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2021-05-07 11:51:08 PM  
...Target?  Really?
 
2021-05-08 12:13:58 AM  
Aw. That's a shame.
 
2021-05-08 3:39:34 AM  
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2021-05-08 5:55:54 AM  
Walmart now is just a Tier 2 dollar store. Just has those extra things like electronics and so forth not typically found at dollar stores.
 
2021-05-08 6:05:02 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: ...Target?  Really?


Ever since Target instituted groceries, they've been making money hand over fist.
 
2021-05-08 6:24:32 AM  
Maybe they could fix their problems if their dress code wasn't so strict. Who wants to get all dressed up just to go shopping?
 
2021-05-08 6:42:49 AM  
Instacart is a threat?
 
2021-05-08 6:49:24 AM  
Drone delivery. Laugh out loud. Drones are really loud. Nothing like enjoying your back yard to the buzzing of drones delivering your neighbors hentai.
 
2021-05-08 6:54:06 AM  

Merltech: Walmart now is just a Tier 2 dollar store. Just has those extra things like electronics and so forth not typically found at dollar stores.


It's not so much that as it's just all so...generic. That, and the whole pandering to the vocal minority thing isn't gonna work forever if the vocal minority keeps culling its own herd in purity tests and pandemic deaths.
 
2021-05-08 7:02:25 AM  
Maybe if they didn't make the shopping experience so unpleasant. Lack of cashiers and items out of place happen. But what really turned me off was them checking receipts on the way out. This isn't Sam's where as part of my membership I agree to it. I just want to take my now purchased products and leave. So I don't shop there anymore.
 
2021-05-08 8:08:24 AM  
Grocery, the growth engine of the business, is losing share rapidly," one slide reads. "More than ever, Walmart shopper[s] are choosing the competition," the slide continues, alongside logos of competitors like Publix, Target, and Albertsons as well as stats showing increasing customer traffic at those chains and a decline at Walmart.

I was talking with a Walmart Transportation guy I know a few years ago. We were talking about stores and they were just starting to rol-out the "Neighborhood" brand of smaller stores. I told him we generally prefer Publix for groceries. "Yeah, so does my family." We also use Aldi for a lot of stuff.

I have a Neighborhood store that is convenient, and I'll use it for a quick fill-in trip. I also use their pharmacy because the pharmacists are friendly and helpful - last prescription I had the pharmacist said "I can fill it for you, but it's not in your plan formulary and would be $40." He walks out into the aisle and shows me a product. "This is the same stuff. It's $12."

But I hate the big Walmarts. I usually need one or two specific items, they are deep in the stores, the place looks like a dump because they don't have enough people to "dress" the shelves, and they rely heavily on self checkout without enough help to manage the inevitable problems that happen, especially with produce items from the grocery.
 
2021-05-08 8:14:54 AM  

Merltech: Walmart now is just a Tier 2 dollar store. Just has those extra things like electronics and so forth not typically found at dollar stores.


Aside from having different private labels, Walmart has the exact same shiat Target has. Any similarity to dollar stores is only in your head.
 
2021-05-08 8:25:26 AM  

damageddude: Maybe if they didn't make the shopping experience so unpleasant. Lack of cashiers and items out of place happen. But what really turned me off was them checking receipts on the way out. This isn't Sam's where as part of my membership I agree to it. I just want to take my now purchased products and leave. So I don't shop there anymore.


The stores look like shiat because they turn a blind eye to folks ripping packages apart, spray painting the store to test paint, and taking shiat halfway across the store then just tossing it on a shelf.
One of the primary reaosons it is a shiat place to shop is because the vast majority of people that shop there are scumbags.
 
2021-05-08 8:26:02 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Merltech: Walmart now is just a Tier 2 dollar store. Just has those extra things like electronics and so forth not typically found at dollar stores.

Aside from having different private labels, Walmart has the exact same shiat Target has. Any similarity to dollar stores is only in your head.


Now I'm wondering what a Equate brand Mr MeeSeeks would look like

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/Sam's Choice Mr Meeseeks?
 
2021-05-08 8:35:38 AM  

Muzzleloader: damageddude: Maybe if they didn't make the shopping experience so unpleasant. Lack of cashiers and items out of place happen. But what really turned me off was them checking receipts on the way out. This isn't Sam's where as part of my membership I agree to it. I just want to take my now purchased products and leave. So I don't shop there anymore.

The stores look like shiat because they turn a blind eye to folks ripping packages apart, spray painting the store to test paint, and taking shiat halfway across the store then just tossing it on a shelf.
One of the primary reaosons it is a shiat place to shop is because the vast majority of people that shop there are scumbags.


This is a hard problem since scumbags also apparently need things like food and clothes once in a while.

I can usually work around that problem by going to my local Walmart at 8:00 AM on a Sunday morning when the scumbags are sleeping off their Saturday Night Hangovers and most everyone else up that early is sitting in church. That way I get the store practically to myself.
 
2021-05-08 8:38:51 AM  
"We're under competitive threat again... let's fark over our suppliers just that much extra harder this year!"
 
2021-05-08 8:39:56 AM  
People don't want to have to get dressed up to shop, that's why they're failing.
 
2021-05-08 9:18:15 AM  

TheSubjunctive: "We're under competitive threat again... let's fark over our suppliers just that much extra harder this year!"


This
 
2021-05-08 9:27:25 AM  
My Walmart is so nice you'll see luxury cars in the parking lot. I pickup curbside, so I don't have to go inside and deal with the hassle of finding items and checking out. Plus, you know, the pandemic.
 
2021-05-08 9:46:11 AM  
I have yet to find a Walmart where there wasn't this rank sour smell permeating the entire produce section. I would never trust any fruits or vegetables from them.

Target's produce section seems entirely aimed at people in their 20s who only cook at home on a whim.
 
2021-05-08 9:48:20 AM  
Target is so terrible at business that they completely shiat the bed when expanding into Canada. The entire country pointed and laughed for around a year. I doubt Walmart or Amazon gives the slightest shiat about such a poorly run business.
 
2021-05-08 10:25:55 AM  
I have set foot in so few brick and mortar stores in the last year it now feels weird and I don't like it.  I'm nearly at the point where if I can't find it online I probably don't need it.
 
2021-05-08 10:26:10 AM  
Walmart is just a hellhole to go into.  I don't want to walk six miles to get 2 items, or stand in a line that never moves.   I'll order from them once or twice a year online on a couple things I know are cheaper than Amazon, but that's it.  And if the notoriously low-profit-margin, heavily competitive grocery is their "growth" business, they're f**ked.
 
2021-05-08 10:33:06 AM  

Russ1642: Target is so terrible at business that they completely shiat the bed when expanding into Canada. The entire country pointed and laughed for around a year. I doubt Walmart or Amazon gives the slightest shiat about such a poorly run business.


Far be it for me to tell the Target folks how to run a retail chain, but they went big in Canada much too early.

A single destination pilot store in Winnipeg (right up the road from HQ in Minneapolis) would have given them a chance to work out the bugs peculiar to Canadian shopping expectations before attempting any mass expansion.

Instead they swung for the fences, and when it crashed and burned, they shrugged their shoulders and said, "These are Walmart People, so it would have never worked anyway."
 
2021-05-08 10:37:37 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Russ1642: Target is so terrible at business that they completely shiat the bed when expanding into Canada. The entire country pointed and laughed for around a year. I doubt Walmart or Amazon gives the slightest shiat about such a poorly run business.

Far be it for me to tell the Target folks how to run a retail chain, but they went big in Canada much too early.

A single destination pilot store in Winnipeg (right up the road from HQ in Minneapolis) would have given them a chance to work out the bugs peculiar to Canadian shopping expectations before attempting any mass expansion.

Instead they swung for the fences, and when it crashed and burned, they shrugged their shoulders and said, "These are Walmart People, so it would have never worked anyway."


They went big with their stores but had complete morons as supply chain managers. My only experience in a Target was seeing this huge store with empty shelves. It looked like the store had been looted. It's as if they tried as hard as possible to fail.
 
2021-05-08 10:47:33 AM  

Russ1642: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Russ1642: Target is so terrible at business that they completely shiat the bed when expanding into Canada. The entire country pointed and laughed for around a year. I doubt Walmart or Amazon gives the slightest shiat about such a poorly run business.

Far be it for me to tell the Target folks how to run a retail chain, but they went big in Canada much too early.

A single destination pilot store in Winnipeg (right up the road from HQ in Minneapolis) would have given them a chance to work out the bugs peculiar to Canadian shopping expectations before attempting any mass expansion.

Instead they swung for the fences, and when it crashed and burned, they shrugged their shoulders and said, "These are Walmart People, so it would have never worked anyway."

They went big with their stores but had complete morons as supply chain managers. My only experience in a Target was seeing this huge store with empty shelves. It looked like the store had been looted. It's as if they tried as hard as possible to fail.


That lines up with what I heard about that whole debacle (major stocking issues).
 
2021-05-08 10:48:36 AM  
Call me a snob, but the only time I've set food in a Wal-Mart in the last 12 years was when that was my only option to wire money for a friend's bail.

/ Yes, I have friends who need bail and I *still* don't shop at Wal-Mart.
 
2021-05-08 11:02:45 AM  

Merltech: Walmart now is just a Tier 2 dollar store. Just has those extra things like electronics and so forth not typically found at dollar stores.


I almost never buy groceries at Walmart.   Where I live we've got lots of choices, including Shoprite, Stew Leonards, Whole Foods, Acme, Trader Joe, H-Mart, Lidl, Aldi, etc, etc.

I do shop at Walmart, but it's usually for things that are not worth/practical to buy online.   I get auto supplies, like oil and batteries.   Garden stuff.   Laundry detergent and cleaning supplies.  Basic office supplies.  Things of that nature.
 
2021-05-08 11:11:26 AM  

Unobtanium: I told him we generally prefer Publix for groceries.


Isn't Publix owned by that Fascist Trumpy lady?  https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida​-​politics/2021/01/30/publix-heiress-pai​d-for-trump-rally-preceding-capitol-ri​ots-wsj-reports/
 
2021-05-08 11:15:39 AM  
WalMart is okay for processed foods, but buying produce or other fresh food there has a noticeable feeling of picking from the dumpster.
 
2021-05-08 11:15:51 AM  
Please don't let this mean all the white trash goes to Target... don't ruin that for me.
 
2021-05-08 11:30:09 AM  

damageddude: Maybe if they didn't make the shopping experience so unpleasant. Lack of cashiers and items out of place happen. But what really turned me off was them checking receipts on the way out. This isn't Sam's where as part of my membership I agree to it. I just want to take my now purchased products and leave. So I don't shop there anymore.


Freaking this.  It's like Walmart does SO MUCH WRONG on purpose.

For example, the Walmart closest to me (the one of about six I have to choose from) has 18 checkout lines, and an area with about a half dozen self-checkouts on either end.  Typically, about 16 of the checkout lines are unmanned, and there's about 10-15 people waiting in line for self-checkout.  If you don't want to pay cashiers, fine, but how about converting more of those unused checkout lines to self-checkout??

We get it, you want to save money.  But guess what?  By saving money, you're LOSING money.  Bye, Walmart.
 
2021-05-08 11:37:07 AM  
I used to buy my packaged foods from there and I'd buy my fresh food from the grocery store, but a few years ago the regional grocery store chain I go to doubled down on the quality of their house brand products and I haven't been to a Walmart since.  I drive past two of them on the way to and from work.

As for everything else Walmart sells... the quality is just crap.  The clothing I've bought from there in the past doesn't last long and the electronics are all off brand and sub par.
 
2021-05-08 11:55:45 AM  
Lol no it's not, subby. Have you been in a Walmart lately?
 
2021-05-08 11:58:21 AM  
So
Walmart knows who it's main competitors are and are working on strategies to compete against competitors? This is news?

It would be news worthy if they were trying to compete against Apple or Tesla... Target? This has been going on for decades!
 
2021-05-08 11:58:45 AM  
I'm doing my part. I haven't shopped at the evil empire since an Aldi was built next door
 
2021-05-08 12:06:29 PM  
WalMart is basically the same as Target, but cheaper.

However, I look at Target's prices as a premium to not deal with the people that choose Wal-Mart. And it's worth it.

/I live in a big city in Texas, so there are plenty of options for shopping and plenty of people I don't want to be anywhere near
 
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2021-05-08 12:13:35 PM  

Merltech: Walmart now is just a Tier 2 dollar store. Just has those extra things like electronics and so forth not typically found at dollar stores.


The only thing Wal Mart has going for it now is the whole one-stop shopping schtick.  They aren't the lowest price for an awful lot of things, the customer service is fairly abysmal.

As always, hard pass on that place and everything like it.
 
2021-05-08 12:35:00 PM  
Walmart+  ?    You gotta be kidding me.
 
2021-05-08 12:36:06 PM  
Maybe they'll get into a hot n heavy marketing spending war while simultaneously trying to undercut each other so much that all three go under... *sighhhh* that would be nice.

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2021-05-08 12:46:48 PM  
I must live in some bizarre alternate universe or something, because every Walmart I've ever been in was clean, well stocked, and the employees generally helpful and polite whenever I've had to deal with them. The produce is decent, not as good as a farmers market or anything, but the same quality as most other grocery stores.

I swear most of you are either making this shiat up, or we somehow have better quality Walmarts here in Tx.
 
2021-05-08 12:58:22 PM  

Slow To Return: damageddude: Maybe if they didn't make the shopping experience so unpleasant. Lack of cashiers and items out of place happen. But what really turned me off was them checking receipts on the way out. This isn't Sam's where as part of my membership I agree to it. I just want to take my now purchased products and leave. So I don't shop there anymore.

Freaking this.  It's like Walmart does SO MUCH WRONG on purpose.

For example, the Walmart closest to me (the one of about six I have to choose from) has 18 checkout lines, and an area with about a half dozen self-checkouts on either end.  Typically, about 16 of the checkout lines are unmanned, and there's about 10-15 people waiting in line for self-checkout.  If you don't want to pay cashiers, fine, but how about converting more of those unused checkout lines to self-checkout??

We get it, you want to save money.  But guess what?  By saving money, you're LOSING money.  Bye, Walmart.


Self-checkouts are for people trying to steal.

LOTS of money lost on those lanes.
 
2021-05-08 1:01:07 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I must live in some bizarre alternate universe or something, because every Walmart I've ever been in was clean, well stocked, and the employees generally helpful and polite whenever I've had to deal with them. The produce is decent, not as good as a farmers market or anything, but the same quality as most other grocery stores.

I swear most of you are either making this shiat up, or we somehow have better quality Walmarts here in Tx.


If you live in the suburbs north of Dallas ... yeah.  They're really nice.  And they'll have to compete with Aldi's soon, too.

I mean, they're awful.  Atrocious.  Please stop moving to the suburbs north of Dallas.
 
2021-05-08 1:05:20 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I must live in some bizarre alternate universe or something, because every Walmart I've ever been in was clean, well stocked, and the employees generally helpful and polite whenever I've had to deal with them. The produce is decent, not as good as a farmers market or anything, but the same quality as most other grocery stores.

I swear most of you are either making this shiat up, or we somehow have better quality Walmarts here in Tx.


That's been my experience in suburban Walmart stores in Jersey as well.   I've also been to some Walmart stores near poor urban areas and out in Methville.   In those places it's...um, different.
 
2021-05-08 1:12:39 PM  
I used to shop at Walmart before the pandemic. However, since the pandemic started, I haven't gone in there. I just somehow know that the clientele in your average Walmart is probably not very careful about not getting covid. I've been going to Meijer instead.
 
2021-05-08 1:25:03 PM  
Wal-Mart is the kind of place where you park towards the back of the parking lot so you don't have to deal with people who don't know how to park, then come out and find people parked next to you and your door's been dinged.
 
2021-05-08 2:19:47 PM  

Russ1642: Target is so terrible at business that they completely shiat the bed when expanding into Canada. The entire country pointed and laughed for around a year. I doubt Walmart or Amazon gives the slightest shiat about such a poorly run business.


There are some articles out there about what went wrong with Target in Canada.

The biggest mistake they made was they tried to do it too quickly, before they had *anything* ready.

The most hilarious thing that happened was that their ordering system was set-up so that the people controlling the shipments were given bonuses if a given product at a given store never went "out of stock". So...they simply never acknowledged that anything ever went out of stock, and never shipped anything. The stores would run out of stuff, put in an order, and the shipping people would change the "in-stock" number from "0" to "10", and collect the bonus. Their software did nothing to prevent them from doing that, or even logging it.

Comedy gold.
 
2021-05-08 2:56:37 PM  

realmolo: Russ1642: Target is so terrible at business that they completely shiat the bed when expanding into Canada. The entire country pointed and laughed for around a year. I doubt Walmart or Amazon gives the slightest shiat about such a poorly run business.

There are some articles out there about what went wrong with Target in Canada.

The biggest mistake they made was they tried to do it too quickly, before they had *anything* ready.

The most hilarious thing that happened was that their ordering system was set-up so that the people controlling the shipments were given bonuses if a given product at a given store never went "out of stock". So...they simply never acknowledged that anything ever went out of stock, and never shipped anything. The stores would run out of stuff, put in an order, and the shipping people would change the "in-stock" number from "0" to "10", and collect the bonus. Their software did nothing to prevent them from doing that, or even logging it.

Comedy gold.


When they opened at the end of June there were shelves and shelves of 4th of July stuff. Awesome planning right from the start
 
2021-05-08 3:31:24 PM  

damageddude: Maybe if they didn't make the shopping experience so unpleasant. Lack of cashiers and items out of place happen. But what really turned me off was them checking receipts on the way out. This isn't Sam's where as part of my membership I agree to it. I just want to take my now purchased products and leave. So I don't shop there anymore.


Target very much does receipt checks. Or did, one very minor good thing about the pandemic. They have tried very hard to keep their stores modernized. Even if you happen to be in a town where there's a smaller, "older" target near the more recent super target they do major renovations for reimaging every decade or so. Walmart is still the same dimly lit warehouse piles of generic merchandise strewn in every wrong section.

/The ass in me very much wanted to shred my receipt the moment I got it and when they ask to see it blow it into the air and say merry christmas.
//I would never
///Worked at the Target by Disneyland ~12 years ago. Full array of customer experience there.
 
2021-05-08 3:58:49 PM  

germ78: Wal-Mart is the kind of place where you park towards the back of the parking lot so you don't have to deal with people who don't know how to park, then come out and find people parked next to you and your door's been dinged.


This guy gets it. The best spots are by the garden center.
 
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