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(CNN)   If it's not Elvis, The Beatles, and Led Zeppelin profiting from black music, it's Posh Spice saying she influenced Beyonce   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-05-06 2:18:20 PM  
We are so lame!
 
2021-05-06 2:55:57 PM  
Only cave people should be allowed to paint.

All art is derivative. Robert Johnson was an amazing guitarist, but he didn't invent the instrument.
 
2021-05-06 2:56:37 PM  
It's a tough call... both Artists produce incredibly cerebral, thought-provoking works of genius.
 
2021-05-06 2:57:40 PM  
 Spice Girls were influenced by En Vogue by that logic.


No you never gonna get it!
 
2021-05-06 2:57:42 PM  
I mean, Beyonce said that, so it's not like it needs to be an outrage.  But she was probably just being nice.
 
2021-05-06 3:04:46 PM  
She pronounces it Posh Spis-a ?
 
2021-05-06 3:24:25 PM  
Considering Destiny's Child started before Spice Girls was even a thing and they both broke about the same time, I've gotta call bullshiat on this.
 
2021-05-06 3:35:03 PM  
I influenced an after-school special about stranger danger, but you don't see me bragging about it.
 
2021-05-06 3:52:11 PM  
I mean... she probably did, to an extent?

Pop music has basically universal market penetration, that's what defines it as "pop".  The likelihood of a later pop act's member having listened to a given previous top-40 regular enough to influence their own work to some degree is literally 100%.  For other pop acts that got popular at the same time... 90% at the smallest.

I mean, potentially that influence could take the form of "man, that's annoying and it sucks, I'm going to avoid doing anything like it at all costs" but you're not gonna farking tell someone that about their own work when you meet them at a party.

// The issue with Led Zeppelin was appropriating actual songs whole-cloth to do (admittedly modified well past the point of being legally distinct) what were basically uncredited covers of a specific individual's published and copyrighted work.  The Beatles did not do that to my knowledge, and Elvis tended to mine general spirituals whose original authors were already super dead in the 1800s, and which he'd have been exposed to as much as a kid as any contemporary black person.  Subby is making some really strained and stupid equivalences, there.  Like if you're setting the bar for where influence becomes theft at Elvis, all those black people never had music in the first place because it belongs to the Catholic Church and Buddy Holly to begin with.
 
2021-05-06 3:53:10 PM  
Nearly all modern music (pop, rock, metal, jazz, blues, RnB, hip-hop, even country) can be traced back to musical styles brought over from Africa by the early slaves.  European music had very strict rules and methods that had to be followed.  Early American colonies got bored with it and decided they liked the sounds of the more diverse music from the African cultures and started mixing the two.

/If we are being technical.
 
2021-05-06 4:03:12 PM  
But Beyoncé isn't a self absorbed anorexic fake boobed succubus.

Try harder, Posh.
 
2021-05-06 4:09:31 PM  

WhippingBoi: It's a tough call... both Artists produce incredibly cerebral, thought-provoking works of genius.


Can you pay my telephone bills?
Can you pay my automobiles?
Can you pay my totalfark bills?

I. Don't. Think. You. Can.

So. I. Will. Start. A. Band.
 
2021-05-06 4:19:05 PM  

Driedsponge: Nearly all modern music (pop, rock, metal, jazz, blues, RnB, hip-hop, even country) can be traced back to musical styles brought over from Africa by the early slaves.  European music had very strict rules and methods that had to be followed.  Early American colonies got bored with it and decided they liked the sounds of the more diverse music from the African cultures and started mixing the two.

/If we are being technical.


The primary 'white' influence on ragtime (the granddaddy genre you're referencing here) wasn't European classical music, it was European military music, and that indirectly by way of American military music and then Sousa et al's popular "marching band" style.  Even in the european roots the military styles were (perhaps ironically) a lot looser and less narrowly defined than what we now think of as 'classical' European music, and the marching band version was (to use an anachronistic term since jazz was a later thing) jazzed way the fark up even before African polyrhythms started getting tossed in.

But yeah, you couldn't have designed an origin story more tailor-made to piss off a racist than the branch of music you're discussing, the fact that it was basically a completely good-faith mix of white and black traditions that made both indisputably better fully explains why the farkers still have a bug up their ass about it over a century and a half later and still go on about the "devil's music".  Especially since the folding in of Gospel music later is an additional reminder that there was technically already a style of music that bordered on being completely common to white and black people.

// Like... note that you don't ever get huge backlash over, say, the divergence of the gospel tradition itself in black churches from how hymns are usually performed in white ones.  It's not really the idea of black people having music that puts the bee up the klan hoods, it's that the mix of white and black traditions is so much better and more popular than either of the two individually.  I mean, accepting the idea that 'white' and 'black' were ever really valid categories describing real cultural distinctions in the first place, which is something of a dodgy premise from a non-racist's perspective.

// Scott Joplin was a musical god, if you're actually unfamiliar with ragtime and weren't just leaving it off the list accidentally.  You should for sure look up his shiat, it's basically "all of America at once, for the solo pianist".  And in addition to being a black man with a 'white' education, dude was blue-collar as fark, he was a rail worker from a family of the same.  If the farking boomers weren't such a pack of narcissistic assholes who insist that only things that happened during their generation count as history, he'd probably be a much bigger deal during the black history month stuff.  Given that he basically invented two-thirds of American music and all.
 
2021-05-06 4:33:32 PM  

Driedsponge: Nearly all modern music (pop, rock, metal, jazz, blues, RnB, hip-hop, even country) can be traced back to musical styles brought over from Africa by the early slaves.  European music had very strict rules and methods that had to be followed.  Early American colonies got bored with it and decided they liked the sounds of the more diverse music from the African cultures and started mixing the two.

/If we are being technical.


You're not completely wrong, but I'm going to have to smack you through the internet for two and a half to three things:

(1) the word you're looking for is "ragtime", it is awesome, and it can actually be in large part attributed to one extremely blue-collar dude with some Mozart-level infinite fountains of genius: Scott Joplin, the man who single-handedly invented what amounts to 2/3 of modern American music.

(2) the "white" component of the sounds came from European military music and European religious hymns, not so much the narrowly-defined and tightly formalized classical style you're referencing, for the most part (though individual influences always vary, you can certainly feel Mozart in some of Joplin's pieces).  Joplin's work explicitly drew from the marching-band style of Sousa, which was already basically a jazzy, poppy version of actual military stuff.

(3) the significance of this being a mix of what a contemporary American would call "white music" and what they'd call "black music" can't be overstated, because it's actually the reason for over a century and a half and counting of racist backlash against every branch of the tree.  If it was "just" African-inspired none of the klan hoods would give a shiat (they don't make a big deal about how gospel has slowly diverged from ecumenical hymns more generally over the years, for instance), it's specifically that it mixes the two traditions to produce something better than either (y'know, like music does) that's put seven generations of bugs up their asses.
 
2021-05-06 4:35:16 PM  
The least talented Spice?
 
2021-05-06 4:41:06 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Driedsponge: Nearly all modern music (pop, rock, metal, jazz, blues, RnB, hip-hop, even country) can be traced back to musical styles brought over from Africa by the early slaves.  European music had very strict rules and methods that had to be followed.  Early American colonies got bored with it and decided they liked the sounds of the more diverse music from the African cultures and started mixing the two.

/If we are being technical.

You're not completely wrong, but I'm going to have to smack you through the internet for two and a half to three things:

(1) the word you're looking for is "ragtime", it is awesome, and it can actually be in large part attributed to one extremely blue-collar dude with some Mozart-level infinite fountains of genius: Scott Joplin, the man who single-handedly invented what amounts to 2/3 of modern American music.

(2) the "white" component of the sounds came from European military music and European religious hymns, not so much the narrowly-defined and tightly formalized classical style you're referencing, for the most part (though individual influences always vary, you can certainly feel Mozart in some of Joplin's pieces).  Joplin's work explicitly drew from the marching-band style of Sousa, which was already basically a jazzy, poppy version of actual military stuff.

(3) the significance of this being a mix of what a contemporary American would call "white music" and what they'd call "black music" can't be overstated, because it's actually the reason for over a century and a half and counting of racist backlash against every branch of the tree.  If it was "just" African-inspired none of the klan hoods would give a shiat (they don't make a big deal about how gospel has slowly diverged from ecumenical hymns more generally over the years, for instance), it's specifically that it mixes the two traditions to produce something better than either (y'know, like music does) that's put seven generations of bugs up their asses.


Yes, you mentioned.  I smarted you the first time.
 
2021-05-06 5:02:36 PM  
Millennials still trying to ruin the Beatles:
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2021-05-06 5:06:26 PM  

Already Disturbed: The least talented Spice?


Only only one in 5 women are like that, not one  in two, like you and Skeletor think
 
2021-05-06 5:10:10 PM  

LewDux: Already Disturbed: The least talented Spice?

Only only one in 5 women are like that, not one  in two, like you and Skeletor think


TMWRNJ - The Spice Girls
Youtube RnF3CXE2doY
 
2021-05-06 5:24:47 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Subby is making some really strained and stupid equivalences, there.


Article is not even about musical inspiration
 
2021-05-06 6:20:32 PM  
Chuck Berry stole the white man's music from Marty McFly.
 
2021-05-06 7:22:43 PM  

LewDux: Already Disturbed: The least talented Spice?

Only only one in 5 women are like that, not one  in two, like you and Skeletor think


Skeletor being sexiest. :D
Youtube BE2xoBJ7WvQ


and being sexist too.
 
2021-05-06 8:22:50 PM  

Driedsponge: Nearly all modern music (pop, rock, metal, jazz, blues, RnB, hip-hop, even country) can be traced back to musical styles brought over from Africa by the early slaves.  European music had very strict rules and methods that had to be followed.  Early American colonies got bored with it and decided they liked the sounds of the more diverse music from the African cultures and started mixing the two.

/If we are being technical.


Classical sure but whatever.  Everyone is overlooking scot/irish folk that took up some african beat and begat bluegrass.  Which formed the basis for rockabilly>rock and country.
 
2021-05-06 9:02:34 PM  
Wow. You can still troll Farkers into whining about a headline.
 
2021-05-07 12:26:20 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: We are so lame!


PAT BOONE on TV 1957 singing TUTTI FRUTTI FRUITI little richard
Youtube DAwBa8Pqi6Y
 
2021-05-07 12:58:04 AM  

invictus2: The Googles Do Nothing: We are so lame!

[YouTube video: PAT BOONE on TV 1957 singing TUTTI FRUTTI FRUITI little richard]


The real show is the soda Jerk resisting the urge to look up.
 
2021-05-07 3:47:32 AM  
well... considering destinys child started around 1990 and spice girls started around 1997 I call bs
 
2021-05-07 3:55:01 AM  

boohyah: well... considering destinys child started around 1990 and spice girls started around 1997 I call bs


if only where was some miraculous way to find out what was really said.
 
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