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2021-05-09 7:45:41 PM  
The Republicans are purging all the Secretaries of State and Governors who would. Look for Republicans to win every seat in Republican States in 2022 and for Trump to do the same in 2024. Seriously.
 
2021-05-09 8:56:46 PM  
The role of certifying elections can be taken out of the hands of either local or state partisan officials and given to independent judicial boards, electoral courts and elections commissions

Problem is, there's no such thing. There are no independent, non-partisan boards or commissions.
 
2021-05-09 9:01:30 PM  

anuran: The Republicans are purging all the Secretaries of State and Governors who would. Look for Republicans to win every seat in Republican States in 2022 and for Trump to do the same in 2024. Seriously.


Republicans are going to exceed what the Nazis did.
 
2021-05-09 9:03:07 PM  

physt: anuran: The Republicans are purging all the Secretaries of State and Governors who would. Look for Republicans to win every seat in Republican States in 2022 and for Trump to do the same in 2024. Seriously.

Republicans are going to exceed what the Nazis did.


With pieces of flair?
 
2021-05-09 10:12:52 PM  
What Happens When Republicans Simply Refuse to Certify Democratic Wins?

They'll start dying.  No restaurant will be safe to eat at without food tasters. They'll be scared to leave the house without body doubles. All the money they amass from grift will be useless with a huge target on their back.

That's why the founding fathers on both sides of the aisle valued the peaceful transfer of power. Thousands of years of history proved what happens when that doesn't happen.
 
2021-05-09 10:43:19 PM  
You mean, what will we do in 2022 when the whole system grinds to a halt?
 
2021-05-09 10:54:26 PM  
GOP cheating reminds me of this from The Mighty Ducks:

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"We know we suck so much that we can't win legitimately, so we're going to cheat like this and see if it works."
 
2021-05-09 10:59:16 PM  
If democracy fails then I imagine violence towards those who are undermining democracy isn't far behind.
 
2021-05-09 10:59:53 PM  
"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." ~ David Frum, 18 Jamuary, 2018 ~

He is sounding more prophetic every passing week.

As W's speechwriter, he doesn't get alot of love here, but his solution to the myriad challenges mentioned on the article by absolutely encouraging Democratic lawmakers to go all-in on getting rid of, not just the filibuster, but the Electoral College.

He has seen the changes in conservatives since 2010, and he's quite convinced that it doesn't end well, that it's accelerating -- and that action has to be taken before its too late. He does not see the GOP ship turning around at this point.
 
2021-05-09 11:00:08 PM  
Republicans know they lack the support to win majority support in a fair contest, but believe they have the right to rule nonetheless for reasons that ultimately boil down to white supremacy, religious dominionism and antiquated patriarchal beliefs.
 
2021-05-09 11:00:46 PM  
It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace

Refusing to certify an election because you didn't like the result is an obvious abuse of discretion. So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.
 
2021-05-09 11:02:33 PM  

puffy999: physt: anuran: The Republicans are purging all the Secretaries of State and Governors who would. Look for Republicans to win every seat in Republican States in 2022 and for Trump to do the same in 2024. Seriously.

Republicans are going to exceed what the Nazis did.

With pieces of flair?


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2021-05-09 11:04:15 PM  
These bastards looked at Belarus and said " we can do that here" . And they will try.
 
2021-05-09 11:04:33 PM  

Mr.Insightful: . So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.


Sure yeah but who do you think is in charge of the courts
 
2021-05-09 11:06:16 PM  
The EU and NATO already said what they would do if something like this would happen after the attempted 1/6 insurrection. And it was that the world would move on without the U.S. The dollar would be removed as the default currency and the U.S would be placed under some of the most severe sanctions.
 
2021-05-09 11:06:30 PM  
The reason the truth is important is that lies erode trust.

And at the end of the day, if you want to live in a democracy, trust is the only thing holding it all together.
 
2021-05-09 11:07:41 PM  
What will the institutions of liberal democracy do when Republican officials simply refuse to concede Democratic victories?

That's pretty much the point where we start drawing lines which will define the borders between Sane America and Trumpistan.
 
2021-05-09 11:08:02 PM  

Mr.Insightful: I promise you


Which is worth a certainly non-zero arrangement of pixels.
 
2021-05-09 11:08:13 PM  

Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace

Refusing to certify an election because you didn't like the result is an obvious abuse of discretion. So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.


Having a tool isn't the same as being willing to use that tool.

What happens if a Republican state legislature refuses to certify a Democratic candidate's election victory, and a GOP-appointed state judge or Trump-appointed federal judge chooses not to issue a Writ of Mandamus to force them to certify the election?
 
2021-05-09 11:09:19 PM  

Xetal: If democracy fails then I imagine violence towards those who are undermining democracy isn't far behind.


By who? All of the political violence in the last few decades has come from aggrieved right-wingers. There is no militant left any more; they gave up on that in the 1970s.
 
2021-05-09 11:11:42 PM  

Xetal: If democracy fails then I imagine violence towards those who are undermining democracy isn't far behind.


Violence for sure, though who it targets, which communities it tears through, or when, that will not follow a predictable path.
 
2021-05-09 11:11:56 PM  
If you think 2000 Gore vs. the Shrub and Trump's attempted autogolpe were bad, imagine a hypothetical 2022 GQP congress refusing to certify a hypothetical 2024 Biden-Harris (or Harris-?) election victory. If the GQP's state-level anti-democracy measures fail to install their presidential candidate while they have a congressional majority, they will refuse to certify a presidential vote sooner rather than later, and it will be the undeniable Rubicon moment for American democracy.
 
2021-05-09 11:12:13 PM  

Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace

Refusing to certify an election because you didn't like the result is an obvious abuse of discretion. So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.


I really really hope this is the case.

The GQP fever insanity has to break sooner or later.
 
2021-05-09 11:13:02 PM  

Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace

Refusing to certify an election because you didn't like the result is an obvious abuse of discretion. So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.


A whole lot of mayhem over the last 5 years could have been avoided if people enforced the rules. If the rules are not enforced, then they don't matter.
 
2021-05-09 11:15:35 PM  

koder: What Happens When Republicans Simply Refuse to Certify Democratic Wins?

They'll start dying.  No restaurant will be safe to eat at without food tasters. They'll be scared to leave the house without body doubles. All the money they amass from grift will be useless with a huge target on their back.

That's why the founding fathers on both sides of the aisle valued the peaceful transfer of power. Thousands of years of history proved what happens when that doesn't happen.


Yeah im gonna take the other side of that bet since most americans have been pussified to an extreme.

As long as theres netflix, pornhub, facebook and twitter, liberals wont start assassinating republicans even if they deserve it X10000, even if they turn the country into The Handmaids Tale.

Republicans are the american talibans. FFS, they were a breath away from overthrowing the democratic government on January 6 and the democrats in congress/Biden are still in denial about it.
 
2021-05-09 11:15:44 PM  

anuran: The Republicans are purging all the Secretaries of State and Governors who would. Look for Republicans to win every seat in Republican States in 2022 and for Trump to do the same in 2024. Seriously.


And then the purge of all democrats will begin.  Not just from the voter rolls - from the planet.
 
2021-05-09 11:17:48 PM  

lolmao500: Republicans are the american talibans. FFS, they were a breath away from overthrowing the democratic government on January 6 and the democrats in congress/Biden are still in denial about it.


Hey now - there were some mean tweets, a few strongly worded concerns raised, and even a rushed and half-hearted impeachment. What more do you want?
 
2021-05-09 11:17:54 PM  
I promise to greet the Canadians as liberators of America.
 
2021-05-09 11:19:01 PM  

Mr.Insightful: This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in.


Yeah, see, that's the problem. For thousands of years this crap HAS been going on. Which is why the only nations around whose names are anything close to old have been overrun, destroyed, and rebuilt countless times.
 
2021-05-09 11:19:47 PM  

Shaggy_C: lolmao500: Republicans are the american talibans. FFS, they were a breath away from overthrowing the democratic government on January 6 and the democrats in congress/Biden are still in denial about it.

Hey now - there were some mean tweets, a few strongly worded concerns raised, and even a rushed and half-hearted impeachment. What more do you want?


Some thoughts and/or prayers would be nice.
 
2021-05-09 11:19:53 PM  
We've got less than 2 years to tyrant proof the federal government and check the GQP's autocratic maneuvering. Every week that Machin and Sinema, and everyone who hides behind them, delays the process with posturing bullsh*t, is another chance that this democracy may never get back.
 
2021-05-09 11:20:29 PM  
Guillotines?
 
2021-05-09 11:26:31 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: Guillotines?


Guillotines.
 
2021-05-09 11:28:06 PM  
They're going to steal the 2024 election, that's obvious.  It will also be the end of America.  Fine by me.
 
2021-05-09 11:30:30 PM  

mcnguyen: They're going to steal the 2024 election, that's obvious.  It will also be the end of America.  Fine by me.


You'll miss it.
 
2021-05-09 11:32:05 PM  

Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace

Refusing to certify an election because you didn't like the result is an obvious abuse of discretion. So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.


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2021-05-09 11:33:49 PM  

mcnguyen: They're going to steal the 2024 election, that's obvious.  It will also be the end of America.  Fine by me.


America will soon be facing 3 futures :

- Civil war
- Fall into fascism and America aligning itself with all the other dictatorships on the planet
- Europe will have to come liberate Murica from republicans
 
2021-05-09 11:36:50 PM  

lolmao500: mcnguyen: They're going to steal the 2024 election, that's obvious.  It will also be the end of America.  Fine by me.

America will soon be facing 3 futures :

- Civil war
- Fall into fascism and America aligning itself with all the other dictatorships on the planet
- Europe will have to come liberate Murica from republicans


None of those are mutually exclusive.
 
2021-05-09 11:41:36 PM  

Purple_Urkle: lolmao500: mcnguyen: They're going to steal the 2024 election, that's obvious.  It will also be the end of America.  Fine by me.

America will soon be facing 3 futures :

- Civil war
- Fall into fascism and America aligning itself with all the other dictatorships on the planet
- Europe will have to come liberate Murica from republicans

None of those are mutually exclusive.


Europe wants a large scale war like a cancerous tumor.

We're on our own.
 
2021-05-09 11:41:40 PM  

VoiceOfReason499: The reason the truth is important is that lies erode trust.

And at the end of the day, if you want to live in a democracy, trust is the only thing holding it all together.


Trust holds cities together. You trust that no one will heave a brick through your window. You trust that the traffic will respect the lights. You trust the pizza guy not to murder you when you open the door. Without trust you get the Libertarian paradise of Every Man For Himself.

These assholes are trying to stampede us (and themselves) over a cliff.
 
2021-05-09 11:43:35 PM  

koder: What Happens When Republicans Simply Refuse to Certify Democratic Wins?

They'll start dying.  No restaurant will be safe to eat at without food tasters. They'll be scared to leave the house without body doubles. All the money they amass from grift will be useless with a huge target on their back.

That's why the founding fathers on both sides of the aisle valued the peaceful transfer of power. Thousands of years of history proved what happens when that doesn't happen.


I'm almost 40 and honestly don't expect to see 60 (I lived too hard and too fast. It was an amazing ride, though.) So, say, 10 years to plan and execute. Doable.
 
2021-05-09 11:44:00 PM  
Republicans have been human garbage since Nixon.  What else is new under the sun?
 
2021-05-09 11:44:40 PM  

Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace


You don't think the current Republican nutjob SCOTUS won't tell Democrats "nope, sorry", just like Marshall did to Marbury ?
 
2021-05-09 11:45:39 PM  

Ham Sandvich: Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.

A whole lot of mayhem over the last 5 years could have been avoided if people enforced the rules. If the rules are not enforced, then they don't matter.


Ah, but they have been enforced. The win rate of various Democratic Attorneys General against the Trump Administration has been astoundingly good (79%), even when Trump by the letter of the law had the power he was attempting to exercise. The reason usually was because his people would inevitably try to shortcut the legal process, which gave a procedural reason for the courts to overturn it, that they otherwise would not have.

So people who think that "oh, the Democrat won and I don't like that" is going to fly with the courts, don't know the US courts very well.
 
2021-05-09 11:46:19 PM  

Mr.Insightful: It's called a Writ of Mandamus:

* A writ of mandamus is a court order compelling someone to execute a duty that they are legally obligated to complete.

* A writ of mandamus is also used to order a lower court or government agency to complete a duty to uphold the law or to correct an abuse of discretion.

* An ordinary mandate is used by a court to compel agencies to perform ministerial acts.  Courts may also use it to compel the admission of a person to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the person is entitled, and from which the person is unlawfully precluded. An example of a party attempting this, albeit unsuccessfully, can be observed in Marbury v.Madison, 5 U.S. 137 when William Marbury attempted to have the Supreme Court issue a writ of mandamus to force Thomas Jefferson to install Marbury as a justice of the peace

Refusing to certify an election because you didn't like the result is an obvious abuse of discretion. So yes, the courts have exactly what they need in their toolbox to stop stealing an election by refusing to certify wins. This article is just fear-mongering.

I promise you that as much as anyone wants to think that modern day is coming up with completely unique horrors, this crap has been going on for thousands of years, and already has plenty of antidotes baked in. This is especially true in the US, where our system of government was written by bickering, morally hypocritical, political cynics.


Welcome to the last decade or two of court-stacking by McConnell. A judge hase to issue the writ.
 
2021-05-09 11:46:23 PM  

Befuddled: What will the institutions of liberal democracy do when Republican officials simply refuse to concede Democratic victories?

That's pretty much the point where we start drawing lines which will define the borders between Sane America and Trumpistan.


Western States Pact separates until such time as there's a legitimate government. The Republic of Deseret declares Independence. it goes downhill from there.
 
2021-05-09 11:48:28 PM  

ongbok: The EU and NATO already said what they would do if something like this would happen after the attempted 1/6 insurrection. And it was that the world would move on without the U.S. The dollar would be removed as the default currency and the U.S would be placed under some of the most severe sanctions.


True, but if the GQP wins out.... They will just bomb the shiat out of everyone. Not hyperbole, just a minor exaggeration when I say "everyone".
 
2021-05-09 11:48:51 PM  
Nothing will happen. Republicans will simply refuse to certify Democratic wins, Democrats will act concerned about it and write sternly worded letters. Chuck Schumer will make a heartfelt appeal to Senate Majority Mitch McConnell to pretty please with sugar on top do his job legally, which will be ignored. Nancy Pelosi will clap sarcastically and might even consider maybe possibly putting together a committee to investigate whether or not any Republican House reps should be censured over it.

Centrists on Fark will blame progressives for the death knell of Democracy because they didn't vote hard enough or maybe said something mean on a 20+ year old news aggregator website which caused an entire nation to support fascism. Even though Trump getting 7 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 was the writing on the wall that roughly half of the country is actually pretty okay with sedition so long as Republicans win. Because it isn't about right or wrong, it's about winning and losing. They don't care if they are right or wrong, they simply desire to win at any cost.

Then you have Emperor Manchin and Empress Sinema voting against democracy's own interests because they think Republicans will acknowledge their enlightened moderate stances and won't just accuse them of being the second coming of Karl Marx and refuse to talk to or negotiate with them when Republicans are back in power. Democracy will fall and the only people who will care are the ones who are too chickenshiat to do anything about it. Republicans will dare the entire country to do something about it, and the country will cower because everybody's too busy working 2 or 3 jobs and too damn tired to actually start a revolution.
 
2021-05-09 11:49:36 PM  

RasIanI: "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." ~ David Frum, 18 Jamuary, 2018 ~

He is sounding more prophetic every passing week.

As W's speechwriter, he doesn't get alot of love here, but his solution to the myriad challenges mentioned on the article by absolutely encouraging Democratic lawmakers to go all-in on getting rid of, not just the filibuster, but the Electoral College.

He has seen the changes in conservatives since 2010, and he's quite convinced that it doesn't end well, that it's accelerating -- and that action has to be taken before its too late. He does not see the GOP ship turning around at this point.


It was already too late when hundreds of terrorists and several dozen seditious members of Congress weren't arrested, tried, and executed or imprisoned for life within a month of the January 6th Coup.

It was too late when when everyone who stormed the capital did end up dead or in custody within a couple of hours of that happening.

We are profoundly farked. And it cost Russia less than the price of a single nuke.
 
2021-05-09 11:49:49 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: anuran: The Republicans are purging all the Secretaries of State and Governors who would. Look for Republicans to win every seat in Republican States in 2022 and for Trump to do the same in 2024. Seriously.

And then the purge of all democrats will begin.  Not just from the voter rolls - from the planet.


And I will either become a refugee or a martyr to democracy. There really aren't any other likely options.
 
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