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(The Sun (Ireland))   The 'inevitable' war between the US and China will most likely be fought on the massive battlefield that is Africa, thanks to President Xi Jinping staking claim to the continent   (thesun.ie) divider line
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2021-05-07 9:50:27 AM  
Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.
 
2021-05-07 1:08:18 PM  
How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.
 
2021-05-07 2:10:27 PM  

bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.


They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.
 
2021-05-07 2:51:28 PM  
I read that as "President Jumpin' Jiminy".
 
2021-05-07 2:51:55 PM  

BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.


This, China is basically operating out of Western Europe's 19th Century playbook, just with modern communication, logistics, and economic theory.
 
2021-05-07 2:52:59 PM  
Better there than here.

/dnrtfa
 
2021-05-07 2:55:12 PM  
It's a bad strategy for China. They will never hold all of Africa for a whole turn and if they do, it's only 3 armies that they get.
 
2021-05-07 2:55:50 PM  

bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.


Sees what you did there.

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2021-05-07 2:57:02 PM  

BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.


They're already being treated better.

*shrug*
 
2021-05-07 2:57:48 PM  
Of they are investing to build major infrastructure and business there, pretty sure the countries they are dealing with in Africa will be owing them billions, if not trillions for years.
You kind of own them on paper.
 
2021-05-07 2:58:02 PM  

b2theory: Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.


Also get food.
 
2021-05-07 2:58:35 PM  

Clash City Farker: It's a bad strategy for China. They will never hold all of Africa for a whole turn and if they do, it's only 3 armies that they get.


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2021-05-07 2:59:33 PM  
Oh great. The Sun. Now I have to question the very existence of China, Africa and the US.
 
2021-05-07 2:59:36 PM  

BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.


In this case, I see room for "why not both."
 
2021-05-07 3:00:08 PM  
So it has come to this.
 
2021-05-07 3:00:29 PM  

b2theory: Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.


Yes and no. They're also engaging in soft diplomacy with Africa by building infrastructure and funding welfare programs...in exchange for more favorable deals on raw materials like oil and rare earth metals in Africa and political support in international organizations.
 
2021-05-07 3:00:41 PM  

leeksfromchichis: BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.

They're already being treated better.

*shrug*


Yeah, neo-colonialism has a more prominent "honeymoon phase" than paleo-colonialism did.
 
2021-05-07 3:02:06 PM  

Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]


That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.
 
2021-05-07 3:02:20 PM  
I wonder how long it takes african countries to realize this new colonialism and the inevitable nationalization and canceling of debts
 
2021-05-07 3:02:37 PM  

Flab: Clash City Farker: It's a bad strategy for China. They will never hold all of Africa for a whole turn and if they do, it's only 3 armies that they get.

*shakes tiny fist*


*then opens tiny fist to release the dice onto the board*
 
2021-05-07 3:04:31 PM  

bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.


If they think the Chinese are going to treat them any better, I've got some oceanfront property in Montana I'd like to unload.
 
2021-05-07 3:05:13 PM  

bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.


China is merely picking over the bones the west left behind. There is nothing equally beneficial going on here.
 
2021-05-07 3:05:46 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]

That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.


Who is he? I'd like to educate myself.
 
2021-05-07 3:06:15 PM  

b2theory: Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.


I think if Xi's global plan works, China will be the new world power.  If you build the infrastructure, the. Commerce will follow.  It may drive China to the brink of collapse, but if it works, they will be in the global drivers seat and the US will find out how England feels watching the world move on without us, no matter how hard we stomp our feet and chant American first.

It would just fail entirely, but I doubt it. China's political system doesn't suffer the wild mood swings that the US does.
 
2021-05-07 3:06:22 PM  

Clash City Farker: It's a bad strategy for China. They will never hold all of Africa for a whole turn and if they do, it's only 3 armies that they get.


Africa is game to you?
 
2021-05-07 3:06:42 PM  
They think they can power project enough to control Africa?

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Colonialism/Imperialism does not work long term. The locals and any colonists in the region will want autonomy and will seek it violently. Modern technology will make it an even faster process. China would be better off just making the countries they are interested in for resources and labor close allies while leaving their internal politics alone. Better to have a business partner and protectorate than a colony in full revolt.
 
2021-05-07 3:06:48 PM  

peterquince: Lord Dimwit: Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]

That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.

Who is he? I'd like to educate myself.


King Leopold.
 
2021-05-07 3:06:49 PM  

Lord Dimwit: b2theory: Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.

Yes and no. They're also engaging in soft diplomacy with Africa by building infrastructure and funding welfare programs...in exchange for more favorable deals on raw materials like oil and rare earth metals in Africa and political support in international organizations.


Plus the ability to bug the shiat out of Africa's infrastructure.
 
2021-05-07 3:07:39 PM  
It's a big continent, so if we fight a war there, it would be long and hard.

/That's what Xi said!
 
2021-05-07 3:08:14 PM  

peterquince: Lord Dimwit: Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]

That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.

Who is he? I'd like to educate myself.


Leopould Ii
 
2021-05-07 3:08:24 PM  

Lord Dimwit: b2theory: Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.

Yes and no. They're also engaging in soft diplomacy with Africa by building infrastructure and funding welfare programs...in exchange for more favorable deals on raw materials like oil and rare earth metals in Africa and political support in international organizations.


They've been doing the same thing in the Pacific.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-​m​inutes-china-soft-invasion-of-south-pa​cific/71cddbe3-9afa-4b81-bd68-05f0d944​c622
 
2021-05-07 3:08:58 PM  

Subtonic: peterquince: Lord Dimwit: Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]

That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.

Who is he? I'd like to educate myself.

King Leopold.


II?
 
2021-05-07 3:09:04 PM  

SirGunslinger: BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.

This, China is basically operating out of Western Europe's 19th Century playbook, just with modern communication, logistics, and economic theory.


Yeah their belt and road policy is very clever. Build ports, roads, airports and powerplants and get mineral rights. After a few years and some bribes china owns them legally and can do what they want.
 
2021-05-07 3:09:26 PM  
For the betterment of all Africans, the US and it's allies should have, for decades now, been focused on assisting to develop critical medical, economic, and social infrastructure on the continent rather than literally strip-mining it of its resources and spewing industrial waste all over the goddamn place, all for the specific benefit of private enterprises who then grease the wheels of democracy with that sweet, sweet Citizens United money.

China saw an opportunity; the opportunity to turn a continent that the west has exploited for centuries, and they will now levy it's resources, it's people, and it's standoff against the United States and our allies,
 
2021-05-07 3:09:37 PM  

BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.


What are they going to do instead? Work with the EU? With the US? The IMF?

China is building the future they want.  We are stuck whining about the past.  Do you think that is a winning strategy?
 
2021-05-07 3:09:55 PM  
Is that FO6?  Because I am sick of hearing about Alaska, tbh.
 
2021-05-07 3:10:31 PM  

SirGunslinger: BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.

This, China is basically operating out of Western Europe's 19th Century playbook, just with modern communication, logistics, and economic theory.


I don't think they are setting up colonies.  They are setting up markets.  This is much much smarter than Europe colony craze.
 
2021-05-07 3:10:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Clash City Farker: It's a bad strategy for China. They will never hold all of Africa for a whole turn and if they do, it's only 3 armies that they get.

Africa is game to you?


A Risky game.
 
2021-05-07 3:11:05 PM  

peterquince: Subtonic: peterquince: Lord Dimwit: Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]

That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.

Who is he? I'd like to educate myself.

King Leopold.

II?


Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le​opold_​II_of_Belgium
 
2021-05-07 3:11:36 PM  

SirGunslinger: BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.

This, China is basically operating out of Western Europe's 19th Century playbook, just with modern communication, logistics, and economic theory.


Yes and No. Not exactly the same playbook. The goals are the same, acquiring resources (and to a lesser extent support in redrawing the rules of international trade and politics that have been dominated by the West so long. The way they do it is a bit smarter, less meddling in local politics, less proletarizing liberalization and democracy (which in the end tends to benefit mainly Western multinational)   But you are right, not necessarily better for Africa, they'll still be exploited. Although the Chinese have been able achieve certain things such as infrastructure (although mainly built and operate by Chinese, the local economy still benefits) that the West has never sufficiently delivered upon.

By and large, China is gaining influence in Africa at the cost of the West, because they are doing it better. And that stings a bit.
 
2021-05-07 3:12:06 PM  

Pinner: You kind of own them on paper.


Until they have the next revolution.
 
2021-05-07 3:12:20 PM  

Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image 640x342]


I get it about Colonial Africa , but If anyone thinks China's going to treat them any better than Cecil Rhodes did or even King Leopoldo, I reckon they won't be much better.
 
2021-05-07 3:12:51 PM  

bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.


Lolzz

The west has laid flowers at african feet and this is how they treat us!!!!

[ stomps out of thread with righteous indignation]
 
2021-05-07 3:13:42 PM  
This is published in The Sun, so I now doubt the existence of Africa and armies.
 
2021-05-07 3:13:59 PM  

BigNumber12: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

They should probably do some research on the Chinese if they're thinking that they're going to be treated better and more respectfully this way.


Them slant eyes is so cruel!!

Pot calling kettle black
 
2021-05-07 3:14:04 PM  

Saiga410: I wonder how long it takes african countries to realize this new colonialism and the inevitable nationalization and canceling of debts


The Chinese are smart, instead of marching in and setting up their own administration ala "the scramble for Africa" they come in and grease the palms of whoever's in charge.  That way they get all the resources they want and never have to worry about putting down uprisings.  By the time anyone has figured out what's happening The Chinese are back home with their spoils, the former leaders and their families are living it up in exile, and the countries are left with massive debt and no resources to sell.
 
2021-05-07 3:14:52 PM  

sleze: Better there than here.

/dnrtfa


Not on your lawn by God!!

What would Jesus do??
 
2021-05-07 3:15:16 PM  
1/3 of Africa is essentially uninhabitable now. In 50 years, that'll be 2/3rds. WTF will we be fighting for, Madagascar?
 
2021-05-07 3:15:36 PM  

peterquince: Lord Dimwit: Evil Mackerel: bikkurikun: How dare those Africans deal with the Chinese after the West has treated Africa so kindly for the past two centuries.

Sees what you did there.

[Fark user image image 640x342]

That man is one of history's greatest monsters and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao is a disgustingly lucky break for the Belgians.

Who is he? I'd like to educate myself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold​_​II_of_Belgium#Exploitation,_atrocities​,_and_death_toll
 
2021-05-07 3:15:46 PM  

b2theory: Wow, The Sun.ie is a garbage publication. TLDR, China's "investments" in Africa have nothing to do with a Cold War style proxy adventure. China has very serious economic issues. Those investments are a way to prop up their domestic construction and raw materials industries.


But Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!
 
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