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(NBC News)   The Republican nomination process for VA governor is going to be really messy this time because they're going to use an untested, controversial method of balloting called "democracy"   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2021-05-07 4:37:14 PM  
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2021-05-07 5:18:20 PM  
"And Virginia Republicans already have been complaining about the issue of voter ID requirements for Saturday's convention."

***snort***
 
2021-05-07 5:39:33 PM  

Iwouldhitit: "And Virginia Republicans already have been complaining about the issue of voter ID requirements for Saturday's convention."

***snort***


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2021-05-07 5:42:31 PM  
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2021-05-07 6:41:40 PM  
FTA: The major candidates are state Sen. Amanda Chase...the controversial Chase - who has described herself as a "Trump in heels."

Ahhhhh yes, a state shifting bluer than the Big Crunch is certainly going to vote for the female version of one of the world's most dangerous psychopaths.

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2021-05-07 6:42:34 PM  
Who wants democrat ballot? Not me!
 
2021-05-07 6:43:11 PM  

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That's offensive.  I do not have an oxygen tank.
 
2021-05-07 6:43:33 PM  

Iwouldhitit: "And Virginia Republicans already have been complaining about the issue of voter ID requirements for Saturday's convention."

***snort***


I tried to measure my sympathy for them, but even with 'long double' I keep getting float point underflow exceptions.
 
2021-05-07 6:49:54 PM  

Byno: FTA: The major candidates are state Sen. Amanda Chase...the controversial Chase - who has described herself as a "Trump in heels."

Ahhhhh yes, a state shifting bluer than the Big Crunch is certainly going to vote for the female version of one of the world's most dangerous psychopaths.

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FTFY.
 
2021-05-07 6:55:26 PM  
I'm fairy sure it doens;t matter, VA has shifted and is a blue state, so most likley the dem will win.

This is good for the GOP though, as Chase will most likley get her ass kicked in VA if she got the nod.
 
2021-05-07 6:59:49 PM  
I thought we were a republic?
 
2021-05-07 6:59:59 PM  

Byno: FTA: The major candidates are state Sen. Amanda Chase...the controversial Chase - who has described herself as a "Trump in heels."

Ahhhhh yes, a state shifting bluer than the Big Crunch is certainly going to vote for the female version of one of the world's most dangerous psychopaths.

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And according to Rachel last night - Amanda Chase said 'don't trust the results from the party.  For the real results go to my website.'
 
2021-05-07 7:01:29 PM  
Why aren't the Democrats using drive-up runoff voting, again?
 
2021-05-07 7:02:28 PM  
The actual counting of the ranked-choice ballots doesn't begin until Sunday, and the party chair expects the results to be completed by as early as Tuesday, May 11 and as late as Thursday, May 13.

Is this intentional delay purposely placed so the results are released after the Democrats announce their primary winner?

What's the point of doing all this?
 
2021-05-07 7:03:13 PM  

austerity101: Why aren't the Democrats using drive-up runoff voting, again?


I remember during the 2016 primaries, Trevor Noah thought the two parties would have been better off had they swapped their procedures. If Republicans had super-delegates, Trump could have been better controlled, whereas if Democrats didn't have super-delegates, the race would've been more even-handed between Bernie and Hillary.
 
2021-05-07 7:05:45 PM  
Forget it, Jake; we're in Virginia
 
2021-05-07 7:06:31 PM  

Iwouldhitit: "And Virginia Republicans already have been complaining about the issue of voter ID requirements for Saturday's convention."

***snort***


Wow.
 
2021-05-07 7:10:18 PM  
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2021-05-07 7:10:37 PM  

Iwouldhitit: "And Virginia Republicans already have been complaining about the issue of voter ID requirements for Saturday's convention."

***snort***


They're white. How dare they demand ID. Any fool can see they're white!
 
2021-05-07 7:11:10 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: austerity101: Why aren't the Democrats using drive-up runoff voting, again?

I remember during the 2016 primaries, Trevor Noah thought the two parties would have been better off had they swapped their procedures. If Republicans had super-delegates, Trump could have been better controlled, whereas if Democrats didn't have super-delegates, the race would've been more even-handed between Bernie and Hillary.


Except even without the super delegates, Clinton still beat Sanders.
 
2021-05-07 7:12:19 PM  

DarkDawg: Bith Set Me Up: austerity101: Why aren't the Democrats using drive-up runoff voting, again?

I remember during the 2016 primaries, Trevor Noah thought the two parties would have been better off had they swapped their procedures. If Republicans had super-delegates, Trump could have been better controlled, whereas if Democrats didn't have super-delegates, the race would've been more even-handed between Bernie and Hillary.

Except even without the super delegates, Clinton still beat Sanders.


Now if the dems did winner take all, so like every state sanders won he got all the delegates, then yes, it would have been much closer.  But the dems don;t do it that way
 
2021-05-07 7:14:11 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: austerity101: Why aren't the Democrats using drive-up runoff voting, again?

I remember during the 2016 primaries, Trevor Noah thought the two parties would have been better off had they swapped their procedures. If Republicans had super-delegates, Trump could have been better controlled, whereas if Democrats didn't have super-delegates, the race would've been more even-handed between Bernie and Hillary.


And to be absolutely clear, I'm not saying we should use runoff voting because it means that maybe Sanders would have won. Runoff voting is better than FPTP by nearly every metric in terms of electoral representation. I don't care who wins, but whoever wins in a runoff-vote election earned it a hell of a lot more than someone in a FPTP election. I just want better representation, and I want to minimize and/or eliminate the type of un-democratic strategic voting and spoiler effects that FPTP demands.
 
2021-05-07 7:15:04 PM  
Hell, it might be better by literally every metric. I can't think of one where FPTP is worse. So why aren't we using it? Don't Democrats care about democracy? They sure like to say they do.
 
2021-05-07 7:17:30 PM  
Not a fan of the county weighting they are doing, but most of the rest of it sounds fine.
 
2021-05-07 7:18:44 PM  

austerity101: Bith Set Me Up: austerity101: Why aren't the Democrats using drive-up runoff voting, again?

I remember during the 2016 primaries, Trevor Noah thought the two parties would have been better off had they swapped their procedures. If Republicans had super-delegates, Trump could have been better controlled, whereas if Democrats didn't have super-delegates, the race would've been more even-handed between Bernie and Hillary.

And to be absolutely clear, I'm not saying we should use runoff voting because it means that maybe Sanders would have won. Runoff voting is better than FPTP by nearly every metric in terms of electoral representation. I don't care who wins, but whoever wins in a runoff-vote election earned it a hell of a lot more than someone in a FPTP election. I just want better representation, and I want to minimize and/or eliminate the type of un-democratic strategic voting and spoiler effects that FPTP demands.


austerity101: Hell, it might be better by literally every metric. I can't think of one where FPTP is worse. So why aren't we using it? Don't Democrats care about democracy? They sure like to say they do.


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2021-05-07 7:25:00 PM  
I just drove past a property that had a huge TRUMP FOR VA sign last year.  Now they have one up supporting Pete Someone.  It tells me who not to vote for.
 
2021-05-07 7:27:10 PM  
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2021-05-07 7:37:24 PM  

mistahtom: The actual counting of the ranked-choice ballots doesn't begin until Sunday, and the party chair expects the results to be completed by as early as Tuesday, May 11 and as late as Thursday, May 13.

Is this intentional delay purposely placed so the results are released after the Democrats announce their primary winner?

What's the point of doing all this?


Dem primary isn't until June 8th.
 
2021-05-07 7:37:53 PM  

austerity101: Hell, it might be better by literally every metric. I can't think of one where FPTP is worse. So why aren't we using it? Don't Democrats care about democracy? They sure like to say they do.


The Democrats don't use FPTP for their primaries, dumbass.
 
2021-05-07 7:44:54 PM  
I don't know.  At the point of giving a fark on life in the old USA,
Sign me up for Civil War 2.
 
2021-05-07 7:47:35 PM  
Subby has a weird idea what democracy is. The nominating process is not going to be done by the voters but by  non-elected delegates and some delegates' vote will have more weight than others (basically the more the area they represent wants to kiss the Orange Ass, the more their votes count).
 
2021-05-07 7:51:53 PM  
Bottom line: This is unusual nominating contest - drive-by voting, ranked choice, weighting and a [hand] count that could last for days
 
2021-05-07 8:00:16 PM  

austerity101: Hell, it might be better by literally every metric. I can't think of one where FPTP is worse. So why aren't we using it? Don't Democrats care about democracy? They sure like to say they do.


Susan Collins won with ranked choice.

/got nothin
//FPTP is dumb
///elections via thunderdome
////or ladder match
 
2021-05-07 8:23:55 PM  
Virginia is not a democracy, it's a commonwealth
 
2021-05-07 9:03:20 PM  
Drive by voting and results not being known for days? I was assured by the GQP that these are sure signs of fraud.
 
2021-05-07 9:09:49 PM  
Virginia is a speed trap not a Commonwealth
 
2021-05-07 9:11:10 PM  

Palined Parenthood: Virginia is not a democracy, it's a commonwealth


Your mom is a commonwealth.
 
2021-05-07 9:11:32 PM  

Be polite walk on the right: Virginia is a speed trap not a Commonwealth


Your mom is a... speed trap?
 
2021-05-07 9:48:52 PM  

foo monkey: NewportBarGuy: [Fark user image 425x236]

That's offensive.  I do not have an oxygen tank.


But you have a mini gun mounted on a hoveround? Where'd you find that? Or was it medicare?


/ The big gulp full of green goo is a given, I start every morning with one
 
2021-05-07 10:06:50 PM  
Researching the local races can be very time consuming, and in many cases it is difficult to figure out party affiliations. Most candidate web sites appear to use the same boilerplate, espousing the same "visions for the future". Experience is good, but some candidates look like their career in life is to get elected to any and every job available. I assume that the musical chairs is to try and land one where the grift is available. One house on our block had campaign signs for every (R) running in every race. I should thank them for saving me a ton of time figuring out who NOT to vote for.
 
2021-05-07 10:44:04 PM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: Be polite walk on the right: Virginia is a speed trap not a Commonwealth

Your mom is a... speed trap?


Some kind of trap anyway
 
2021-05-07 10:48:28 PM  
From TFA:

But many people don't know their voter ID, or registration, number - a random nine-digit number that a voter can find by querying a state election website using other personal information, including the last four digits of their Social Security number.

Some local parties started accepting forms without a voter ID number or signature. And so, eventually, the state party allowed them to approve them regardless.

"We received specific guidance from the chair of the credentials committee, who would make final decisions on whether someone's application would be accepted or not, that the only two things that are absolutely required are the voter name and the voter address," said Nicholas Proffitt, the chairman of the Republican Party of Chesapeake and a member of the party's state central committee.

"So if they didn't have a voter number they will be accepted regardless," he added. "I do wish they had enforced needing a signature, because it kind of opens the door to a campaign signing up a bunch of people without their knowledge."


Sounds like a situation just begging for fraudulent ballot stuffing.  Seems like the GOP wasn't all that concerned about that after all.  Do as we say, not as we do.
 
2021-05-07 10:57:34 PM  
Balloting?!

Quick, someone needs to get there with a UV light and a microscope to check for bamboo fibers.

Also needed is people checking for suspicious folds (aka any where the ballot isn't folded into a n origami swastika),

This is also needed to prevent fraud and insure the integrity of the GOP vote.
 
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