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2021-05-09 7:34:13 PM  
Scrubs 'Hairmet'
Youtube R0rGoWtF-hs
 
2021-05-09 8:25:05 PM  
Should have obeyed the traffic laws.

Bon bon bon. 🎶
Ba-du autobaun 🎶
 
2021-05-09 8:49:22 PM  
Thats Brutal

But enough about the FBI building,
 
2021-05-09 10:55:08 PM  
It's rare when you get a clean shot at an irony tag, but sad is probably more appropriate.
 
2021-05-09 10:58:03 PM  
FTFA:  "...Jahn, 81, was struck Saturday afternoon while riding north on a village street in Campton Hills, about 55 miles (90 kilometres) west of Chicago..."

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2021-05-09 11:07:06 PM  
I would ride a bike, it's good exercise, better for the planet, all that shiat, but  I'd rather stay alive
 
2021-05-09 11:08:37 PM  

moothemagiccow: I would ride a bike, it's good exercise, better for the planet, all that shiat, but  I'd rather stay alive


Go off road.
 
2021-05-09 11:10:22 PM  
Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.
 
2021-05-09 11:11:40 PM  

whatshisname: moothemagiccow: I would ride a bike, it's good exercise, better for the planet, all that shiat, but  I'd rather stay alive

Go off road.


To Amsterdam!

/rip, sounds awful.
 
2021-05-09 11:13:16 PM  
Farking cars.
 
2021-05-09 11:15:12 PM  
"Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection"

Damn; looks like inherent bicyclist douchebaggery overrode his innate German inclination to follow road signs. Then some cars overrode his innate Germanness... Let that be a lesson to you:

Spandex - Not even once.
 
2021-05-09 11:18:17 PM  
Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.
 
2021-05-09 11:18:21 PM  

asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.


I'm suspecting being 81 had something to do with it; diminished reflexes, strength, senses, or several other things could lead to accidentally going through the sign, and from the description of what happened, a helemet wouldn't have helped. That said, a younger person might've survived where he didn't. Im an avid bicyclist myself, but should I live to that age you won't see me doing it in traffic.
 
2021-05-09 11:21:23 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.

I'm suspecting being 81 had something to do with it; diminished reflexes, strength, senses, or several other things could lead to accidentally going through the sign, and from the description of what happened, a helemet wouldn't have helped. That said, a younger person might've survived where he didn't. Im an avid bicyclist myself, but should I live to that age you won't see me doing it in traffic.


So you're saying that it was the comorbidities that really killed him.
 
2021-05-09 11:24:02 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: UndeadPoetsSociety: asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.

I'm suspecting being 81 had something to do with it; diminished reflexes, strength, senses, or several other things could lead to accidentally going through the sign, and from the description of what happened, a helemet wouldn't have helped. That said, a younger person might've survived where he didn't. Im an avid bicyclist myself, but should I live to that age you won't see me doing it in traffic.

So you're saying that it was the comorbidities that really killed him.


Well, no. Having to share infrastructure with motor vehicles is what killed him, but his comorbidities were probably contributing factors.
 
2021-05-09 11:24:17 PM  
This is definitely sad, but I have very little sympathy for him:

"Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection"
 
2021-05-09 11:26:23 PM  

asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.


So he had the law on his side?  Trying to parse your comment.
 
2021-05-09 11:36:59 PM  

Mock26: This is definitely sad, but I have very little sympathy for him:

"Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection"


As a biker, I will be the first to admit that I will do a 'rolling stop' through a 4-way stop if there's no one coming from other directions. Thing is, he was struck by two different cars at the same time. So it had to be a 2-way stop that he blew through, and in order to be hit from both directions at the same time he must not have even been looking for cross traffic. Given how rural it is out there, it was probably 40 or 50 MPH each direction.

I want to be all 'ha ha what a dumbass' but the guy was 81 - probably had no business still riding on a bike.
 
2021-05-09 11:37:27 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.


For the "cost savings" of using single pane curved glass instead of the spec'd double pane glass, they've paid multiple times over in heating/AC costs.  Architects deserve shiat when they specify unobtainium in their designs, but Jahn's other stuff is generally fine - not the architect's fault when the builders decide to cheap out.
 
2021-05-09 11:44:41 PM  
He should have stopped over at Helmut Kohls and picked one up!
 
2021-05-09 11:48:45 PM  
Bummer for the people who were driving the cars that hit him.

Not so much for the idiot who blew through a stop sign.

I hope he learned his lesson as brief as it may have been.
 
2021-05-09 11:49:28 PM  

Priapetic: asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.

So he had the law on his side?  Trying to parse your comment.


Being a good cyclist entails not only following the law but paying attention to what is going on around you because you can't control what other people do.  The laws of physics supersede the laws of man.

He broke the law and got hit.  Even if he had a green light, he should have stopped because it should have been obvious the other car wasn't going to.  As a casual cyclist one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across something not realizing that their little wave doesn't magically stop all other traffic (especially when there are obscured lines of sight).

Be smart.  If there are not stopped cars blocking the cross traffic, don't enter an intersection faster than you can stop because you never know when the other guy will plow on through.  For example, the guy making a right on red will kill you every time when there are cars stopped in the straight lanes blocking his vision as you cross from the other side

/my favorite street to cross has 2 left turn lanes, 2 straight lanes, and a right turn lane
//yea, I get off and walk in the crosswalk
 
2021-05-10 12:02:51 AM  

RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across


I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important
 
2021-05-10 12:09:21 AM  
That kind of sounds like suicide with enough doubt for an insurance payout.
 
2021-05-10 12:48:31 AM  
Was he going at ludicrous speed and didn't bother to buckle up?
 
2021-05-10 1:06:07 AM  

TwowheelinTim: RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across

I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important


And you wonder why people think spandexed bicyclists are all pompous and pretentious
 
2021-05-10 1:29:06 AM  

Watubi: TwowheelinTim: RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across

I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important

And you wonder why people think spandexed bicyclists are all pompous and pretentious


I do. Maybe you can enlighten me?
 
2021-05-10 1:32:10 AM  

Watubi: TwowheelinTim: RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across

I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important

And you wonder why people think spandexed bicyclists are all pompous and pretentious


*looks at profile*

"Silicon Valley" residents know all about being self-entitled, pretentious assholes.
 
2021-05-10 1:47:17 AM  

Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.


Well, really, in the end it wasn't the worst mistake he ever made. That'd be running that stop sign.
 
2021-05-10 1:56:16 AM  

taliesinwi: Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.

For the "cost savings" of using single pane curved glass instead of the spec'd double pane glass, they've paid multiple times over in heating/AC costs.  Architects deserve shiat when they specify unobtainium in their designs, but Jahn's other stuff is generally fine - not the architect's fault when the builders decide to cheap out.


did anyone think to say NO, we will not put in single glazed windows?
anyone smart enough can do the math
yes, might be cheaper to install--but in the long run????
 
2021-05-10 2:20:29 AM  

Watubi: TwowheelinTim: RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across

I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important

And you wonder why people think spandexed bicyclists are all pompous and pretentious


And out of curiosity, what is it about my post that "TRIGGERED" your delicate sensibilities dear Snowflake?
 
2021-05-10 2:26:30 AM  
Let's be Frank. He was probably Lloydering, and didn't look to his Wright.
 
2021-05-10 3:01:58 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Watubi: TwowheelinTim: RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across

I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important

And you wonder why people think spandexed bicyclists are all pompous and pretentious

And out of curiosity, what is it about my post that "TRIGGERED" your delicate sensibilities dear Snowflake?


Just an observation, given that I don't really care about the topic per se:

You've replied to this person several times in succession without waiting for a response and broke out not only a "snowflake" but a "TRIGGERED" as well in what was otherwise a largely innocuous exchange.

Somehow, I don't think it's them that's suffering from a chafed butt. Jus'sayin.
 
2021-05-10 3:56:48 AM  
2 cars. Darwin really had it out for this guy. I do like the irony.
 
2021-05-10 6:22:05 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Let's be Frank. He was probably Lloydering, and didn't look to his Wright.


Architects may come and architects may go
and never change your point of view.
 
2021-05-10 7:36:56 AM  

Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.


It is a spectacularly ugly building...

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2021-05-10 8:02:38 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Watubi: TwowheelinTim: RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across

I ignore them and wait for them to go. I won't even look at them. I'm on a bicycle; I'm not in a hurry like all the cagers are. They invariably move on. It works. every. single. time.

/patience is important

And you wonder why people think spandexed bicyclists are all pompous and pretentious

And out of curiosity, what is it about my post that "TRIGGERED" your delicate sensibilities dear Snowflake?


Are you aware that you replied to the same post three times, two of them in a row?
 
2021-05-10 8:27:21 AM  
Bicyclist make a deal with God if they don't want to obey traffic laws. God sent TWO karma delivery drivers at the same time.
 
2021-05-10 8:40:29 AM  
As I drove through that intersection this morning on the way to work I saw no sign, memorial, or indication of what happened last weekend.

Heck there is a pattern of roadside memorials here for many of lesser note.

In time we are all forgotten.  Dust to dust.
 
2021-05-10 9:19:41 AM  

johndalek: taliesinwi: Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.

For the "cost savings" of using single pane curved glass instead of the spec'd double pane glass, they've paid multiple times over in heating/AC costs.  Architects deserve shiat when they specify unobtainium in their designs, but Jahn's other stuff is generally fine - not the architect's fault when the builders decide to cheap out.

did anyone think to say NO, we will not put in single glazed windows?
anyone smart enough can do the math
yes, might be cheaper to install--but in the long run????


That's the point I was making.

Chicago:  Heyyyy, those double-pane curved windows in your design are more than we're willing/able to spend.  How about flat double pane windows?
Jahn:  Flat windows completely kills the point of my design.
Chicago:  Single paned curved windows it is.  We should be fine!

It was something like a $170 million dollar project.  I can't imagine the proper glass would have appreciably moved the needle on that.

Most of the building's problems is they didn't maintain it from the start.  At least two years ago when you went in there, it's the original carpeting, fixtures, EVERYTHING from 30+ years ago.  The columns out front used to have granite on them, but you have to caulk the seams occasionally or they fall apart.  They didn't even do THAT and now those columns are just painted.
 
2021-05-10 9:27:49 AM  
johndalek:did anyone think to say NO, we will not put in single glazed windows?
anyone smart enough can do the math
yes, might be cheaper to install--but in the long run????


Having been in the commercial high rise construction business - YES.  ALL THE D*MN TIME!  But the one way to insure that you never get on a bid list with that architecture firm ever again is to mention any of the flaws in their design to the owner.  So to stay in business you need to bite your tongue.

I don't think I've ever seen one job that didn't have at least one stupid, costly, useless feature that was thrown in because the architect thought it "looked nice."  Most times they knew nothing about the feature/item, they just saw it in Sweet's or in a design magazine and liked how it looked.

Want it done right?  Get an engineer to do the basic design and layout.  Restrict the architect to picking paint colors and carpet.  It may not be as pretty but will be cheaper to build and maintain and give you far fewer problems.
 
2021-05-10 9:33:08 AM  

asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.


Given that he got hit by two cars from opposite directions I also strongly suspect there's something very wrong with the design of that intersection.
 
2021-05-10 9:34:09 AM  

Shaggy_C: As a biker, I will be the first to admit that I will do a 'rolling stop' through a 4-way stop if there's no one coming from other directions. Thing is, he was struck by two different cars at the same time. So it had to be a 2-way stop that he blew through, and in order to be hit from both directions at the same time he must not have even been looking for cross traffic. Given how rural it is out there, it was probably 40 or 50 MPH each direction.


Or it was a 4 way stop and everyone blew it.
 
2021-05-10 9:36:44 AM  

RogermcAllen: As a casual cyclist one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across something not realizing that their little wave doesn't magically stop all other traffic (especially when there are obscured lines of sight).


I taunt them.  "What, are you turning?  Put on your blinker!  C'mon buddy, you got the right of way right now and the world is waiting on you to move!"
 
2021-05-10 9:55:00 AM  

Baloo Uriza: asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.

Given that he got hit by two cars from opposite directions I also strongly suspect there's something very wrong with the design of that intersection.


It was a standard T in a somewhat rural area.  From what I gather from the news, he blew this stop sign:
https://goo.gl/maps/g2eaor26ayEXi9En7​

Anyone actually stopping at the stop sign would have seen the cars and should not have proceded into the intersection.  This is where I got the location:
https://news.yahoo.com/famed-architec​t​-helmut-jahn-struck-230200231.html
 
2021-05-10 9:57:33 AM  

Tailspin Tommy: Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.

It is a spectacularly ugly building...

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I've hated it since the very first time I saw it. Who the hell approved the cartoonish colors of the lower level? I do like a lot of his other work though. Side note: A guy who was a childhood friend of my wife, was killed on a bike, a couple of weeks ago in the western suburbs. He was a surgeon, so obviously, a pretty smart guy. When she told me he was hit while riding in the Oak Park area, I said I didn't think that biking in such a congested place was a very smart idea. No bikes for me, motor or pedal.
 
2021-05-10 10:07:44 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Bummer for the people who were driving the cars that hit him.


No kidding. Claims go on their insurance because it's entirely unreasonable to require cyclists to be insured for accidents they cause.
 
2021-05-10 10:12:41 AM  

RogermcAllen: one of the most dangerous things for me is when people try to wave me across


This happens a lot when driving cars, and I won't do it. You can never yield the right of way and it's a terrible idea to allow someone to try to do it. If you go and they then cause an accident somehow, you're still at fault because they had the right of way.
 
2021-05-10 10:24:28 AM  

Tailspin Tommy: Moniker o' Shame: Also designed the James R. Thompson Center in Chicago. That is currently for sale by the State of Illinois because it is incredibly inefficient and has a very high maintenance cost.  His post-modern "masterpiece" will be razed if people decide to move back to Chicago.

It is a spectacularly ugly building...

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That's not ugly. THIS is ugly.

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2021-05-10 10:46:26 AM  

RogermcAllen: Baloo Uriza: asymptonic: Jahn failed to stop at a stop sign at an intersection and was struck by the two vehicles


I'm sure this guy was amazing for architecture, but as a guy who bikes as much as I can, I recognize that I'm smaller than cars and have to pay more attention to avoid being squished even if and when I have the law on my side.

Given that he got hit by two cars from opposite directions I also strongly suspect there's something very wrong with the design of that intersection.

It was a standard T in a somewhat rural area.  From what I gather from the news, he blew this stop sign:
https://goo.gl/maps/g2eaor26ayEXi9En7

Anyone actually stopping at the stop sign would have seen the cars and should not have proceded into the intersection.  This is where I got the location:
https://news.yahoo.com/famed-architect​-helmut-jahn-struck-230200231.html


It looks like it's entirely possible to stop at that sign, proceed when clear and then still get caught out in the middle anyway.  A good intersection for such a location for a blind corner of moderate speed like that would be to narrow up the lanes and maybe add some markers to make it look like you're going faster than you are.  Make it uncomfortable to approach that intersection at speed, and move the stop line closer to cross traffic.
 
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