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1408 clicks; posted to Business » on 09 May 2021 at 3:45 AM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-05-09 4:18:16 AM  
Unless it's basically a bounced check, this sounds illegal
 
2021-05-09 4:23:29 AM  
Reversing a payment made in error can happen, but this sounds like squabbling over the order in which debts of a bankrupt entity get satisfied.  From the bank's perspective, I don't think that should be "paid in error" because the money was owed.  I hope they get the reversal reversed on that basis, but I would not count on it being quick.
 
2021-05-09 4:32:25 AM  
Wage theft is the single largest form of theft, and nobody ever goes to jail for it.
 
2021-05-09 5:54:08 AM  
This is why I get paid with a check that I cash at a bank where I have no money in any accounts that they can steal.
 
2021-05-09 6:27:28 AM  

mrmopar5287: This is why I get paid with a check that I cash at a bank where I have no money in any accounts that they can steal.


lol. That's nice, Grandpa.
 
2021-05-09 8:09:15 AM  

NuclearPenguins: mrmopar5287: This is why I get paid with a check that I cash at a bank where I have no money in any accounts that they can steal.

lol. That's nice, Grandpa.


Hah, no. Just that I've been burned once before with a bounced payroll check. Never again.
 
2021-05-09 8:16:39 AM  
"KeyBank writes in a statement, "The sudden closure of Koffee Kup Bakery is truly an unfortunate situation for all concerned. For client privacy and legal reasons, KeyBank is unable to comment on any issues related to the client's account.""

Well, there's 60% of your problem right there. F*ck KeyBank.
 
2021-05-09 8:34:41 AM  

NuclearPenguins: mrmopar5287: This is why I get paid with a check that I cash at a bank where I have no money in any accounts that they can steal.

lol. That's nice, Grandpa.


Age and treachery will always overcome youth and inexperience.  Go to your Googles and look that up.
 
2021-05-09 9:08:21 AM  

skippy.fluff: Reversing a payment made in error can happen, but this sounds like squabbling over the order in which debts of a bankrupt entity get satisfied.  From the bank's perspective, I don't think that should be "paid in error" because the money was owed.  I hope they get the reversal reversed on that basis, but I would not count on it being quick.


Pretty much.

I'm kind of curious if there is a bankruptcy case going or was the purchase was in lieu of filing? Depending on how the purchase was structured, the accrued time could have been wiped out as uncollateralized debt. The bank can only do what the account holder and their lawyers tell them to do.
 
2021-05-09 9:32:32 AM  
Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!
 
2021-05-09 10:37:27 AM  
You know the company is just doing what's needed to survive and become the job creator it knows it's meant to be.
 
2021-05-09 10:46:23 AM  
This sucks. I love Koffee Kup maple donuts and was sad to see them go. This farkery is inexcusable.
 
2021-05-09 10:46:34 AM  

jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!


Your imagination really seems to be running wild this weekend.
 
2021-05-09 10:48:48 AM  

Loki009: You know the company is just doing what's needed to survive and become the job creator it knows it's meant to be.


I don't think you understand the words in the headline.
 
2021-05-09 11:01:27 AM  

jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!


Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?
 
2021-05-09 11:13:18 AM  

squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?


The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.
 
2021-05-09 11:16:54 AM  

gyruss: squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?

The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.


I read his post as that's his preference based on his experiences. I don't see that as blaming the victim in this instance at all.

And are you an alt for jso2897?
 
2021-05-09 11:42:03 AM  

squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?

The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.

I read his post as that's his preference based on his experiences. I don't see that as blaming the victim in this instance at all.

And are you an alt for jso2897?


It's not reasonable to expect employees of a modern company to avoid direct deposit for their pay as if they're supposed to expect the company to close without notice (illegal under the WARN Act if they have over 100 employees) and then have the gall to claw back money which was owed and had already been paid. Mopar's post amounted to a smug "I know how to outsmart corporate assholes" and there's no possible point to making that post unless you're trying to contrast yourself with the employees who got screwed by suggesting that they aren't as smart as you, therefore you have your money and they don't. That's victim blaming, and the sad fact that corporate assholery is so common is irrelevant.
 
2021-05-09 11:53:58 AM  

gyruss: squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?

The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.

I read his post as that's his preference based on his experiences. I don't see that as blaming the victim in this instance at all.

And are you an alt for jso2897?

It's not reasonable to expect employees of a modern company to avoid direct deposit for their pay as if they're supposed to expect the company to close without notice (illegal under the WARN Act if they have over 100 employees) and then have the gall to claw back money which was owed and had already been paid. Mopar's post amounted to a smug "I know how to outsmart corporate assholes" and there's no possible point to making that post unless you're trying to contrast yourself with the employees who got screwed by suggesting that they aren't as smart as you, therefore you have your money and they don't. That's victim blaming, and the sad fact that corporate assholery is so common is irrelevant.


Did you read both of his posts? In context it seems, to me, that he's applying his comment to his situation and his experiences.
 
2021-05-09 12:48:38 PM  

squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?

The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.

I read his post as that's his preference based on his experiences. I don't see that as blaming the victim in this instance at all.

And are you an alt for jso2897?

It's not reasonable to expect employees of a modern company to avoid direct deposit for their pay as if they're supposed to expect the company to close without notice (illegal under the WARN Act if they have over 100 employees) and then have the gall to claw back money which was owed and had already been paid. Mopar's post amounted to a smug "I know how to outsmart corporate assholes" and there's no possible point to making that post unless you're trying to contrast yourself with the employees who got screwed by suggesting that they aren't as smart as you, therefore you have your money and they don't. That's victim blaming, and the sad fact that corporate assholery is so common is irrelevant.

Did you read both of his posts? In context it seems, to me, that he's applying his comment to his situation and his experiences.


Yes, it was a restaurant owner who was failing badly, closing the restaurant, and didn't tell anyone (and issued paychecks that bounced).

The hostess had access to the safe. She paid as many people in cash as she could before the owner found out. The rest of us kitchen workers came back after the closing because a few people still had keys. We looted everything we could to make up for the bounced paychecks.
 
2021-05-09 1:02:27 PM  
Is it a policy of ' earned hours ', or whatever it's called? You may be ' entitled ' to X number of hours vacation time per year, but you ' earn ' and acumulate them throughout the year.
You can take all that time off in January, but if you leave the company, you owe it back.
 
2021-05-09 1:12:31 PM  

gyruss: squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?

The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.

I read his post as that's his preference based on his experiences. I don't see that as blaming the victim in this instance at all.

And are you an alt for jso2897?

It's not reasonable to expect employees of a modern company to avoid direct deposit for their pay as if they're supposed to expect the company to close without notice (illegal under the WARN Act if they have over 100 employees) and then have the gall to claw back money which was owed and had already been paid. Mopar's post amounted to a smug "I know how to outsmart corporate assholes" and there's no possible point to making that post unless you're trying to contrast yourself with the employees who got screwed by suggesting that they aren't as smart as you, therefore you have your money and they don't. That's victim blaming, and the sad fact that corporate assholery is so common is irrelevant.


I've worked with a guy who refused direct deposit.  His wife had direct deposit with Hershey's, and at one point they couldn't deposit the right amount for love or money.  The bank deposited yo-yo'ed enough (once? twice?) that neither of them will use direct deposit again.  If they have your account to put money in, they can get it out.

That said, I've never had issues with direct deposit.  Although I did have my money in Wells Fargo, probably while they were still stealing customer's money.

/think I started with Citizen's Bank.  6 buyouts later the bank was Wells Fargo
//now have my money in a credit union
///and guess what.  A bigger credit union bought them.  5 more to go...
 
2021-05-09 2:03:43 PM  

mrmopar5287: squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: gyruss: squidloe: jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!

Where have victims been blamed in any post prior to yours?

The Hemi Challenger owner "joking" about insisting on paper checks.

I read his post as that's his preference based on his experiences. I don't see that as blaming the victim in this instance at all.

And are you an alt for jso2897?

It's not reasonable to expect employees of a modern company to avoid direct deposit for their pay as if they're supposed to expect the company to close without notice (illegal under the WARN Act if they have over 100 employees) and then have the gall to claw back money which was owed and had already been paid. Mopar's post amounted to a smug "I know how to outsmart corporate assholes" and there's no possible point to making that post unless you're trying to contrast yourself with the employees who got screwed by suggesting that they aren't as smart as you, therefore you have your money and they don't. That's victim blaming, and the sad fact that corporate assholery is so common is irrelevant.

Did you read both of his posts? In context it seems, to me, that he's applying his comment to his situation and his experiences.

Yes, it was a restaurant owner who was failing badly, closing the restaurant, and didn't tell anyone (and issued paychecks that bounced).

The hostess had access to the safe. She paid as many people in cash as she could before the owner found out. The rest of us kitchen workers came back after the closing because a few people still had keys. We looted everything we could to make up for the bounced paychecks.

So your employer broke the law by issuing fraudulent paychecks and you responded by breaking the law with trespassing, theft and destruction of property, and you post it proudly because you didn't have to bother with fancy lawyers or courtrooms.Tony Soprano would be proud.
 
2021-05-09 2:39:41 PM  

gyruss: So your employer broke the law by issuing fraudulent paychecks and you responded by breaking the law with trespassing, theft and destruction of property, and you post it proudly because you didn't have to bother with fancy lawyers or courtrooms.


Yes. If I can solve the problem in about 10 minutes of minor effort, that's far better than months of going through channels that won't help (doubtful the state department of labor would do anything to a business that small) or a court system that won't help (hire a lawyer for hundreds of dollars to recover hundreds of dollars?).

The people who got paid in cash (waitresses) left their paychecks in the bank bag in the safe, so it was an even exchange. Maybe $100 cash and they left their $100 paycheck there - even exchange.
 
2021-05-09 2:43:46 PM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Is it a policy of ' earned hours ', or whatever it's called? You may be ' entitled ' to X number of hours vacation time per year, but you ' earn ' and acumulate them throughout the year.
You can take all that time off in January, but if you leave the company, you owe it back.


That would be advanced leave (it's given to you in advance and you have to earn it) and that's generally a bad idea for a business to do for that reason.

My work offers advanced sick leave. If you have a low balance and need time off for something, they can advance you the amount of hours you would accumulate through the rest of the calendar year. They have to take into account all the factors of the likelihood that you will return to work after using the sick leave and work through the rest of the year to pay it back. If you are a long-term employee, reliable, haven't abused sick leave in the past, etc., it's not too big a deal to give someone a few weeks if they have some major medical thing that they will recover from and they are not leaving employment or retiring. If they think you might quit or retire, they're probably not going to advance you the leave.
 
2021-05-09 2:47:16 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: I've worked with a guy who refused direct deposit.  His wife had direct deposit with Hershey's, and at one point they couldn't deposit the right amount for love or money.  The bank deposited yo-yo'ed enough (once? twice?) that neither of them will use direct deposit again.  If they have your account to put money in, they can get it out.


Exactly. If you're expecting a regular payroll deposit that boomerangs for whatever reason and you have bills (maybe a mortgage, too) on autopay, suddenly you're crammed with some overdraft fees and maybe rejected payments. Now your mortgage payment has bounced, so that looks wonderful on your end no matter how you try to explain it to the bank.

If your employer issues a paper check and it's from a bank in your town, you can walk in to CASH THAT CHECK. They'll give you the money right there, no yoinking it back with funny stuff that you would never be allowed to get away with if you did it, and it's done. Take your cash to your bank and deposit it there and they can't steal your money from your account if they don't know your account or have access to it.
 
2021-05-09 2:57:25 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: If they have your account to put money in, they can get it out.


I wouldn't have figured they could yank back a deposit. Direct deposit is only supposed to be able to DEPOSIT money into an account, not withdraw. The only way they could yank it back is if the deposit were "pending" for a little while and it was canceled before it was actually deposited.

When I worked for Wal-mart years ago their payroll processing company would routinely do double deposits at least once every 6-8 months. I have no idea how that happened on the regular. Anyways, the managers would go around telling everyone that it was a double deposit and warn them that the second amount would be taken out of the next paycheck deposit[s] as necessary. If you got double, it meant that was money you get for 4 weeks because the next deposit would be $0 to even everything up. Well, there was always a handful of people who would blow through that money like it was a lottery scratcher winner. Trips to Red Lobster, go to the casino, or buy a bunch of stuff. Then, about two weeks later, they'd be crying about how they didn't have any money to pay their bills because they didn't get paid that next pay period...
 
2021-05-09 4:14:44 PM  
My takeaway from this is if you get some payout from a company going out of business then transfer the cash out of the direct deposit account and then close it.
 
2021-05-09 7:37:00 PM  
How's the Bernie Sander's State economy working out for employees .... oh.
 
2021-05-10 2:58:08 AM  

jso2897: Well, nobody has defended the company yet, but at least the victims have been blamed.
Thanks, Fark! You always deliver!


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2021-05-10 12:20:15 PM  

EvilEgg: Wage theft is the single largest form of theft, and nobody ever goes to jail for it.


Yup.  Happens everywhere and all the time.  Some shoplifter can go to jail for taking a 1000 dollar Xbox or whatever.  But the store that sells that Xbox can fark.over employees for a couple thousand and no it bats an eye.
 
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