveway and tell me what plants I can have is completely unacceptable to me.  For f*ck's sake, one time a Board member came to ours for dinner, raved about the food and how clever I was to grow my own herbs, and had the manager send us a notice the next day that my herb garden in the back was against covenants and I had to put them in containers on the postage-stamp deck, plus pay to re-sod the grass.

If there is one body more self-important and power-drunk than a School Board, it's an HOA.
 
2021-05-11 11:10:34 AM  

beezeltown: It has been very quiet ever since. Still a pain in the ass with outdated and stupid rules, but enforcement went from lunatic power drunk choad to maybe a gentle reminder every 5 or so years to trim street trees up so trucks don't hit the branches.


This is why I am so thankful I live in the UK where such issues are dealt with by the local council. By "local" I mean an area of half a million people. Enforcement may be beauacratic but it won't be personal. There are rules to follow, and a proper appeals process. You won't get some busybody person who lives five houses away and has just decided they don't like you/your car/your kids/your dog/your curtains etc. They can't make up new rules as and when they feel like it.

I have a public footpath that runs next to my garden fence. About ten years ago I got a letter from the council telling me I had to trim the overhanging trees. They gave me 28 days or they'd do it and bill me. No fine, no threats, plenty of time for me to take action. I did it and never heard from them again.
 
2021-05-11 11:12:59 AM  
HOAs are necessary in some places - attached townhomes, condos.

But where they're not necessary, they should be abolished.
 
2021-05-11 11:13:15 AM  
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2021-05-11 11:19:16 AM  
Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.
 
2021-05-11 11:28:31 AM  
As a middle aged nobody, I take issue with this. I would never stoop to being involved with an HOA.
 
2021-05-11 11:33:02 AM  
When an 8-year old can see through your bullsh*t...
 
2021-05-11 11:37:19 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.


See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.
 
2021-05-11 11:43:49 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.


LOL - and in my small Alaska town, not only are there no HOAs, there's no code enforcement.  There's code, yes, but no enforcement.  Buying a house can be, shall we say, an adventure.  Take an electrician.
 
2021-05-11 11:44:50 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.


That would be un-American.  You wouldn't understand.
 
2021-05-11 11:52:11 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Carter Pewterschmidt: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.

That would be un-American.  You wouldn't understand.


So, they should just shoot them?
 
2021-05-11 11:54:36 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.


are HOA's basically an admittance that the local government is a failure?
 
2021-05-11 12:05:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Benevolent Misanthrope: Carter Pewterschmidt: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.

That would be un-American.  You wouldn't understand.

So, they should just shoot them?


Now you're catching on.
 
2021-05-11 12:18:44 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.


LOL.

2/3rds of my property tax goes directly to the school district.

If anything, they tax you more due to higher property values.  They tax the HOA for common areas.

The HOA fees go to common area maintenance and taxes, and often there's a pool and tennis courts.

The problem is that the HOA jobs are voluntary, so they are mostly filled by bored retirees.
 
2021-05-11 12:28:27 PM  
This popped up on my YouTube recommendations over the weekend despite being uploaded in 2018. Now it shows up on Fark? What's going on with the algorithm!?
 
2021-05-11 1:11:50 PM  

TotallyHeadless: This popped up on my YouTube recommendations over the weekend despite being uploaded in 2018. Now it shows up on Fark? What's going on with the algorithm!?


Nothing, it got over 25 comments here in a redlit thread and didn't have any new content.
 
2021-05-11 1:20:19 PM  
Finally, some new Onion News Network videos.
 
2021-05-11 1:21:26 PM  
if you chose to live in a HOA you get what you deserve
 
2021-05-11 2:15:23 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Benevolent Misanthrope: Carter Pewterschmidt: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.

That would be un-American.  You wouldn't understand.

So, they should just shoot them?


No, you stop raising taxes and therefore providing services to any communities who AREN'T served by HOAs.  That way all the poor people can suffer even more because you don't provide basic public utility like road or side walk maintenance.
 
2021-05-11 2:36:19 PM  
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"I understand. Junior High must've been kind of tough, but it doesn't give you the right to treat [people] like horseshiat, Janice. I know we laugh at you, Janice. We all know you keep a stash of jelly donuts in the top drawer of your desk. But I want you to know, if you weren't such a biatch, we'd feel sorry for you. I do feel sorry for you. But as it stands, the way you behave - I feel I can speak for the entire [community] when I tell you... go fark yourself."
 
2021-05-11 3:52:51 PM  
We lived for much of the 90's in a condo community. The HOA had plenty of people who liked to make rules, but luckily very few who wanted to enforce them. My favorite silly rule was "No wooden cutout figures of granny bending over in the garden and showing her bloomers".
 
2021-05-11 5:04:12 PM  
Grew up in an HOA.  Drew the ire of the commish many times by organizing street hockey matches on the tennis courts during the day.  We didn't do this to deny tennis to anyone, but merely that during the summer days the courts sat empty and it was ideal for running tournaments as you could have two games simultaneously.  We also swept and cleaned up the courts both before and after we played--we needed a clean surface to play on, and we weren't gonna leave it worse then when we arrived.

He'd invariably threaten to call the cops, so we let him go off and do that, while we traipsed over to the other tennis court on the west side of the development.  Rinse, repeat.

Oddly, he never got tired of harassing us over the years.  We eventually called his bluff and as it turned out, either he failed to call the state troopers or they didn't bother showing up.  Cut down on the hassle of moving games around.
 
2021-05-11 7:29:42 PM  

Joe USer: Only thing that they freak out about is if


you sell your house to black people
 
2021-05-11 7:48:09 PM  
I live in a neighborhood without an HOA and fly a pirate flag from my house. It's glorious. On the other hand my dad runs/helps run the HOA for his condo community in Florida and while they're fairly tame, it sucks. Basically they do all of their own hiring and maintenance for the landscaping and condo upkeep, even though they literally live in a community within a gated community.
 
2021-05-11 8:06:53 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

See that's weird. Here councils like new houses being built so that they can charge council tax (our property tax) on them. If American authorities don't want to have to provide services and enforcement for a new development then why the hell are you paying them property tax?

Someone should propose a new federal law. You set a property tax, but any property in a HOA gets a 33% discount, because you aren't providing as much services to them so why should they pay as much.


In my area, there's a baseline property tax (like .7%), then additional taxes added depending on services provided. The top property tax rates are about 1.2% and include all services. My neighborhood has private trash collection and handles some of its own services; our rate's a bit under 1% (I think .98 or so). So in a sense, they're doing what you suggest. Most of the baseline tax goes to schools, the rest to libraries, bus service, health department, etc. (broken out into tiny percentages on the tax bill).
 
2021-05-11 9:16:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: Joe USer: Only thing that they freak out about is if

you sell your house to black people


I can say with 100% certainty that the majority of the HOA board here would not care who you sell to, just as long as they pay their fees and put the trash cans away.
 
2021-05-11 9:26:39 PM  
Some HOA Board members live by the rules.
Some HOA Board members live for the rules.

Run for the HOA Board and replace the latter.
Then change the rules you don't like.

Everybody benefits..

From personal experience, replace the wackos and work with the rest.  You'll be glad you did, and so will they.

If the CC&Rs have stupid, ridiculous sh*t in them, get rid of it via the Board meetings.
 
2021-05-12 12:31:55 AM  

kmfjd: TheGreatGazoo: Around here, HOAs are required for all new construction.  It's basically outsourcing code enforcement. so the county doesn't have to deal with it.

They can be handy when you have a hoarder who moves in and they deal with it faster than the county will.  I'm in a non HOA neighborhood where the county has taken years to get people to clean up their mess.

are HOA's basically an admittance that the local government is a failure?


Nascent cradles of democracy
 
2021-05-12 10:12:05 AM  
Too old to spend time watching the whole video. What was the rationale for leaving the garage doors open in 2018?
 
2021-05-12 3:28:33 PM  

LadySusan: Too old to spend time watching the whole video. What was the rationale for leaving the garage doors open in 2018?


People were illegally converting them to apartments. It was stupid and when someone pointed out they were liable for providing a basic level of security they quickly reversed it.
 
2021-05-12 3:40:38 PM  

Joe USer: LadySusan: Too old to spend time watching the whole video. What was the rationale for leaving the garage doors open in 2018?

People were illegally converting them to apartments. It was stupid and when someone pointed out they were liable for providing a basic level of security they quickly reversed it.


Wow, that is really weapons grade stupid. Thanks for saving me one iota of time.
 
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