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(Some Guy)   Government building in danger of collapse under the weight of paperwork   (spectrumlocalnews.com) divider line
    More: Ironic, Storey, Floor, Building, town's own files, Woodstock entity, Woodstock Town Clerk Jackie Earley, Woodstock Deputy Clerk Michele Sehwerert, Floors  
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4315 clicks; posted to Main » on 09 May 2021 at 12:38 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-05-09 11:14:14 AM  
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2021-05-09 11:37:50 AM  
FTFA "McKenna said that for the moment, the building is safe to work in after a steel pole was installed on the first floor to support the sloping second floor."

In rod we trust
 
2021-05-09 11:39:05 AM  
Yeah, I've had to get after some of our managers for storing file boxes over offices. "We can't do that?" "You can if you get an engineer to give you a written evaluation of the load capacity of that roof, and then mark the load limits."
 
2021-05-09 11:41:50 AM  

Notabunny: FTFA "...for the moment, the building is safe to work in after a steel pole was installed...


Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of.
 
2021-05-09 12:42:54 PM  
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2021-05-09 12:43:36 PM  
Store the boxes at Iron Mountain like everyone else.
 
2021-05-09 12:57:20 PM  
Yeah those PSF limits sneak up on you. File
Cabinets are heavy and don't cover much area
 
2021-05-09 12:57:33 PM  
Send the files  off to some cloud
 
2021-05-09 1:01:34 PM  

alicechaos: Send the files  off to some cloud


Microfiche is your friend for long-term storage.
 
2021-05-09 1:04:45 PM  
Semi-related story: one of my gaming buddies is the docent for the local county museum back in Indiana. A few years ago, the regional bank in town sold itself to a national chain and the national chain promptly closed all but 1 location in town. The bank donated DECADES of ledgers and old files to the museum under the guise of it being local history (ie they didn't want to buy a dumpster).

Literally hundreds of boxes weighing several tons of paperwork. I got roped into helping sort it all (kept on the 1st floor) because I'm an accountant and could figure out what most of it meant. We eventually got it paired down to a shelf full of unimportant but still aesthetically pleasing ledgers as props around a desk with a few dozen individual pages of historically interesting entries (like the city setting up a special fund to pay for constructing the park in the 40s).

Paper is goddamn HEAVY if you're storing years of it at a time.
 
2021-05-09 1:24:26 PM  
To raise money for renovating they could have pole dancing on the first floor after hours.
 
2021-05-09 1:35:31 PM  
Have you got a 27B/6?

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2021-05-09 1:36:05 PM  
Worthless reminders
Are hoisted and waved like an idiot flag
The shackles and blinders
Are stacked upon stacks til the floor starts to sag
---Rhythm Corps, Perfect Treason
 
2021-05-09 1:38:43 PM  

Unobtanium: Notabunny: FTFA "...for the moment, the building is safe to work in after a steel pole was installed...

Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of.


If the pole removed the risk of collapse by taking on the excess vertical load then yes it is safe, for now, until either the load increases or the pole is removed. Lived in a house where an enterprising plumber cut a joist to make way for some piping, instead of making a hole. Over time the sag became noticeable and my landlord had to put one of those adjustable poles, raised it slowly over time to bring the joist back to level then locked it and bolted it in place. It was ugly but perfectly safe.
 
2021-05-09 1:42:36 PM  
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2021-05-09 1:45:17 PM  
Ford's Theater was used as a pension records facility after the Civil War (attendance really declined after "Our American Cousin"). While 500 people were working above, construction on electric wiring dug into supports and weakened them to the point that 3 floors came crashing down into the basement, killing more than 20 workers.

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2021-05-09 1:51:00 PM  
They should invest in one of these

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2021-05-09 2:21:15 PM  

LordOfThePings: They should invest in one of these

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A USB dog humping a laptop?
 
2021-05-09 2:26:50 PM  
This reminds me of a great story about a library in Matthew Capidocasa's podcast, The City in the City in the City.
 
2021-05-09 3:01:41 PM  

LordOfThePings: Have you got a 27B/6?

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Just strike out machine gun and write in pizza oven pole
 
2021-05-09 3:02:53 PM  
Nothing a good fire can't fix...
 
2021-05-09 3:53:45 PM  
Buy a couple of scanners, hire some temps, and start converting all those old paper documents to digital.
 
2021-05-09 3:55:27 PM  

Thosw: LordOfThePings: Have you got a 27B/6?

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Just strike out machine gun and write in pizza oven pole


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2021-05-09 3:57:26 PM  

cyberspacedout: LordOfThePings: They should invest in one of these

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A USB dog humping a laptop?


My lab data!
 
2021-05-09 4:31:36 PM  
Imagine the paperwork required to approve a repair from the damage caused by paperwork. There is the incident paperwork and then safety paperwork. Then inspection paperwork and paperwork to request repairs. That repair proposal paperwork goes to some city bureaus as more paperwork, then the paperwork to approve a repair. Then the paperwork to solicit bids, and all the submitted bidding paperwork. Then the project review paperwork, project approval paperwork, then the contracting paperwork. The contractor has permit paperwork, materials paperwork, payroll paperwork, insurance paperwork, and probably subcontractor paperwork.
 
2021-05-09 4:51:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: Imagine the paperwork required to approve a repair from the damage caused by paperwork. There is the incident paperwork and then safety paperwork. Then inspection paperwork and paperwork to request repairs. That repair proposal paperwork goes to some city bureaus as more paperwork, then the paperwork to approve a repair. Then the paperwork to solicit bids, and all the submitted bidding paperwork. Then the project review paperwork, project approval paperwork, then the contracting paperwork. The contractor has permit paperwork, materials paperwork, payroll paperwork, insurance paperwork, and probably subcontractor paperwork.


And this is Woodstock, so the environmental impact statement alone will have its own gravitational field.
 
2021-05-09 5:36:39 PM  
I can understand why government offices need to hold onto paperwork like that, but I know people who do the same thing. Try as I may I can't seem to convince my mother that she doesn't need to keep tax returns, bank statements, canceled checks and utility bills going back to the early 70s.

I knew a guy who got divorced, and of all the things you hear guys complain about when that happens, this guy's big beef was that his wife kept their "entire paper trail" (as he referred to it) of their life together.

I know another guy who kept the owners manuals for everything he's ever bought. I asked him why he thinks he needs the manual from a blender he bought 20 years ago, does he think he'll forget how to use it?
 
2021-05-09 5:37:17 PM  

Prof. Frink: cyberspacedout: LordOfThePings: They should invest in one of these

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A USB dog humping a laptop?

My lab data!


Well sure, but what shape USB drive did you use?  We're waiting on the laptop humping data to publish...
 
2021-05-09 6:17:39 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Prof. Frink: cyberspacedout: LordOfThePings: They should invest in one of these

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A USB dog humping a laptop?

My lab data!

Well sure, but what shape USB drive did you use?  We're waiting on the laptop humping data to publish...


Actually, I use a dongle.
 
2021-05-09 9:04:16 PM  
Hmm. The building (taxpayers) getting crushed by paperwork (government) in a literal way. Cool.
 
2021-05-10 12:23:15 AM  
Decades ago a new destroyer was being built and the maintenance documents (that should be on the ship) would have weighed more than its displacement had they been printed out.
 
2021-05-10 1:03:19 AM  
FTFA "McKenna estimated the project would cost about $2.8 million. He said the town has about $2 million to put toward the project and may seek a bond to make up the difference."

Or you could rent a few of storage rooms for maybe $250 a month total.  Yes, it would be less convenient the once or twice a year you might need to look for 10 year old paperwork, but it wouldn't cost $2.8m, either.
 
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