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2021-05-06 1:23:33 PM  
What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o
 
2021-05-06 1:32:04 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o


Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking
 
2021-05-06 1:39:47 PM  

somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking


To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.
 
2021-05-06 1:55:10 PM  

phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.


Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs
 
2021-05-06 2:07:22 PM  

somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs


Yeah, but the Germans are hilariously risk-adverse.  The last time they took any initiative, the Americans shoved half the free world up their Bulge.
 
2021-05-06 2:12:59 PM  

phalamir: somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs

Yeah, but the Germans are hilariously risk-adverse.  The last time they took any initiative, the Americans shoved half the free world up their Bulge.


True, that's why I trust their NPPs more than, say, Putin's
 
2021-05-06 2:25:31 PM  
"Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."
 
2021-05-06 2:27:33 PM  

NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."


Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.
 
2021-05-06 2:55:04 PM  
From Vlad's email inbox...

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2021-05-06 2:56:56 PM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.


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2021-05-06 2:56:59 PM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.


So wait, both the Poles and the Russians end up in hell in your feverish scenario?

Weird.

Congrats on Greenlight #8781.  Hope you're getting paid.
 
2021-05-06 2:57:08 PM  

somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs


I'd be concerned about Russian sabotage, especially since everything is so computerized nowadays.
 
2021-05-06 2:57:29 PM  
Oh no, he'll have to buy tracksuits at NordStream Rack instead.
 
2021-05-06 3:01:43 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o


They think Godzilla was a documentary. And don't care nearly as much about global warming as they pretend to bleat about.
 
2021-05-06 3:01:48 PM  
FTFA:  Due to the lawsuit, the permit for Nord Stream 2 AG, Gazprom's Swiss-registered subsidiary, had been temporarily suspended, BSH told Interfax.
 
2021-05-06 3:02:54 PM  
3rd time apparently not a charm as Putin tries to carve out a pipeline to the EU that bypasses Ukraine?

Sucks to be a murderous dictator for life.
 
2021-05-06 3:03:37 PM  

phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.


Chernobyl 2.0 right next to Frankfurt? Not great, not terrible.
 
2021-05-06 3:06:08 PM  

jethroe: FTFA:  Due to the lawsuit, the permit for Nord Stream 2 AG, Gazprom's Swiss-registered subsidiary, had been temporarily suspended, BSH told Interfax.


Yeah, this isn't Germany saying no.  This is a lawsuit by German environmentalists that will only be a temporary speed bump.
 
2021-05-06 3:06:28 PM  
"spanning the area of more than 16 soccer fields."

The soccer field being the standard unit of measurement in Europe.
 
2021-05-06 3:09:05 PM  

somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs


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2021-05-06 3:10:42 PM  

lilplatinum: "spanning the area of more than 16 soccer fields."

The soccer field being the standard unit of measurement in Europe.


I wonder of there is an online "soccer field to football field" converter tool.
 
2021-05-06 3:11:53 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o


They thought Dark was a documentary.
 
2021-05-06 3:15:51 PM  

Troy McClure: jethroe: FTFA:  Due to the lawsuit, the permit for Nord Stream 2 AG, Gazprom's Swiss-registered subsidiary, had been temporarily suspended, BSH told Interfax.

Yeah, this isn't Germany saying no.  This is a lawsuit by German environmentalists that will only be a temporary speed bump.


What are the odds the German environmentalists don't wear underpants that the Kremlin could poison?
 
2021-05-06 3:17:16 PM  
"What all this about how I can't shop at Nordstrom anymore?"
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2021-05-06 3:22:29 PM  

somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking


Well... and all that nuclear waste. Personally  I think nuclear power is awesome but as a species we are going to have to deal with the consequences eventually. I can imagine the people far in the future  being horrified that our solution for the stuff was to just toss it into abandoned mines.
 
2021-05-06 3:24:13 PM  

somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs


This is the bugaboo with nuclear power: The odds, as you call them, are not static. The probability of a something going blooey approaches 1 the more time goes on. And while we don't know the precise nature or timing of events inside it during the clusterfark - not least because those motherfarkers are all dead - Chernobyl wasn't a meltdown. Chernobyl was an accident and it began as a safety test; it could have happened to anyone operating that design of plant - even the holy technologists in Germany. We know better now than to design the control rods in a way that pushes water out of the reactor first and workers know better now than to go out after the explosions (the second of which, luckily, blew apart the reactor enough to stop the uncontrolled chain reaction that had begun) and stare at the pretty blue beam of ionizing radiation as the exposed reactor core irradiates the planet to a measurable degree. We didn't know it then. But we know it now. No starey at blue beamy; bad for the liver. 

Nuclear power plants are the shiat. They are awesome. They're maybe the best use of complex tech we've yet come up with. I think they're super cool but in an age of well-developed solar, wind and hydro cannot wish for more of them because they're also godawful catastrophes waiting to happen. We are still too stupid to safely operate this technology. And we've been incredibly lucky so far.
 
2021-05-06 3:26:52 PM  

NM Volunteer: somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yes, but what are the odds of Germany having NPPs that were so shiatty that a total meltdown along the lines of Chernobyl or Fukushima would take some serious acts of god to happen.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs

I'd be concerned about Russian sabotage, especially since everything is so computerized nowadays.


Does the wind travel East to West in Europe?  If so, I'm not sure Russia would want to do that...
 
2021-05-06 3:27:13 PM  

somedude210: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.


It was the Merkel (II) government, a centrist liberal coalition.

I trust their quality control over Soviet/Russian NPPs

I grew up close to this one. My Dad used to work in nuclear waste analytics. After Germany's decision to phase out NPPs he baffled me by calling that a good idea. "A disaster in Germany like the one in Fukushima would reveal the same levels of ill-preparedness, incompetence, irresponsibility and corruption."
 
2021-05-06 3:30:59 PM  
That's going to piss him right the fark off. I'm sure he'll bring a larger dog to his next visit with Merkel.
 
2021-05-06 3:31:23 PM  

Troy McClure: jethroe: FTFA:  Due to the lawsuit, the permit for Nord Stream 2 AG, Gazprom's Swiss-registered subsidiary, had been temporarily suspended, BSH told Interfax.

Yeah, this isn't Germany saying no.  This is a lawsuit by German environmentalists that will only be a temporary speed bump.


Yep. I was going to be floored if Germany had actually cancelled the project, at this stage. That would have been a huge farking deal.
 
2021-05-06 3:32:16 PM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_St​r​eam
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The first line was built entirely in 2011.and then a 2nd line added. Nord Stream 2 just adds 2 more lines.
 
2021-05-06 3:34:10 PM  

RTOGUY: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

Well... and all that nuclear waste. Personally  I think nuclear power is awesome but as a species we are going to have to deal with the consequences eventually. I can imagine the people far in the future  being horrified that our solution for the stuff was to just toss it into abandoned mines.


"All that nuclear waste" compared to mega tons of carbon dioxide.

Oh and there isn't that much waste, to be honest, particularly if you allow reprocessing. But like I said, opposition to nuclear power does not come from a logical place. Any look at the facts would indicate that if we had gone nuclear in the 70s and 80s, we would have slowed warming enough that we would not be in crisis mode now. We didn't and we are.

That said, that does not mean that we should be building crap tons of nuclear plants now. Some may be needed, but renewables are much further along than they were in the 70s and 80s.
 
2021-05-06 3:35:13 PM  

jethroe: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.

So wait, both the Poles and the Russians end up in hell in your feverish scenario?

Weird.

Congrats on Greenlight #8781.  Hope you're getting paid.


I mean, technically, they killed someone so yeah, they'd be going to hell.

But you do you. Keep trying to make my greenlight # an attack. It just makes you look like an idiot, but it is entertaining
 
2021-05-06 3:35:30 PM  

Candy Colored Clown: That's going to piss him right the fark off. I'm sure he'll bring a larger dog to his next visit with Merkel.


Trump doesn't like traveling.
 
2021-05-06 3:49:52 PM  

CheatCommando: RTOGUY: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

Well... and all that nuclear waste. Personally  I think nuclear power is awesome but as a species we are going to have to deal with the consequences eventually. I can imagine the people far in the future  being horrified that our solution for the stuff was to just toss it into abandoned mines.

"All that nuclear waste" compared to mega tons of carbon dioxide.


Don't forget coal ash. We generate something like 100 million tons of it a year, and more than half of it just goes into landfills and ponds.
 
2021-05-06 3:53:00 PM  

Jiggatron69: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.

[pics.me.me image 500x684]


It's always interesting to see the various numbers of deaths that people attribute to Germany in WWII. I have no idea, for example, what "14 million" would correspond to.
 
2021-05-06 3:54:05 PM  
Will this work? May be a year behind styles, but will save a few bucks.
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2021-05-06 4:08:05 PM  

phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.


Yeah, put the nuke plants near places like Dresden, or Hamburg where they are pretty used to losing an entire city, upward of 40k civilians in one night of horror... and so forth... no big deal.
 
2021-05-06 4:16:13 PM  

BigNumber12: Jiggatron69: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.

[pics.me.me image 500x684]

It's always interesting to see the various numbers of deaths that people attribute to Germany in WWII. I have no idea, for example, what "14 million" would correspond to.


Probably have to look at local school textbooks to see how each user is presented with the data behind WWII.
 
2021-05-06 4:29:28 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Oh no, he'll have to buy tracksuits at NordStream Rack instead.


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2021-05-06 4:40:50 PM  

somedude210: jethroe: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.

So wait, both the Poles and the Russians end up in hell in your feverish scenario?

Weird.

Congrats on Greenlight #8781.  Hope you're getting paid.

I mean, technically, they killed someone so yeah, they'd be going to hell.

But you do you. Keep trying to make my greenlight # an attack. It just makes you look like an idiot, but it is entertaining


LOL  ok

I wonder in how many of those 8700+ greenlit threads you had to read "oh fark off submitter".

I'm saying 1/3 of the time.

I imagine you own a pool supply company or a Seadoo dealership and you sit in your office all day submitting dumb articles that nobody ever reads on a tiny niche website.  Way to live your life like a BOSS, bro!  Woohoo!
 
2021-05-06 4:45:04 PM  
If Pootie wants a pipeline, he'll have to suck Merckel's clitoromegally.

Ha Ha.jpg
 
2021-05-06 4:46:45 PM  

BigNumber12: CheatCommando: RTOGUY: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

Well... and all that nuclear waste. Personally  I think nuclear power is awesome but as a species we are going to have to deal with the consequences eventually. I can imagine the people far in the future  being horrified that our solution for the stuff was to just toss it into abandoned mines.

"All that nuclear waste" compared to mega tons of carbon dioxide.

Don't forget coal ash. We generate something like 100 million tons of it a year, and more than half of it just goes into landfills and ponds.


And it creates more radiation than nuclear plants.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/ar​t​icle/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than​-nuclear-waste/
 
2021-05-06 4:53:39 PM  

special20: phalamir: somedude210: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Anti-nuclear power folks don't always think their cunning plans through all the way.

Sometimes the fear of Chernobyl 2 is stronger than fear of Global Cooking

To be fair, Chernobyl DosPointOh just outside Frankfurt would be many, many times worse than Chernobyl Original Recipe was.

Yeah, put the nuke plants near places like Dresden, or Hamburg where they are pretty used to losing an entire city, upward of 40k civilians in one night of horror... and so forth... no big deal.


The French have the answer to siting their nuclear power stations.

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They put them as far into Belgium as possible,
 
2021-05-06 5:09:11 PM  

jethroe: somedude210: jethroe: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.

So wait, both the Poles and the Russians end up in hell in your feverish scenario?

Weird.

Congrats on Greenlight #8781.  Hope you're getting paid.

I mean, technically, they killed someone so yeah, they'd be going to hell.

But you do you. Keep trying to make my greenlight # an attack. It just makes you look like an idiot, but it is entertaining

LOL  ok

I wonder in how many of those 8700+ greenlit threads you had to read "oh fark off submitter".

I'm saying 1/3 of the time.

I imagine you own a pool supply company or a Seadoo dealership and you sit in your office all day submitting dumb articles that nobody ever reads on a tiny niche website.  Way to live your life like a BOSS, bro!  Woohoo!


Despite what you may think, my headlines are merely a hobby. And you're really the only one upset that I submit headlines, also the only one who gives two shiats.


Seriously, you're a sad, pathetic man. You really need to find something better than trying to attack me for my headlines.

You look pathetic, and a bit petty if that's literally the only thing you can attack me with. It's sad, I expect more from my stalkers
 
2021-05-06 5:28:04 PM  

BigNumber12: Jiggatron69: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: "Velll, comrade. I do have these 20,000 tanks you know."

Poland would like this. They may get their asses kicked, but they will take as many Russians to hell with them in the process.

[pics.me.me image 500x684]

It's always interesting to see the various numbers of deaths that people attribute to Germany in WWII. I have no idea, for example, what "14 million" would correspond to.


Also, why the Indonesian flag there...?
 
2021-05-06 5:53:50 PM  
It's about god damn farking time. When even the Trump administration was against something fossil fuel-related, you know it was a shiatty idea.

Now let's hope there isn't suddenly a mysterious need to put more troops in Syria. I have a bad feeling that's where this is headed.
 
2021-05-06 6:27:36 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o


Jesus, no they haven't. Coal barely saw an uptick after nukes started being decommissioned. Within 6 years it was back down to pre-denuke levels. Renewables increased the most in the aftermath.
 
2021-05-06 6:38:47 PM  

Troy McClure: jethroe: FTFA:  Due to the lawsuit, the permit for Nord Stream 2 AG, Gazprom's Swiss-registered subsidiary, had been temporarily suspended, BSH told Interfax.

Yeah, this isn't Germany saying no.  This is a lawsuit by German environmentalists that will only be a temporary speed bump.


This might be the case, but governments rarely pull permits without the court saying they need to stop, so this was kinda proactive.
I hope it has to do with a recent Gean supreme Court decision that says something like environment/climate change issues have to be a primary consideration of the government, which could mean they think the project will get killed in the courts.
 
2021-05-06 7:10:51 PM  

His Mexcellency: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: What baffles me is that German Greens have shut down nuclear power plants to be replaced by plants... burning brown coal.

O_o

Jesus, no they haven't. Coal barely saw an uptick after nukes started being decommissioned. Within 6 years it was back down to pre-denuke levels. Renewables increased the most in the aftermath.


I had listened to a BBC podcast about Elements; one of their (multiple) casts about Carbon, was a debate between two German activists on each side of nuclear power, but it was probably about 10 years old or so, so...
 
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