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(ESPN)   Russell Westbrook scored 28 pts, dished out 21 asts and grabbed 13 rebs against the Hawks. With this latest triple-double, he passes the Big O for the most triple-doubles all-time   (espn.com) divider line
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2021-05-11 8:45:59 AM  
false, Subby's mom still holds the record for triple-double O's.
 
2021-05-11 8:50:42 AM  
being a ball hog will get you a lot of things
 
2021-05-11 8:53:56 AM  

ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things


Not assists
 
2021-05-11 8:55:50 AM  

SuperChuck: ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things

Not assists


Seriously, not rebounds either - SC is pretty much sporting a trumper IQ.
 
2021-05-11 8:55:58 AM  

ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things


You can't spell Big O without ballhOg
 
2021-05-11 9:27:21 AM  
What's crazy is the Wizards.

Their last four games have been decided by a TOTAL of five points, with the lone two-point game being an OT game.
 
2021-05-11 9:28:34 AM  

ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things


A better argument would be that stats are inflated from the Big O's time period and if adjusted for this inflation, Robertson might have exceeded Westbrook's stats.

I'm not going to bother to make that argument, however, because Westbrook is one of my favorite players to watch.  He plays like he's angry at everyone and he hustles his ass off.  He certainly has his deficiencies, but he's gritty AF and would have been dominant in any era.
 
2021-05-11 10:23:43 AM  
Would have been a perfect night if he had sunk the last jump-shot to win the game.
 
2021-05-11 11:47:59 AM  

SuperChuck: ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things

Not assists


Not 21 assists.  Against 22 FG attempts.  How many passes do you have to make to get 21 assists?  Ball hog?  Am I missing the sarcasm here?
 
2021-05-11 12:29:08 PM  

FLMountainMan: ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things

A better argument would be that stats are inflated from the Big O's time period and if adjusted for this inflation, Robertson might have exceeded Westbrook's stats.

I'm not going to bother to make that argument, however, because Westbrook is one of my favorite players to watch.  He plays like he's angry at everyone and he hustles his ass off.  He certainly has his deficiencies, but he's gritty AF and would have been dominant in any era.


I'm a lifelong Wiz fan. Sorry to see Wall go; happy to see Westbrook.  REALLY happy with how Westbrook has been playing. And yes to all of your analysis.
 
2021-05-11 12:44:38 PM  
Oscar Robertson had this record for 47 years, I believe.  Westbrook has three more solid years left in his career.  He will probably add at least another 60 or so triple-double games to his record.

The only current player that's even close to it is LeBron and he has a total of 99 triple-double games. There's no way LeBron will break it, but by the end of both of these players careers, LeBron will be the only player to finish a career with 35K+ points, 10K+ rebounds and 10K+ assists.  Russell won't be able to accomplish this.

The only current player that might have a chance to break Russell's triple-double record is Luka Dončić.  If Luka doesn't break it, then this record will remain with Westbrook for decades, if not, forever.
 
2021-05-11 12:49:15 PM  
Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.
 
2021-05-11 12:55:12 PM  

FLMountainMan: ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things

A better argument would be that stats are inflated from the Big O's time period and if adjusted for this inflation, Robertson might have exceeded Westbrook's stats.


That's a shiatty argument, the stats were inflated back then.  In 1962, teams averaged 126 possessions per game.  Washington is the leader this year at 105.  And even without a 3 point line, back in the early ages of the NBA they sucked at shooting, so there was way more opportunities for a rebound - teams averaged 71 rebounds per game!   Westbrook is getting these triple doubles when there's only 43-44 rebounds for each team every game.

So if you want to adjust for inflation, Westbrook's numbers would look a lot better and Robertsons' would look a lot worse.  What Westbrook has been doing over the last 5 years is insane.
 
2021-05-11 12:59:07 PM  

drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings?


No
 
2021-05-11 1:07:14 PM  

dark brew: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings?

No


No? It was Milwaukee then? Damn, I'm getting senile.
 
2021-05-11 1:32:19 PM  

dark brew: FLMountainMan: ltdanman44: being a ball hog will get you a lot of things

A better argument would be that stats are inflated from the Big O's time period and if adjusted for this inflation, Robertson might have exceeded Westbrook's stats.

That's a shiatty argument, the stats were inflated back then.  In 1962, teams averaged 126 possessions per game.  Washington is the leader this year at 105.  And even without a 3 point line, back in the early ages of the NBA they sucked at shooting, so there was way more opportunities for a rebound - teams averaged 71 rebounds per game!   Westbrook is getting these triple doubles when there's only 43-44 rebounds for each team every game.

So if you want to adjust for inflation, Westbrook's numbers would look a lot better and Robertsons' would look a lot worse.  What Westbrook has been doing over the last 5 years is insane.


Good to know.  Like I said, I wasn't going to bother to look into it because I think Westbrook would have dominated in any area.  And his body type would hold up back then, unlike a player like Durant.
 
2021-05-11 1:40:28 PM  

drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.


No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.
 
2021-05-11 2:08:32 PM  

drewogatory: dark brew: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings?

No

No? It was Milwaukee then? Damn, I'm getting senile.


Milwaukee; and there was some guy they drafted the year before that who averaged 32 points, 16 rebounds, and probably 3-4 blocks if they'd tracked that in '71.

Robertson did what Westbrook hasn't been able to do with any of the three teams he's played for, sacrifice is personal stats for the good of the team. Robertson had 3 triple-doubles in the '70-'71 season when the Bucks won the Championship. He deferred to Alcindor/Abdul-Jabbar because that's what the team needed him to do to win.
 
2021-05-11 2:37:24 PM  
HideAndGoFarkYourself:

Robertson did what Westbrook hasn't been able to do with any of the three teams he's played for, sacrifice is personal stats for the good of the team. Robertson had 3 triple-doubles in the '70-'71 season when the Bucks won the Championship. He deferred to Alcindor/Abdul-Jabbar because that's what the team needed him to do to win.

He only had 3 triple doubles that year because he was on the downside of his career (though the same age Westbrook is right now) so his triple doubles had been declining every year (5 in 1970, 7 in 1969, 8 in 1978), but most importantly he only had 7 games with 10 or more rebounds.  Rebounds per team per game were down to 53 in 1971 so they were a lot harder to come by compared to early in Robertsons' career.  Abdul Jabbar gobbling up the rebounds made it harder for Robertson, no doubt, but this wasn't a case of Robertson being deferential.  He had the second most field goal attempts on the team with the 6th best shooting percentage.
 
2021-05-11 2:38:30 PM  

Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.


Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.
 
2021-05-11 3:49:57 PM  

dark brew: HideAndGoFarkYourself:

Robertson did what Westbrook hasn't been able to do with any of the three teams he's played for, sacrifice is personal stats for the good of the team. Robertson had 3 triple-doubles in the '70-'71 season when the Bucks won the Championship. He deferred to Alcindor/Abdul-Jabbar because that's what the team needed him to do to win.

He only had 3 triple doubles that year because he was on the downside of his career (though the same age Westbrook is right now) so his triple doubles had been declining every year (5 in 1970, 7 in 1969, 8 in 1978), but most importantly he only had 7 games with 10 or more rebounds.  Rebounds per team per game were down to 53 in 1971 so they were a lot harder to come by compared to early in Robertsons' career.  Abdul Jabbar gobbling up the rebounds made it harder for Robertson, no doubt, but this wasn't a case of Robertson being deferential.  He had the second most field goal attempts on the team with the 6th best shooting percentage.


It was absolutely a case of him being deferential and completely changing up how he played to accommodate finally having a teammate he could win with. He didn't have to collapse the rim to rebound, he knew Abdul-Jabbar could and would do it, which is a luxury he didn't have at any other point in his career.

His "downside" was peak PG for about 95% of the PG's to ever play the game. He was playing at an All Star level averaging about 20 points and 10 assists. He just didn't have to do everything to have a chace to win like his first 10 years or so.

Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win. Neither would Harden or Durant when they were together in OKC, which is why they did nothing notable. Harden wouldn't do it in Houston either. So you had two guys looking forward individual stats to pad, who couldn't coexist at all and who failed miserably.

Westbrook is a freak athlete. But there's not a GM in the game who would pick him to build a franchise around.
 
2021-05-11 4:21:43 PM  

Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.


Abdul-Jabbar was 7'2" and the Buck's swept the Bullets to win that series.
 
2021-05-11 4:21:46 PM  

devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.


You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.
 
2021-05-11 4:25:59 PM  

Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.


What the heck? You really doubling down and don't think Robertson got a championship?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/t​eams/MIL/1971.html
 
2021-05-11 4:27:03 PM  

Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.


I mean, the Royals are the Kings, yeah? I was just wrong about where he got his ring.
 
2021-05-11 4:29:51 PM  

devilskware: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.

What the heck? You really doubling down and don't think Robertson got a championship?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/t​eams/MIL/1971.html


Ok, he did, with the ALCINDOR BUCKS, not the Kings, which was the original claim.  He was, in fact, pretty much a bit player.  I watched all four games and don't remember him being any kind of important force, it was the very end of his career.
 
2021-05-11 4:30:17 PM  

drewogatory: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.

I mean, the Royals are the Kings, yeah? I was just wrong about where he got his ring.


No, it wasn't the Royals, it was the Bucks.
 
2021-05-11 4:49:16 PM  

Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.

What the heck? You really doubling down and don't think Robertson got a championship?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/t​eams/MIL/1971.html

Ok, he did, with the ALCINDOR BUCKS, not the Kings, which was the original claim.  He was, in fact, pretty much a bit player.  I watched all four games and don't remember him being any kind of important force, it was the very end of his career.


You typed what I bolded. What does that mean? Can you see why I'm confused about what you're trying to say? .... Because he won.
 
2021-05-11 4:54:04 PM  
Never freaking mind.
 
2021-05-11 4:59:23 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.


If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...
 
2021-05-11 5:08:57 PM  

Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.

What the heck? You really doubling down and don't think Robertson got a championship?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/t​eams/MIL/1971.html

Ok, he did, with the ALCINDOR BUCKS, not the Kings, which was the original claim.  He was, in fact, pretty much a bit player.  I watched all four games and don't remember him being any kind of important force, it was the very end of his career.


You watched all 4 games but thought the Bucks lost. 18/5/9 is not bad for a guy at the end of his career.
oh he also went to the finals in his very last year lost in 7 games. I know it was Kareem doing the heavy lifting but facts are facts.
 
2021-05-11 5:22:03 PM  

devilskware: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.

What the heck? You really doubling down and don't think Robertson got a championship?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/t​eams/MIL/1971.html

Ok, he did, with the ALCINDOR BUCKS, not the Kings, which was the original claim.  He was, in fact, pretty much a bit player.  I watched all four games and don't remember him being any kind of important force, it was the very end of his career.

You watched all 4 games but thought the Bucks lost. 18/5/9 is not bad for a guy at the end of his career.
oh he also went to the finals in his very last year lost in 7 games. I know it was Kareem doing the heavy lifting but facts are facts.


Yeah, that was a long time ago.  But the point was it wasn't the Kings.
 
2021-05-11 5:30:20 PM  

Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: devilskware: Porkbelly: drewogatory: Didn't Robertson win a title with the freaking Kings? Let's see Westbrook do that.

No, he played for the Cin. Royals and the Mil. Bucks - got to the finals only once, with the bucks and the 7'4" guy from UCLA and didn't win.

Not pretty sure they won. A sweep no less.

You need to go back to google and recheck, you are wrong unless you are thinking of a different Oscar Robertson, who never played for the kings.  But tell me the year since you think you know something you don't.

What the heck? You really doubling down and don't think Robertson got a championship?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/t​eams/MIL/1971.html

Ok, he did, with the ALCINDOR BUCKS, not the Kings, which was the original claim.  He was, in fact, pretty much a bit player.  I watched all four games and don't remember him being any kind of important force, it was the very end of his career.


Bit player? What are you even talking about? He averaged 20 points, 9 assists and 6 rebounds across 40 minutes per game shooting 50% from the field for the year.

In the finals he averaged 23.5 points and 9.5 assists per game and played only 4 minutes less than Abdul-Jabbar.

You have no farking idea what you are talking about.
 
2021-05-11 5:31:21 PM  

LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...


Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.
 
2021-05-11 5:46:33 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...

Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.


OK
 
2021-05-11 5:52:20 PM  

LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...

Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.

OK


When did Jordan win? When he stopped being THE team and allowed his teammates to help him. It's not that hard to figure out. Westbrook is a stat stuffer, nothing more. He'll never win a championship.

But you probably know that; you're just being disingenuous.
 
2021-05-11 5:54:17 PM  

devilskware: Never freaking mind.


I even admitted I was wrong in my Weeners, which makes it funnier to me.
 
2021-05-11 5:55:52 PM  

drewogatory: devilskware: Never freaking mind.

I even admitted I was wrong in my Weeners, which makes it funnier to me.


LOL, what kind of damnable FARK autocorrect did that? Lets try Weeners (1st re- sponse) again.
 
2021-05-11 6:03:34 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...

Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.

OK

When did Jordan win? When he stopped being THE team and allowed his teammates to help him. It's not that hard to figure out. Westbrook is a stat stuffer, nothing more. He'll never win a championship.

But you probably know that; you're just being disingenuous.


We are talking about same Beal that scores 10 more points and makes 7 less assists and hold record of most 40+ games in losses? Same Oladipo who credits Westbrook with his improvement. Gordon..
 
2021-05-11 6:27:26 PM  
the 7'4" guy from UCLA

Ok, he did, with the ALCINDOR BUCKS


These responses together make me laugh.
 
2021-05-11 6:50:34 PM  

LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...

Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.

OK

When did Jordan win? When he stopped being THE team and allowed his teammates to help him. It's not that hard to figure out. Westbrook is a stat stuffer, nothing more. He'll never win a championship.

But you probably know that; you're just being disingenuous.

We are talking about same Beal that scores 10 more points and makes 7 less assists and hold record of most 40+ games in losses? Same Oladipo who credits Westbrook with his improvement. Gordon..


Gordon? We talking about Gordon. Not the game
 
2021-05-11 7:37:20 PM  

drewogatory: devilskware: Never freaking mind.

I even admitted I was wrong in my Weeners, which makes it funnier to me.


Nah I agree with you! I was talking to ol porkbelly. and yes, the Rochester/ Cincinnati Royals/ KC Omaha/ Sacramento Kings are the same team. They changed to Kings when they moved to KC because of the Royals baseball team.
 
2021-05-11 8:24:29 PM  
Lol a team with Westbrook and Oladipo as headliners wouldn't stand a chance, no matter how much Westbrook deferred lol.

Westbrook's not winning a championship has nothing to do with "attitude" or "being selfish" and everything to do with not making shots.

Especially post-Durant, lol

/they should've finished off the Warriors in 2016
 
2021-05-11 9:48:37 PM  

IAmRight: Lol a team with Westbrook and Oladipo as headliners wouldn't stand a chance, no matter how much Westbrook deferred lol.

Westbrook's not winning a championship has nothing to do with "attitude" or "being selfish" and everything to do with not making shots.

Especially post-Durant, lol

/they should've finished off the Warriors in 2016


It has a lot to do with being selfish and chasing stats. How many times does Westbrook crash the boards, when he doesn't need to, when a better play would be to stay on the perimeter and be the outlet for a break? It happens 10-15 times per game.

Oladipo turned into an All Star when he finally left OKC.
Gordon was one of the best spot-up shooters in the game but for some reason neither Harden nor Westbrook could get him involved.
Beal scores so much because he is literally their only option who can hit from the outside; Westbrook can't. Westbrook still hurts that team by chasing his own stats and not playing facilitator to one of the best volume scorers in the league.

Westbrook cares about Westbrook, nobody else.
 
2021-05-11 9:55:30 PM  

LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...

Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.

OK

When did Jordan win? When he stopped being THE team and allowed his teammates to help him. It's not that hard to figure out. Westbrook is a stat stuffer, nothing more. He'll never win a championship.

But you probably know that; you're just being disingenuous.

We are talking about same Beal that scores 10 more points and makes 7 less assists and hold record of most 40+ games in losses? Same Oladipo who credits Westbrook with his improvement. Gordon..


Yep, but you stupidly tried to bring up Hachimura to disingenuously claim that Westbrook hasn't played with anyone capable of helping him win. Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, Harden, Durant, Adams, et al haven't been enough to get Westbrook a ring, and he'll never get one. His entire goal is to get as many stats as he can and tossing up brick after brick night in and night out. He'll never be the guy who fashion his game around getting his teammates involved and letting them help him win. It's never been him and never will be.

Just admit that you're his Superfan, it's the only reason you'd be this adamant about defending a stat padding career loser.
 
2021-05-11 10:44:03 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: LewDux: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Westbrook has never been able to do that. He won't sacrifice his game long term to win.

If only he sacrificed his game to Hachimura and Bertans...

Or you know, any of the much better players he's played with in his career and failed to win anything. Like Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, etc.

OK

When did Jordan win? When he stopped being THE team and allowed his teammates to help him. It's not that hard to figure out. Westbrook is a stat stuffer, nothing more. He'll never win a championship.

But you probably know that; you're just being disingenuous.

We are talking about same Beal that scores 10 more points and makes 7 less assists and hold record of most 40+ games in losses? Same Oladipo who credits Westbrook with his improvement. Gordon..

Yep, but you stupidly tried to bring up Hachimura to disingenuously claim that Westbrook hasn't played with anyone capable of helping him win. Gordon, Oladipo, Beal, Harden, Durant, Adams, et al haven't been enough to get Westbrook a ring, and he'll never get one. His entire goal is to get as many stats as he can and tossing up brick after brick night in and night out. He'll never be the guy who fashion his game around getting his teammates involved and letting them help him win. It's never been him and never will be.

Just admit that you're his Superfan, it's the only reason you'd be this adamant about defending a stat padding career loser.


None of those guys save Durant has a ring with anyone else, either, and he joined a historically great team that didn't need him to win titles.
 
2021-05-11 10:52:16 PM  
And again, who the hell is Gordon? Eric Gordon is the third Gordon I think of when I think of NBA Gordons (Aaron, Ben) and you're gonna say that he's a star? But since he's the only one that's played with Westbrook, I'm assuming that's the one you're talking about?

Oladipo, they had one season together where, again, regardless of how well they played, they had a 0% chance of ever winning a title. Adams? FOH.

He's been on Washington for the current season, so...do you think that's a contending team? No, they're not. Would it be if Russ were different? No, they wouldn't.
 
2021-05-11 11:00:42 PM  
I hope Aaron Gordon lives up to the family name and one day becomes a Sixth Man of the Year award winner, just like Ben and Eric.
 
2021-05-11 11:58:56 PM  

IAmRight: And again, who the hell is Gordon? Eric Gordon is the third Gordon I think of when I think of NBA Gordons (Aaron, Ben) and you're gonna say that he's a star? But since he's the only one that's played with Westbrook, I'm assuming that's the one you're talking about?

Oladipo, they had one season together where, again, regardless of how well they played, they had a 0% chance of ever winning a title. Adams? FOH.

He's been on Washington for the current season, so...do you think that's a contending team? No, they're not. Would it be if Russ were different? No, they wouldn't.


Was John Paxon a star? was Joe Dumars a star? Was Byron Scott a star? Was Ron Harper, Horace Grant, Jud Buechler, Steve Kerr a star? No. All Championships are won by teams, not one player putting up video game numbers, like Westbrook.

Did you just start watching sports today?

Westbrook is a star player, no doubt about that. What he has NEVER been able to do is sacrifice HIS personal stats to allow others to help him win. Ever. Not a single time. He'd rather crash the boards to get a rebound than allow his bigs to rebound and make himself available for an outlet and fast break.

Harden is just like that.
Durant is, to an extent is like that too, and won in GS because Steph, Klay and Draymond (who were dominant themselves) were willing to sacrifice their game in many ways for Durant.

Maybe, just maybe, if Westbrook tried to be more of a team guy, and less of a stat stuffing guy, he'd have more success in the post-season.

Listen to Jordan talk about when he finally started to win. It was when Phil Jackson told him that he needed to get his points to help the team win, but that he also needed to trust his teammates and get them involved in games.

Again, Westbrook does not do that. He never has done that. His personality and past behavior suggests he'll never be able to do that.

Oscar Robertson completely changed the way he played the game to accommodate Abdul-Jabbar because that's what he needed to do to win a Championship. It wasn't because he was at the end of his career. He was putting up stats that were all star level stats until his last season. He consciously changed the way he played to win.

Let me know when Westbrook ever does that.
 
2021-05-12 7:02:43 AM  
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