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2021-05-09 12:58:59 PM  
I have some good news and bad news.

Good news: Time travel exists.
Bad news: Future travel only, at the rate of about one 1 sec/sec.

I love Sci-Fi,  but I know the Fi part means fiction.
 
2021-05-09 2:04:39 PM  
The Sun will have been there, subby.
 
2021-05-09 2:30:52 PM  
That explains why their reporter shows up every time I go back to do small errands.
 
2021-05-09 2:51:03 PM  
I've been time traveling since birth
 
2021-05-09 3:03:01 PM  
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2021-05-09 3:44:24 PM  
The temporal ban on killing Hitler being one such obvious example.
 
2021-05-09 3:45:40 PM  

Joe USer: I have some good news and bad news.

Good news: Time travel exists.
Bad news: Future travel only, at the rate of about one 1 sec/sec.


What if you're moving really fast?
 
2021-05-09 3:55:55 PM  
"The greatest proof that time travel isn't possible is that no future selves have yelled at me to stop messing the heck up."  ~  T-Rex, Dinosaur Comics
 
2021-05-09 3:56:34 PM  
I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?
 
2021-05-09 3:56:48 PM  

Ishkur: Joe USer: I have some good news and bad news.

Good news: Time travel exists.
Bad news: Future travel only, at the rate of about one 1 sec/sec.

What if you're moving really fast?


Came to post this.

But what if it's everyone else moving really fast?
 
2021-05-09 4:01:51 PM  

sorceror: The Sun will have been there, subby.


will has been there
 
2021-05-09 4:03:53 PM  

Ishkur: The temporal ban on killing Hitler being one such obvious example.


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There's no ban on it, the Professor just missed on the second lap, remember?
 
2021-05-09 4:05:14 PM  

scanman61: sorceror: The Sun will have been there, subby.

will has been there


The Sun wioll haven be there.
 
2021-05-09 4:05:59 PM  

blastoh: [Fark user image 425×319]

They wouldn't be skeletons. Corpses wouldn't decompose in space. No worms, and the bacteria would die quickly in vacuum also. They'd be horribly bloated, deformed corpses.
 
2021-05-09 4:06:01 PM  

kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?


It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.
 
2021-05-09 4:10:36 PM  
leeksfromchichis:

So it's opposite us, exactly, all the time? Also I love Vallejos art. Those are some sexay ladies on Gor. How do we get over there?
 
2021-05-09 4:12:23 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Ishkur: The temporal ban on killing Hitler being one such obvious example.

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There's no ban on it, the Professor just missed on the second lap, remember?

That episode basically made the whole series up until then, and the rest of the series after that, two different universes. The Leela and others we'd known since the first episodes were dead for over two trillion years.

Farnsworth's action there, and his subsequent leaning on the control causing them to shoot past the "present" and have to loop back around to the next interation, set up an alternating pattern of universes. In the odd-numbered ones, Hitler isn't shot by a mysterious beam weapon while giving a speech. That one is the world we know which leads to the Futurama time. In the even-numbered ones, the Farnsworth of the previous odd-numbered universe shoots Hitler and alters subsequent history so drastically that it's extremely unlikely for any of the human or human-made robot characters to exist (aliens would be unaffected until they would've encountered humanity). Had the Prof. not tripped on the throttle at the moment they were about to stop at their "present" (I suspect he realized this and did that on purpose), they would've wound up in an unrecognizable timeline with nobody they know existing.

It also makes the series finale very much not work. Fry and Leela can't go back and do it all over again, because it was a different Leela.
 
2021-05-09 4:13:44 PM  

leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.

kozlo: So it's opposite us, exactly, all the time? Also I love Vallejos art. Those are some sexay ladies on Gor. How do we get over there?

Marvel calls it "Counter-Earth."
 
2021-05-09 4:13:46 PM  

kozlo: leeksfromchichis:

So it's opposite us, exactly, all the time? Also I love Vallejos art. Those are some sexay ladies on Gor. How do we get over there?


Apparently, you have to be the dorky college buddy of a tarnsman... at least according to that MST3K movie.
 
2021-05-09 4:14:07 PM  
leeksfromchichis:

Oh wow. The deeper I dive, the more that author is wayyyy into bondage and sex slaves.

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2021-05-09 4:16:23 PM  
COMALite J:

The Futurama writing room had five PhDs and a total of fifty combined years at harvard.  Their science fiction was legit. Just roll with it.
 
2021-05-09 4:17:39 PM  
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I want this guy to make a tickety tockety channel
 
2021-05-09 4:21:07 PM  

kozlo: leeksfromchichis:

Oh wow. The deeper I dive, the more that author is wayyyy into bondage and sex slaves.

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Yeah. It founded a subculture.

I recommend this movie instead

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2021-05-09 4:28:19 PM  
The Sun is a star, I suppose.
 
2021-05-09 4:35:20 PM  

Professor Science: scanman61: sorceror: The Sun will have been there, subby.

will has been there

The Sun wioll haven be there.


The Sun already was have been going to be there.
 
2021-05-09 4:40:46 PM  

blastoh: [Fark user image 425x319]


That's what TARDIS's are for
 
2021-05-09 4:41:50 PM  

kozlo: [Fark user image 392x121]

I want this guy to make a tickety tockety channel


I cant find the Obama version of this, but it's better.
 
2021-05-09 4:44:02 PM  

kozlo: leeksfromchichis:

Oh wow. The deeper I dive, the more that author is wayyyy into bondage and sex slaves.

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I once read about someone meeting the author and his wife at a convention. He said it was very clear who wore the pants in that marriage ;-)
 
2021-05-09 4:46:15 PM  

COMALite J: blastoh: [Fark user image 425×319]
They wouldn't be skeletons. Corpses wouldn't decompose in space. No worms, and the bacteria would die quickly in vacuum also. They'd be horribly bloated, deformed corpses.


I would like to apologise for not posting a picture of an actual dead body in space.

My bad.
 
2021-05-09 4:47:47 PM  
batlock666:

Yeah, his statements on dominance in human society reeeaaaallllly hint at what happens in THAT house. Maybe not anymore but back in the day, woof.
 
2021-05-09 4:50:57 PM  

leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.


Unfortunately we now have orbiting cameras which would have seen any such planet. There's nothing there.

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions​/​stereo/in-depth/
 
2021-05-09 4:52:18 PM  

blastoh: COMALite J: blastoh: [Fark user image 425×319]
They wouldn't be skeletons. Corpses wouldn't decompose in space. No worms, and the bacteria would die quickly in vacuum also. They'd be horribly bloated, deformed corpses.

I would like to apologise for not posting a picture of an actual dead body in space.

My bad.


Wouldn't one's body implode or explode if they were suddenly in outer space without a protective suit?
 
2021-05-09 4:56:48 PM  

CFitzsimmons: blastoh: COMALite J: blastoh: [Fark user image 425×319]
They wouldn't be skeletons. Corpses wouldn't decompose in space. No worms, and the bacteria would die quickly in vacuum also. They'd be horribly bloated, deformed corpses.

I would like to apologise for not posting a picture of an actual dead body in space.

My bad.

Wouldn't one's body implode or explode if they were suddenly in outer space without a protective suit?


You do the experiment son. Get back to us with the results.
 
2021-05-09 4:58:30 PM  

CFitzsimmons: blastoh: COMALite J: blastoh: [Fark user image 425×319]
They wouldn't be skeletons. Corpses wouldn't decompose in space. No worms, and the bacteria would die quickly in vacuum also. They'd be horribly bloated, deformed corpses.

I would like to apologise for not posting a picture of an actual dead body in space.

My bad.

Wouldn't one's body implode or explode if they were suddenly in outer space without a protective suit?


No, but your blood would boil and all that. The human body is pretty resilient. As above, the result would not be pretty, but you wouldn't "explode."
 
2021-05-09 5:11:26 PM  
Thunderboy:

I don't like the term "boil" for blood in space. Never have. Without standard temp and pressure it would just disassociate into gas right? Boiling implies heat is being added to raise temperature to get to a gaseous state, and in space is a complete lack of pressure, thus going to the bottom of the chart.

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2021-05-09 5:20:55 PM  

Ivo Shandor: leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.

Unfortunately we now have orbiting cameras which would have seen any such planet. There's nothing there.

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/​stereo/in-depth/


Because technology from a spacefaring race  that can teleport a horny 70's dude instantly 2 AU with enough pinpoint accuracy that he doesn't even explode on arrival and the equipment to keep a whole planet playing a weird bsdm larp with live swords by incinerating dissidents on the spot at the moment of transgression who've kept their secrets for all of history on two planets makes perfect sense, but a nasa camera is gonna slip their net?

I actually don't remember. I only got like three or four books in before... meh. but if nothing else I bed they'd just wine, dine, and threaten astrologists
 
2021-05-09 5:22:23 PM  
There is a vast difference between Tik Tok and Project Tic Toc...

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2021-05-09 5:25:15 PM  
If time travel was possible, don't you think at least one of them would have spiked Mary Ann Trump's cocktail with Mifepristone in 1945 by now?
 
2021-05-09 5:25:59 PM  
And if anyone wants to read a time travel story that farking WORKS, try this:

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If you want to see a time travel story where the science is treated rigorously and as realistically as possible (given the subject matter), read 'Thrice Upon a Time' by James P. Hogan.

The physicists postulated a way to propagate information through time - both forward and backward.  Information only, no sending objects.  Experimental apparatus seemed to show that the theory works.  Can't send a message back in time to any point before the first 'receiver' went online.  How far forward/back you can send a message is limited by power and the sensitivity of the receiver.

Much of the book revolves around the scientists trying to a) gather experimental data, b) work out a theoretical model to fit their data and try to construct a coherent picture of how the universe works, incorporating their model, and c) do this rigorously, repeatably, and safely.  You know, the way science is really supposed to work.

Questions of free will and predestination, serial versus parallel universes, the 'many worlds' theories, etc., are raised and investigated.  Since they are experimenting in the universe-at-large, rather than a separated, isolated lab environment, there is a certain amount of risk.  Hogan manages to build an exciting story out of this, not just a dry lab exercise.

For my money, this is the best time travel story ever written, from a physicist's point of view, and the theoretical model they refine - well, if that *isn't* the way the universe really works, it should be.

No one should be allowed to discuss time travel theory until they have read this book.
 
2021-05-09 5:28:44 PM  

leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.


From what I've seen, "the exact opposite side of the Sun" is awfully damn crowded...

HOW many Contra-Earths are over there, anyway?
 
2021-05-09 5:42:22 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.

From what I've seen, "the exact opposite side of the Sun" is awfully damn crowded...

HOW many Contra-Earths are over there, anyway?


Lexx has a double planet there.
 
2021-05-09 5:44:33 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.

From what I've seen, "the exact opposite side of the Sun" is awfully damn crowded...

HOW many Contra-Earths are over there, anyway?


Pi.
There are Pi planets there
 
2021-05-09 5:58:07 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: leeksfromchichis: kozlo: I would think that by 2582 or whatever year it was, the time traveler would have better diction and presentation for their little tickey tockey. Also it's the 9th, where's this "mirror" earth? And how is the earth "mirrored"? Like, do they breathe water and drink LOx?

It's on the exact opposite side of the sun, duh.

It's called Gor. Where men are underdressed, women are tied up, and you really don't want the god kings to notice you.

From what I've seen, "the exact opposite side of the Sun" is awfully damn crowded...

HOW many Contra-Earths are over there, anyway?

Lexx has a double planet there.


leeksfromchichis: Pi.
There are Pi planets there


Ok, Lexx's double planet, the old historical "Vulcan", Gor, the counter-earth from the Gerry Anderson movie 'Journey to the Far Side of the Sun' (a/k/a "Doppelganger"), that's four I can think of.

I'm sure there were a boatload more, from science fiction books I've forgotten, or from comic books or other movies or TV shows.  Anyone have more to add to the list?
 
2021-05-09 6:03:00 PM  

kozlo: Thunderboy:

I don't like the term "boil" for blood in space. Never have. Without standard temp and pressure it would just disassociate into gas right? Boiling implies heat is being added to raise temperature to get to a gaseous state, and in space is a complete lack of pressure, thus going to the bottom of the chart.

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No, boil implies that the temperature of the liquid is above the BOA line in your diagram at a given pressure.

I prefer the term "flash boil" but I'm used to thinking about boiling in terms of automotive refrigerants.  Stuff that boils at -15 C.
 
2021-05-09 6:12:26 PM  
scanman61:

I honestly can't discern if we're disagreeing. I don't like the term "boil" in layman's sense of the word when in reference to what would happen to human blood in the vacuum of space. I a don't like it because it's not a temperature related change as much as a pressure change. A huge, instantaneous pressure change.
 
2021-05-09 6:16:08 PM  

Ishkur: Joe USer: I have some good news and bad news.

Good news: Time travel exists.
Bad news: Future travel only, at the rate of about one 1 sec/sec.

What if you're moving really fast?


Why do you think I said "about"? Most people will never get fast enough or reach a high enough elevation to ever notice any time dilation.
 
2021-05-09 6:20:17 PM  

kozlo: scanman61:

I honestly can't discern if we're disagreeing. I don't like the term "boil" in layman's sense of the word when in reference to what would happen to human blood in the vacuum of space. I a don't like it because it's not a temperature related change as much as a pressure change. A huge, instantaneous pressure change.


Invincible: How do I breathe in space?

Omniman: Here's the trick... You don't!
 
2021-05-09 6:20:25 PM  

blastoh: [Fark user image 425x319]


That's why my time machine operates in a relative dimension in space.
 
2021-05-09 6:23:36 PM  

kozlo: scanman61:

I honestly can't discern if we're disagreeing. I don't like the term "boil" in layman's sense of the word when in reference to what would happen to human blood in the vacuum of space. I a don't like it because it's not a temperature related change as much as a pressure change. A huge, instantaneous pressure change.


Back to my HVAC frame of reference:

"Boil" doesn't bother me in that sense because HVAC systems drop the pressure from about 20 bar to about 2 bar in order to get the refrigerant to boil and absorb heat.  That's a lot more than the one bar to zero bar change you'd get in space.  However, I do see your point.  Most people's experience with boiling happens on a pot on a stove.  They see boiling as the result of only one variable (heat) and not two (heat and pressure).
 
2021-05-09 6:25:13 PM  

kozlo: scanman61:

I honestly can't discern if we're disagreeing. I don't like the term "boil" in layman's sense of the word when in reference to what would happen to human blood in the vacuum of space. I a don't like it because it's not a temperature related change as much as a pressure change. A huge, instantaneous pressure change.


Same process. If you drop the pressure, the liquid boils and cools down. If you hold the pressure constant you have to supply additional heat.

For a body in space, the blood will still be under some pressure because it's sealed inside the circulatory system. That will keep it mostly liquid unless part of the system springs a leak. Saliva in your mouth will boil away.
 
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