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2021-05-09 1:30:23 PM  
Turkeys are good hikers. Before the invention of trucks, drovers (turkey drivers) would drive the turkeys to market. This was done with sheep, cattle, geese and other livestock as well. A turkey drive was slow (and blocked the roads on its path) but could travel a surprising distance in several weeks, with the turkeys needing some fattening up in pens when they arrived.

Or am I just making things up? You never know with me. I have some pretty weird historical knowledge but also a good imagination. You'll have to do a web search.
 
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2021-05-09 1:41:57 PM  
This is scary because that trail is extremely popular, on an average weekend there might be over 100 cars parked.
 
2021-05-09 2:01:12 PM  
For people outside the region, this is an exurb of St Louis. It's basically suburbia.

So, sure, we put amateur hunters and hikers in the same area because why not? It's Missouri.

Only libby pu$$ies hike during hunting season so they were asking for it.
 
2021-05-09 2:45:08 PM  
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2021-05-09 3:24:32 PM  
Accident perhaps. Preventable definitely.
 
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2021-05-09 3:45:40 PM  
 
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2021-05-09 4:00:32 PM  
I mountain bike the Lost Valley trail inside that area all the time and they do put up signs during hunting season that there will be hunting going on, the Busch Wildlife area north highway 94 also has hunting and it's a great place for gravel riding. Immediately north of interstate 64 is wall to wall suburbia.
 
2021-05-09 4:55:57 PM  
Aim
Fire
Verify kill
Verify target
 
2021-05-09 4:57:23 PM  
He ignored one of the basic rules of firearm safety.  "Be aware of your target and what lies beyond."  Clearly he shot blindly, the opposite of being aware.  Fortunately, the victim wasn't killed.  At the very least, the hunter needs to have his license revoked and be banned from hunting for a number of years, plus he needs to take a f*cking beginner safety class.  Then, maybe he might get his hunting license back.  Maybe.
 
2021-05-09 4:57:25 PM  
How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?
 
2021-05-09 4:59:10 PM  

edmo: Accident perhaps. Preventable definitely.


That wasn't an accident.  That was a blatant disregard for the basics of firearm safety.
 
2021-05-09 4:59:37 PM  

abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?


You obviously haven't seen me in my favorite boa.
 
2021-05-09 5:00:26 PM  
There's never any excuse for a hunter to shoot anything, anything besides their intended game. In most cases, as in hunting turkeys, the sex of the animal must be ascertained to even determine if it's legal.

There should be a special criminal statute for this very offense with penalties somewhere above manslaughter.
 
2021-05-09 5:00:35 PM  

abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?


All cats gobblers are grey in the dark?
 
2021-05-09 5:02:30 PM  

Jeff5: the sex of the animal must be ascertained to even determine if it's legal.


Are you assuming the turkey's gender!?   You are a horrible person.

In all seriousness, I didn't know about the gender limits on turkey hunting.  It's not something I do.  That makes the shooting even worse than I originally believed.
 
2021-05-09 5:03:02 PM  

abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?


By shooting at noise or movement. It's a shame it was a hiker instead of another hunter who could return fire.
 
2021-05-09 5:03:56 PM  

zez: This is scary because that trail is extremely popular, on an average weekend there might be over 100 cars parked.


Are the cars ok?
 
2021-05-09 5:04:47 PM  
Looks like someone strutted their way...

(puts on sunglasses)

...to murder.


GOBBLE!!
 
2021-05-09 5:06:17 PM  
I've heard they can trot.
 
2021-05-09 5:07:57 PM  

OgreMagi: Jeff5: the sex of the animal must be ascertained to even determine if it's legal.

Are you assuming the turkey's gender!?   You are a horrible person.

In all seriousness, I didn't know about the gender limits on turkey hunting.  It's not something I do.  That makes the shooting even worse than I originally believed.


Some States allow the taking of any "bearded" turkey, one that has a predominately-male tuft of long feathers on the neck, but which a small percentage of hens grow as well, making confusion possible, a few that have large turkey populations allow the taking of some hens in the Fall season, but I don't think any allow hens to be shot during Spring season because they have young.
 
2021-05-09 5:13:34 PM  

abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?


Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.
 
2021-05-09 5:14:18 PM  
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2021-05-09 5:16:15 PM  
2021 American gun deaths:

357 men
216 women
184 children
1 turkeyman

(I have no idea what the actual numbers are, particularly concerning the turkeyman since we don't know his status)
 
2021-05-09 5:18:04 PM  
I obviously do not know the specifics of this place, but it sounds like the location does not have enough signs and/or signs in the right places or someone ignored the signs. I have been to a few places over the years that are dual purpose hunting/hiking and during hunting season you have to really go out of your way to ignore the warning signs that are put up for hikers.

And with that being said, "f*ck that hunter". If you cannot tell the difference between a turkey and a human you have no business hunting, and if you cannot tell the difference between a turkey and a human because they are too far away you have no business taking a shot. And if you shot at a turkey without first determining that the area behind the turkey was safe then you have no business hunting. Even if the hiker ignored warning signs and went into an area where there were hunters the hunter really needs to take the blame on this one, because unless that hiker was wearing a turkey costume it is pretty damned clear that the hunter could not tell the difference between a turkey and a human or took an unsafe shot.
 
2021-05-09 5:24:19 PM  
His Thanksgiving is going to be difficult this year.
 
2021-05-09 5:25:32 PM  

Whack-a-Mole: zez: This is scary because that trail is extremely popular, on an average weekend there might be over 100 cars parked.

Are the cars ok?


One was left abandoned in the parking lot that night.
 
2021-05-09 5:26:05 PM  

middleoftheday: 2021 American gun deaths:

357 men
216 women
184 children
1 turkeyman

(I have no idea what the actual numbers are, particularly concerning the turkeyman since we don't know his status)


I believe the proper nomenclature is " man-turkey".
 
2021-05-09 5:31:51 PM  
Two game wardens, seven hikers, and a cow?
 
2021-05-09 5:32:05 PM  

Bertuccio: Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.


They do around here.  But no one is shooting at them.  The damn things are annoying and aggressive (especially in the spring mating season).  The turkey population exploded after the county killed off the local coyote population.
 
2021-05-09 5:33:57 PM  

ComaToast: His Thanksgiving is going to be difficult this year.


"Meat's back on the menu, boys!"
 
2021-05-09 5:44:33 PM  
He failed to follow one of the core tenets of hunting. Namely "You shoot it, you eat it." No exceptions. And you gut and dress it yourself. Of that hiker dies, the hunter damn well better eat the whole thing before he is ever allowed to hunt again.
 
2021-05-09 5:55:47 PM  

MythDragon: He failed to follow one of the core tenets of hunting. Namely "You shoot it, you eat it." No exceptions. And you gut and dress it yourself. Of that hiker dies, the hunter damn well better eat the whole thing before he is ever allowed to hunt again.


He screwed up one much earlier in the process, the one about knowing what you're shooting before you shoot.

I have been hunting since I was 8 (by myself, I had adult supervision before that), which wasn't yesterday lately, and have never, not once, aimed a loaded gun at any animal I hadn't already identified as a legit target. I don't use the scope on a loaded rifle as an alternative to binoculars and I don't track an animal with crosshairs while waiting to see what it is.

I KNOW what it is before I aim.

I also don't attempt any shot I merely think I can make.
 
2021-05-09 5:58:47 PM  

Bertuccio: abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?

Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.


You semmingly have never been to Kentucky or Northern California then , because I have seen them in bunches really close to roads. They did not move when I pulled over to observe them from about 15 meters , or walk out the door of my mums place.
 
2021-05-09 6:08:40 PM  

alienated: Bertuccio: abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?

Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.

You semmingly have never been to Kentucky or Northern California then , because I have seen them in bunches really close to roads. They did not move when I pulled over to observe them from about 15 meters , or walk out the door of my mums place.


In California we don't hunt them, so they've got our backs. This happened in the Bay Area in 2019:

Aggressive turkey stops cop from giving driver speeding ticket
Youtube _D5GaeeLWEk
 
2021-05-09 6:11:31 PM  

alienated: Bertuccio: abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?

Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.

You semmingly have never been to Kentucky or Northern California then , because I have seen them in bunches really close to roads. They did not move when I pulled over to observe them from about 15 meters , or walk out the door of my mums place.


Turkeys aren't actually the same animal they were when I was growing up. In the late 60s/ early 70s there was nothing in the Tennessee woods as wary and smart as a wild tom turkey, considerably harder to get within range of than deer or bear. Partially that was because you had to get closer, since you had to hunt with a shotgun with a range of 30 yards or so, but mainly because they were smart and their eyesight is much better, and were the only thing in the woods that could recognize a motionless human. BUT, fish and game departments started a hard push in the 70s to increase turkey numbers by breeding them and chose fertility over intelligence, breeding stupid birds that laid lots of eggs and releasing them.
 
2021-05-09 6:11:51 PM  

edmo: Accident perhaps. Preventable definitely.


Newspapers need to start using "negligently" instead of "accidentally" in all of these stories.
 
2021-05-09 6:13:18 PM  

OgreMagi: He ignored one of the basic rules of firearm safety.  "Be aware of your target and what lies beyond."  Clearly he shot blindly, the opposite of being aware.  Fortunately, the victim wasn't killed.  At the very least, the hunter needs to have his license revoked and be banned from hunting for a number of years, plus he needs to take a f*cking beginner safety class.  Then, maybe he might get his hunting license back.  Maybe.


No.  He needs to be prosecuted for reckless endangerment, all his firearms seized and banned from ever touching a firearm again in his life.  I'd be willing to concede, so long as the hiker survives, that his time could be converted to 1000 hours of community service giving talks on gun safety.  He also needs to be sued by his victim for any lasting damage as well as pain and suffering.  Probably should be made to pay for the emergency response as well.
 
2021-05-09 6:15:00 PM  
*Caveat to the comment I made above.  If it turns out the hiker was wearing a turkey suit I rescind the above.
 
2021-05-09 6:15:53 PM  

Mock26: I obviously do not know the specifics of this place, but it sounds like the location does not have enough signs and/or signs in the right places or someone ignored the signs. I have been to a few places over the years that are dual purpose hunting/hiking and during hunting season you have to really go out of your way to ignore the warning signs that are put up for hikers.

And with that being said, "f*ck that hunter". If you cannot tell the difference between a turkey and a human you have no business hunting, and if you cannot tell the difference between a turkey and a human because they are too far away you have no business taking a shot. And if you shot at a turkey without first determining that the area behind the turkey was safe then you have no business hunting. Even if the hiker ignored warning signs and went into an area where there were hunters the hunter really needs to take the blame on this one, because unless that hiker was wearing a turkey costume it is pretty damned clear that the hunter could not tell the difference between a turkey and a human or took an unsafe shot.


In all honesty, some of my co-workers are real turkeys, soooo.... I know it's not right, but I understand!
 
2021-05-09 6:15:57 PM  
cyberspacedout: In California we don't hunt them, so they've got our backs. This happened in the Bay Area in 2019:

Yes we do
https://wildlife.ca.gov/Keep-Me-Wild/​W​ild-Turkey

Do your part !

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2021-05-09 6:42:46 PM  

cyberspacedout: alienated: Bertuccio: abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?

Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.

You semmingly have never been to Kentucky or Northern California then , because I have seen them in bunches really close to roads. They did not move when I pulled over to observe them from about 15 meters , or walk out the door of my mums place.

In California we don't hunt them, so they've got our backs. This happened in the Bay Area in 2019:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_D5GaeeL​WEk]


Hunted turkey last weekend in California (and didn't shoot any hikers).
Every state I have ever hunted in has rules about minimum distance from roads, trails, dwellings along with having a safe backstop for your bullet. Seems like this hunter broke all those rules.
 
2021-05-09 6:43:05 PM  
I hike out that way and want to agree with previous posts from other locals. That is an extremely busy trail on the weekends. So busy I avoid it most of the time and head for the Lost Valley Trail.

Also, this was a MDC managed hunt. For a lot of managed hunts in busy areas the MDC requires that hunters attend an orientation session before being allowed to hunt. That was not the case for this one.
 
2021-05-09 6:46:32 PM  

HoratioGates: OgreMagi: He ignored one of the basic rules of firearm safety.  "Be aware of your target and what lies beyond."  Clearly he shot blindly, the opposite of being aware.  Fortunately, the victim wasn't killed.  At the very least, the hunter needs to have his license revoked and be banned from hunting for a number of years, plus he needs to take a f*cking beginner safety class.  Then, maybe he might get his hunting license back.  Maybe.

No.  He needs to be prosecuted for reckless endangerment, all his firearms seized and banned from ever touching a firearm again in his life.  I'd be willing to concede, so long as the hiker survives, that his time could be converted to 1000 hours of community service giving talks on gun safety.  He also needs to be sued by his victim for any lasting damage as well as pain and suffering.  Probably should be made to pay for the emergency response as well.


I did say "at the very least".  Prosecution for reckless endangerment would be reasonable.  If the victim were to die, manslaughter.  When people are permanently banned from driving a car for a similar level of stupid, I'll go along with lifelong loss of firearm rights.  Gun ownership is a right, driving is a privilege.  It's a much higher standard to permanently revoke a right.
 
2021-05-09 6:47:05 PM  

Jeff5: alienated: Bertuccio: abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?

Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.

You semmingly have never been to Kentucky or Northern California then , because I have seen them in bunches really close to roads. They did not move when I pulled over to observe them from about 15 meters , or walk out the door of my mums place.

Turkeys aren't actually the same animal they were when I was growing up. In the late 60s/ early 70s there was nothing in the Tennessee woods as wary and smart as a wild tom turkey, considerably harder to get within range of than deer or bear. Partially that was because you had to get closer, since you had to hunt with a shotgun with a range of 30 yards or so, but mainly because they were smart and their eyesight is much better, and were the only thing in the woods that could recognize a motionless human. BUT, fish and game departments started a hard push in the 70s to increase turkey numbers by breeding them and chose fertility over intelligence, breeding stupid birds that laid lots of eggs and releasing them.


Turkeys were over hunted sometime in the 20th century (not sure about Tennessee) so moratoriums on hunting to repopulate their numbers were hatched.
 
2021-05-09 6:53:12 PM  
"Oh, dear GOD I'm so bored. I've been here for two days and haven't even SEEN a turkey, let alone bag one. All I see are these stupid hikers all over the place. Hmm..."
 
2021-05-09 7:10:48 PM  

Masta Beta: cyberspacedout: alienated: Bertuccio: abhorrent1: How the dark do you mistake a person for a turkey?

Turkey's are pretty cautious and don't hang out in open areas where they're easy to shoot.

Turkey hunters know this but aren't always that bright and will shoot and anything they think is an turkey even if it's not visible or partially visible. Turkeys are big and brightly colored in places hunters fool themselves into thinking lots of not turkeys really are.

You semmingly have never been to Kentucky or Northern California then , because I have seen them in bunches really close to roads. They did not move when I pulled over to observe them from about 15 meters , or walk out the door of my mums place.

In California we don't hunt them, so they've got our backs. This happened in the Bay Area in 2019:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_D5GaeeL​WEk]

Hunted turkey last weekend in California (and didn't shoot any hikers).
Every state I have ever hunted in has rules about minimum distance from roads, trails, dwellings along with having a safe backstop for your bullet. Seems like this hunter broke all those rules.


Guess I should've googled it first. We city folk tend to forget about all that open land way up north. I would guess they've got more than a few hunters who think there's nobody around to catch them breaking rules.
 
2021-05-09 7:11:24 PM  

indy_kid: edmo: Accident perhaps. Preventable definitely.

Newspapers need to start using "negligently" instead of "accidentally" in all of these stories.


Newspapers are losing enough money already without having to deal with libel suits. (Remember, folks, not everyone who is arrested/accused of a crime is guilty. It's why we have a Bill of Rights.)
 
2021-05-09 7:51:54 PM  
I'm guessing the tag should be "shotgun", not "rifle"
 
2021-05-09 7:52:28 PM  
I hope the hunter, at the least, put his turkey tag on the guy he shot.
 
2021-05-09 8:05:45 PM  

OgreMagi: I did say "at the very least".  Prosecution for reckless endangerment would be reasonable.  If the victim were to die, manslaughter.  When people are permanently banned from driving a car for a similar level of stupid, I'll go along with lifelong loss of firearm rights.  Gun ownership is a right, driving is a privilege.  It's a much higher standard to permanently revoke a right.


The current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment as a person right to have a gun is a ridiculous misreading of the text and context and a complete aberration, historically speaking.  Driving is, in modern society, much more important than the right to have a gun, and for the amount of time we do it compared to using guns a much safer activity, but, that said, in practice if you severely injure someone while driving and it's your fault you will face prosecution and a lawsuit.  You also have to carry insurance and register car, which should be requirements for gun owners as well. 

My feeling is that if you, through negligence, injure someone else with a firearm that should be it for you and firearms.  No gun for you.
 
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