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(The Intercept)   The Feds can now access the private data on your phone through your car, citizen   (theintercept.com) divider line
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777 clicks; posted to STEM » on 06 May 2021 at 2:55 PM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-05-06 2:24:42 PM  
*looks at 8-track player*

*Chuckles*
 
2021-05-06 2:57:31 PM  
My car has Lucas electrics. They can't even access my car through my car...
 
2021-05-06 2:57:55 PM  

vudukungfu: *looks at 8-track player*

*Chuckles*


That's funny... I'd chuckle at your 8track player, too.
 
2021-05-06 3:08:14 PM  
Don't drive, I should be safe...
 
2021-05-06 3:09:12 PM  
The phone I use in my car for listening to music is no longer an active phone, and hasn't been for a long time.  No SIM, never connects to wifi, just an ancient (by today's standards) Galaxy S4 with a micro SD loaded with music.
 
2021-05-06 3:13:56 PM  
Good thing my truck's dumb as a box of rocks...
 
2021-05-06 3:15:59 PM  
You already had your smartphone on you. nothing actually different is going on, the phone already  knows where you are, where you go, and who your friends are. Just now your car and your smartphone might talk about it, but that did not actually add more important location data to your record than was already being put there. But now how fast you went in that 35 zone might be noticed.

Really this article is acting as if something new and different is suddenly going on when it's not, we already had the phone tracking this data on us for years now. Just now the car dealership might get an app hook in to also monetize our data.
big whoop
 
2021-05-06 3:24:34 PM  
It is mildly concerning that my OnStar equipped car tracks location as well as my phone. I know how to turn off location tracking on my phone if I feel like it, but not my car.
 
2021-05-06 3:26:55 PM  
Good luck with that.

/Have never owned a car newer than 2005
 
2021-05-06 3:32:27 PM  
There's not a lot of detail about the specifics of what kinds of connections leave this data. Seems like you would be vulnerable if you pair your phone with your car via Bluetooth and the infotainment system imports in all the information from your phone and displays it via the car's own system. If you've ever rented a car and found the contacts and text messages of everyone who has previously paired their phone to the car, you know how obvious of a security hole this is.

On the other hand, you would think that something like CarPlay or Android Auto would not share as much information with the vehicle because it is just using the touchscreen as a display for what is on the phone, and no personal data is synced to the car's infotainment system.
 
2021-05-06 3:40:00 PM  
How I connect my phone to my car.

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2021-05-06 3:40:15 PM  

PvtStash: You already had your smartphone on you. nothing actually different is going on, the phone already  knows where you are, where you go, and who your friends are. Just now your car and your smartphone might talk about it, but that did not actually add more important location data to your record than was already being put there. But now how fast you went in that 35 zone might be noticed.

Really this article is acting as if something new and different is suddenly going on when it's not, we already had the phone tracking this data on us for years now. Just now the car dealership might get an app hook in to also monetize our data.
big whoop


What's new and different is that the phone data that you've been carrying around in your phone becomes more accessible via the car once you pair it with your car.  However secure your phone is, once it's connected to your car, it's only as secure as the car.  Basic networking.
 
2021-05-06 3:41:17 PM  

Mad_Radhu: There's not a lot of detail about the specifics of what kinds of connections leave this data. Seems like you would be vulnerable if you pair your phone with your car via Bluetooth and the infotainment system imports in all the information from your phone and displays it via the car's own system. If you've ever rented a car and found the contacts and text messages of everyone who has previously paired their phone to the car, you know how obvious of a security hole this is.

On the other hand, you would think that something like CarPlay or Android Auto would not share as much information with the vehicle because it is just using the touchscreen as a display for what is on the phone, and no personal data is synced to the car's infotainment system.


Also, seems like Apple/Android or maybe a private developer could create an app to wipe that data from the car with a tap.  They could call it CarSlay.
 
2021-05-06 3:54:49 PM  
I just figure everything I own is spying on me.
 
2021-05-06 3:57:43 PM  
Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.
 
2021-05-06 4:13:43 PM  
Tesla is known for their use of very granular logging of driver interactions.  It was a major factor with their premature SSD failures a while back.  I'd like to know if other vehicle manufacturers are logging to the same extent.

Also, I'm waiting for someone to come up with a device that you leave in your car's diagnostic port that scrubs this information each night or when you manually choose to.
 
2021-05-06 4:50:32 PM  
Put that on the list of reasons I don't care to have a car newer than about 2010.

The other primary entry on the list being "shiat standby battery life."
 
2021-05-06 5:06:38 PM  

ImOscar: How I connect my phone to my car.

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I have one that plugs into the phone, and to a cassette, and that cassette plugs into an 8-track
that is fed through an equalizer.

Proxies, man.
 
2021-05-06 5:09:03 PM  

PvtStash: You already had your smartphone on you.


No I don't.  I don't have a cell phone, smart or dumb.
 
2021-05-06 5:15:32 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.


The problem with that is that it would be suspicious that you left your phone at home, and it didn't do anything.  You weren't surfing the web, texting, watching streaming services, e-mailing, etc.  You didn't make any calls.  The phone didn't move at all.

Also, you won't know if or when they become interested in you.  The NSA searches 3 connections deep.  So maybe you're being watched, not because of your actions, and not because of the actions of some you know, but because of a complete stranger who knows your acquaintance.
 
2021-05-06 5:39:09 PM  

dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.

The problem with that is that it would be suspicious that you left your phone at home, and it didn't do anything.  You weren't surfing the web, texting, watching streaming services, e-mailing, etc.  You didn't make any calls.  The phone didn't move at all.

Also, you won't know if or when they become interested in you.  The NSA searches 3 connections deep.  So maybe you're being watched, not because of your actions, and not because of the actions of some you know, but because of a complete stranger who knows your acquaintance.


You act as if I care though, but I don't. I am not on anyone's radar because I lead a squeaky clean life. If the government ever gets to the point where such things would be such a concern I have enough money and family influence to buy my way out of trouble, or they'll give me a cigarette and a blindfold and that will be that. I will not live my life as a luddite because of fear of some 1984-esque government.

Besides, that is what we have you and your folk for in case the government gets out of control. Sure, black powder isn't an A-10, but it is something.
 
2021-05-06 6:55:59 PM  

NuclearPenguins: dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.

The problem with that is that it would be suspicious that you left your phone at home, and it didn't do anything.  You weren't surfing the web, texting, watching streaming services, e-mailing, etc.  You didn't make any calls.  The phone didn't move at all.

Also, you won't know if or when they become interested in you.  The NSA searches 3 connections deep.  So maybe you're being watched, not because of your actions, and not because of the actions of some you know, but because of a complete stranger who knows your acquaintance.

You act as if I care though, but I don't. I am not on anyone's radar because I lead a squeaky clean life. If the government ever gets to the point where such things would be such a concern I have enough money and family influence to buy my way out of trouble, or they'll give me a cigarette and a blindfold and that will be that. I will not live my life as a luddite because of fear of some 1984-esque government.

Besides, that is what we have you and your folk for in case the government gets out of control. Sure, black powder isn't an A-10, but it is something.


You don't know if you're on a list.  You don't what the criteria is.  Maybe a joking post here on Fark put you on one.  Or maybe a friend of a friend is on a list.  Hell, maybe you're on a list because you and I have interacted.

And they won't tell you if are.
 
2021-05-06 7:01:37 PM  

dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.

The problem with that is that it would be suspicious that you left your phone at home, and it didn't do anything.  You weren't surfing the web, texting, watching streaming services, e-mailing, etc.  You didn't make any calls.  The phone didn't move at all.

Also, you won't know if or when they become interested in you.  The NSA searches 3 connections deep.  So maybe you're being watched, not because of your actions, and not because of the actions of some you know, but because of a complete stranger who knows your acquaintance.

You act as if I care though, but I don't. I am not on anyone's radar because I lead a squeaky clean life. If the government ever gets to the point where such things would be such a concern I have enough money and family influence to buy my way out of trouble, or they'll give me a cigarette and a blindfold and that will be that. I will not live my life as a luddite because of fear of some 1984-esque government.

Besides, that is what we have you and your folk for in case the government gets out of control. Sure, black powder isn't an A-10, but it is something.

You don't know if you're on a list.  You don't what the criteria is.  Maybe a joking post here on Fark put you on one.  Or maybe a friend of a friend is on a list.  Hell, maybe you're on a list because you and I have interacted.

And they won't tell you if are.


Again, meh. I'm not going to let it bother me. And if I am, that has got to be one boring list.
 
2021-05-06 7:14:08 PM  

dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.

The problem with that is that it would be suspicious that you left your phone at home, and it didn't do anything.  You weren't surfing the web, texting, watching streaming services, e-mailing, etc.  You didn't make any calls.  The phone didn't move at all.

Also, you won't know if or when they become interested in you.  The NSA searches 3 connections deep.  So maybe you're being watched, not because of your actions, and not because of the actions of some you know, but because of a complete stranger who knows your acquaintance.

You act as if I care though, but I don't. I am not on anyone's radar because I lead a squeaky clean life. If the government ever gets to the point where such things would be such a concern I have enough money and family influence to buy my way out of trouble, or they'll give me a cigarette and a blindfold and that will be that. I will not live my life as a luddite because of fear of some 1984-esque government.

Besides, that is what we have you and your folk for in case the government gets out of control. Sure, black powder isn't an A-10, but it is something.

You don't know if you're on a list.  You don't what the criteria is.  Maybe a joking post here on Fark put you on one.  Or maybe a friend of a friend is on a list.  Hell, maybe you're on a list because you and I have interacted.

And they won't tell you if are.


I was put on a list.

farker shoved coal in my sock : (

Jokes on him though, I made sure to use that coal to keep the chimney nice and toasty on his next trip down.
 
2021-05-06 11:08:37 PM  
If you're not speaking critically of people in power, or people seeking more power, you have nothing to worry about.
 
2021-05-06 11:13:11 PM  

NuclearPenguins: dittybopper: NuclearPenguins: Meh. It is the price we pay for living in the modern world. I don't do anything worth tracking so I really don't care.

Also, if I was in the mood to do some crimes I wouldn't carry my phone with me, nor would I be using my own vehicle.

The problem with that is that it would be suspicious that you left your phone at home, and it didn't do anything.  You weren't surfing the web, texting, watching streaming services, e-mailing, etc.  You didn't make any calls.  The phone didn't move at all.

Also, you won't know if or when they become interested in you.  The NSA searches 3 connections deep.  So maybe you're being watched, not because of your actions, and not because of the actions of some you know, but because of a complete stranger who knows your acquaintance.

You act as if I care though, but I don't. I am not on anyone's radar because I lead a squeaky clean life. If the government ever gets to the point where such things would be such a concern I have enough money and family influence to buy my way out of trouble, or they'll give me a cigarette and a blindfold and that will be that. I will not live my life as a luddite because of fear of some 1984-esque government.

Besides, that is what we have you and your folk for in case the government gets out of control. Sure, black powder isn't an A-10, but it is something.


Black powder is often used to create pipe bombs. Are you making bombs? Bombs bombs bombs bomb bomb bomba-bomba-bomb.

We're both on a list now.  Woohoo.
 
2021-05-07 12:26:57 AM  

dittybopper: You don't know if you're on a list.  You don't what the criteria is.  Maybe a joking post here on Fark put you on one.  Or maybe a friend of a friend is on a list.  Hell, maybe you're on a list because you and I have interacted.

And they won't tell you if are.


That's some good list-addin' talk right there.
 
2021-05-07 5:18:50 AM  

steve_wmn: It is mildly concerning that my OnStar equipped car tracks location as well as my phone. I know how to turn off location tracking on my phone if I feel like it, but not my car.


Worse

...services come at a monthly fee. You can discontinue the service at any time, but even after the service is cancelled, the Onstar GPS still continues to track your current location.

WTF?
 
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