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2021-05-05 7:18:55 PM  
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2021-05-05 7:56:50 PM  
Pretty much.
 
2021-05-05 8:04:20 PM  
The handful of small local stores who shuttered during the pandemic were not doing well in the first place. At least, that's what I think.

Anyway...

If you're going to pay someone shiat then they better be your partner because you both are barely hanging on. Or they actually want the job and they don't need the money,  or they need the money, but see my first point about the employer struggling too. Successful businesses with room to help lives, should share social responsibility.
 
2021-05-05 8:37:31 PM  
I am voting for any local candidate that will ban all restaurants not entirely staffed by people who own it.
 
2021-05-05 8:38:00 PM  
Supply, meet demand. Perhaps all of your serfs had a good long time on unemployment due to Covid that they realized there could be a better way. That time off from the grind gave them time to reflect on how horrible you treat and pay them.

Also, $15/ hour? Nice start. Where is my medical coverage you greedy twunt.
 
2021-05-05 8:38:43 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: I am voting for any local candidate that will ban all restaurants not entirely staffed by people who own it.


That's amazingly unrealistic, but I wish you luck.
 
2021-05-05 8:41:38 PM  

baron von doodle: AmbassadorBooze: I am voting for any local candidate that will ban all restaurants not entirely staffed by people who own it.

That's amazingly unrealistic, but I wish you luck.


Correct.  Nobody running for office has the balls to be on the right side of history.  And I have been kicked out of a town hall meeting for suggesting a Borg like hive mind colony to combat climate change.  All these politicians want to talk the talk, and be an  Overmaster, but they don't want to do the hard part of actually becoming part of the collective.
 
2021-05-05 8:44:22 PM  
Overall owners are usually necessary to invest in a restaurant and take the risk of failure. For every restaurant employee to qualify as an owner they would either be required to buy in, pay to be employed. Or the business could be set up where employees can buy stock at an advantage as part of their paycheck (like Walmart). This requires an entirely different corporate structure than most restaurants that only have a few locations.
 
2021-05-05 8:45:05 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: baron von doodle: AmbassadorBooze: I am voting for any local candidate that will ban all restaurants not entirely staffed by people who own it.

That's amazingly unrealistic, but I wish you luck.

Correct.  Nobody running for office has the balls to be on the right side of history.  And I have been kicked out of a town hall meeting for suggesting a Borg like hive mind colony to combat climate change.  All these politicians want to talk the talk, and be an  Overmaster, but they don't want to do the hard part of actually becoming part of the collective.


Oops. See response. ^
 
2021-05-05 8:46:57 PM  

baron von doodle: Overall owners are usually necessary to invest in a restaurant and take the risk of failure. For every restaurant employee to qualify as an owner they would either be required to buy in, pay to be employed. Or the business could be set up where employees can buy stock at an advantage as part of their paycheck (like Walmart). This requires an entirely different corporate structure than most restaurants that only have a few locations.


Sure, there will be a change in the number of restaurants.  Maybe none.  But that would be good.  It would create a power vaccume that will eventually be filled, if people want restaurants.  Or not, if not enough people want to be owners of restaurants.
 
2021-05-05 8:49:00 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: baron von doodle: AmbassadorBooze: I am voting for any local candidate that will ban all restaurants not entirely staffed by people who own it.

That's amazingly unrealistic, but I wish you luck.

Correct.  Nobody running for office has the balls to be on the right side of history.  And I have been kicked out of a town hall meeting for suggesting a Borg like hive mind colony to combat climate change.  All these politicians want to talk the talk, and be an  Overmaster, but they don't want to do the hard part of actually becoming part of the collective.


You really cited The Borg in a town hall meeting?
 
2021-05-05 8:52:03 PM  
Hopping onto the article, I thought the lede image was Scorpion and Subzero.

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2021-05-05 9:01:40 PM  
Uber Eats should have a warehouse equipped with 3d printers printing out different ethnicities of food loaded into self driving cars by automated robots.
 
2021-05-05 9:15:11 PM  

Kick The Chair: Uber Eats should have a warehouse equipped with 3d printers printing out different ethnicities of food loaded into self driving cars by automated robots.


That's atleast a few years in the future. However, a perfect food printer..... I really really want one.
 
2021-05-05 9:19:30 PM  
I can understand both sides of the issue. Businesses have been devastated financially as well as individuals.  It's hard to be extra generous when you're still trying to get back on your feet. That said, if I could get enough on unemployment, I'd damn well ride that out as long as I could before going back into a crappy low paying job.  It's one reason I try to be extra generous with tips these days.  These people are busting their hump on the front line without all the fanfare and adoration reserved for first responders and healthcare workers.  They do it for crap wages because it's the best they can do. The least I can do is pony up an extra generous tip to help them out.

As for the business owners, you're going to have to change your pay scales and working conditions to get people to work. Yes, that probably means having to raise prices, too.  That's also part of the New Normal™.
 
2021-05-05 9:21:12 PM  

Kick The Chair: Uber Eats should have a warehouse equipped with 3d printers printing out different ethnicities of food loaded into self driving cars by automated robots.


Tesla Eats. It wouldn't surprise me.
 
2021-05-05 9:23:40 PM  
Same thing in the trucking industry.
No shortage of companies that pay shiate for the work required.
There's no driver shortage.
 
2021-05-05 9:25:06 PM  
We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.
 
2021-05-05 9:31:22 PM  

Saturn5: I can understand both sides of the issue. Businesses have been devastated financially as well as individuals.  It's hard to be extra generous when you're still trying to get back on your feet. That said, if I could get enough on unemployment, I'd damn well ride that out as long as I could before going back into a crappy low paying job.  It's one reason I try to be extra generous with tips these days.  These people are busting their hump on the front line without all the fanfare and adoration reserved for first responders and healthcare workers.  They do it for crap wages because it's the best they can do. The least I can do is pony up an extra generous tip to help them out.

As for the business owners, you're going to have to change your pay scales and working conditions to get people to work. Yes, that probably means having to raise prices, too.  That's also part of the New Normal™.


im not a harvard economist but im pretty sure most of these people would make more money hiring @ higher labor cost and adjusting than remaining closed.
if these places are THAT CLOSE to failing then fark em, they deserve to go under.  bankrupt already and sell your building to someone who can run it profitably while paying decent wages.  get your whining ass off facebook and let the market work.
 
2021-05-05 9:34:33 PM  
$15,00 an hour for new dishwashers here. $17.00 if you can use a knife.

looking for a experience fry cook or a person with other skills (grill work, oven or sauté) pay is $19-21hour.

Job duties entail cleaning dishes, taking out trash, mopping/ sweeping. Some Food prep.
Starting Pay $16 /hr.

Housekeepers and maintenance apply in person or message me Mon-Fri 9-3
Dorm style housing available, able to work night jobs
Mandatory to work Sunday 9-4 other days 9-3
compensation: starting pay $20.00

Couple minutes on Craigs
 
2021-05-05 9:46:41 PM  

Kick The Chair: Uber Eats should have a warehouse equipped with 3d printers printing out different ethnicities of food loaded into self driving cars by automated robots.


If we could just invent a robot to buy and eat the food, we could eliminate the middleman.
 
2021-05-05 9:51:27 PM  
As the board for McDonald's was told, $15/hr will only increase the average menu item ten cents, but the whole industry has to move at the same time or we lose share.  That's the key point.  The only way it can happen is if the Feds make it so.

Moscow Mitch has voted for a half dozen pay raises for himself and voted against every bill to raise the minimum wage.  He will continue to do so and any GOP member that doesn't follow will regret it.
 
2021-05-05 9:56:00 PM  

Siskabush: We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.


Why is it the employers job to ensure that an employee can afford a house.  Are all jobs suppose to pay enough for a house?
 
2021-05-05 9:58:04 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: I am voting for any local candidate that will ban all restaurants not entirely staffed by people who own it.


How would that work?  Most restaurant owners are either crazy or bankrupt.  It's the business equivalent of buying a boat.
I am sure many owners would be happy to take $50k for a 0.1% stake in the restaurant though, lol.
 
2021-05-05 10:16:01 PM  
Might this be the start of the end of the whole stupid U.S. 'tipping' custom? I sure damn hope so.
 
2021-05-05 10:26:25 PM  
Why should an employer making a living off the employee's work if the employer does not pay the employees enough to live off their own labor?
 
2021-05-05 10:39:45 PM  
Stupid question: are there middle/lower-middle class restauranteurs? Like, restaurant owners who clear maybe 40-60k after the dust settles and go home to a decent 1BR suburban apartment in their preowned Honda Accord?

Seems like the stereotype is that restauranteurs are either high-flying and raking it in, or going completely bust, no in-between. This makes it look like the owners demand rich-guy returns at their employees' expense, or else ragequit and close because the aforementioned humble lifestyle is unacceptable in that profession. Is this anywhere even close to reality?
 
2021-05-05 10:53:46 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Stupid question: are there middle/lower-middle class restauranteurs? Like, restaurant owners who clear maybe 40-60k after the dust settles and go home to a decent 1BR suburban apartment in their preowned Honda Accord?

Seems like the stereotype is that restauranteurs are either high-flying and raking it in, or going completely bust, no in-between. This makes it look like the owners demand rich-guy returns at their employees' expense, or else ragequit and close because the aforementioned humble lifestyle is unacceptable in that profession. Is this anywhere even close to reality?


I know a handful of in-betweener employers, like catering and stuff. The Bay Area (San Francisco)  has plenty. They take home enough to live monthly as long as they keep going, they have family involved, and employees are mostly short-term. Cash helps them out. If you see a sign that says, "We love cash tips," try it out.
 
2021-05-05 10:56:26 PM  
Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.
 
2021-05-05 11:08:58 PM  

caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.


I think that too, but then I think maybe the employer isn't required either. So if this is the case, where the employer is a greasy and unnecessary (and delicious! let's be honest) fast food restaurant, then they can suck it up or get out of it. Unless they have people who actually want to be underpaid or don't need the money-these people exist and they're cool too.
 
2021-05-05 11:15:18 PM  

American-Irish eyes: Siskabush: We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.

Why is it the employers job to ensure that an employee can afford a house.  Are all jobs suppose to pay enough for a house?


The USA is the richest country in the world. Why not aim for adults working full time jobs being able to have a standard of living above the poverty line?

And having a work force that isn't on the edge of destitution is good for everyone. If you give the worst off money, at least it'll circulate a bit before ending up in the pockets of the most wealthy, and liquidity is good for the larger economy.

The only downside, I guess, is that some of those people might benefit and start to get ideas above their station.
 
2021-05-05 11:41:44 PM  

caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.


Which is why drive-thrus are closed during the school day, because they should only be staffed by high schoolers. Even if your argument was any good, and it isn't, families are suffering nowadays. Lots of teens are working to help support the household. It's not just gas money and saving up for the prom.
 
2021-05-05 11:48:15 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.

Which is why drive-thrus are closed during the school day, because they should only be staffed by high schoolers. Even if your argument was any good, and it isn't, families are suffering nowadays. Lots of teens are working to help support the household. It's not just gas money and saving up for the prom.


Interestingly, the reason we mandated education for children in this country was not because we wanted children to be educated, it was because child labor for almost no pay in places like coal mines was undermining the labor market
 
2021-05-06 12:02:13 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Stupid question: are there middle/lower-middle class restauranteurs? Like, restaurant owners who clear maybe 40-60k after the dust settles and go home to a decent 1BR suburban apartment in their preowned Honda Accord?

Seems like the stereotype is that restauranteurs are either high-flying and raking it in, or going completely bust, no in-between. This makes it look like the owners demand rich-guy returns at their employees' expense, or else ragequit and close because the aforementioned humble lifestyle is unacceptable in that profession. Is this anywhere even close to reality?


Quite a few siphon off quite a bit if cash while "not making any money".
 
2021-05-06 12:04:07 AM  

iron de havilland: American-Irish eyes: Siskabush: We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.

Why is it the employers job to ensure that an employee can afford a house.  Are all jobs suppose to pay enough for a house?

The USA is the richest country in the world. Why not aim for adults working full time jobs being able to have a standard of living above the poverty line?

And having a work force that isn't on the edge of destitution is good for everyone. If you give the worst off money, at least it'll circulate a bit before ending up in the pockets of the most wealthy, and liquidity is good for the larger economy.

The only downside, I guess, is that some of those people might benefit and start to get ideas above their station.


He said "afford a house". Not "above poverty line". Try to answer the question, Karl.
 
2021-05-06 12:12:50 AM  

Shryke: iron de havilland: American-Irish eyes: Siskabush: We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.

Why is it the employers job to ensure that an employee can afford a house.  Are all jobs suppose to pay enough for a house?

The USA is the richest country in the world. Why not aim for adults working full time jobs being able to have a standard of living above the poverty line?

And having a work force that isn't on the edge of destitution is good for everyone. If you give the worst off money, at least it'll circulate a bit before ending up in the pockets of the most wealthy, and liquidity is good for the larger economy.

The only downside, I guess, is that some of those people might benefit and start to get ideas above their station.

He said "afford a house". Not "above poverty line". Try to answer the question, Karl.


OK, so rewrite my comment with that substitution.

Is it OK for adults working full time jobs in the world's wealthiest country to not be able to afford a house? Or is that a problem that needs to be addressed?
 
2021-05-06 12:16:18 AM  

iron de havilland: Shryke: iron de havilland: American-Irish eyes: Siskabush: We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.

Why is it the employers job to ensure that an employee can afford a house.  Are all jobs suppose to pay enough for a house?

The USA is the richest country in the world. Why not aim for adults working full time jobs being able to have a standard of living above the poverty line?

And having a work force that isn't on the edge of destitution is good for everyone. If you give the worst off money, at least it'll circulate a bit before ending up in the pockets of the most wealthy, and liquidity is good for the larger economy.

The only downside, I guess, is that some of those people might benefit and start to get ideas above their station.

He said "afford a house". Not "above poverty line". Try to answer the question, Karl.

OK, so rewrite my comment with that substitution.

Is it OK for adults working full time jobs in the world's wealthiest country to not be able to afford a house? Or is that a problem that needs to be addressed?


Yes. Of course it is. Your ridiculous theory of creating som me sort of bad line that includes home ownership would simply prevent most businesses from existing. Low price products must have lost costs to produce.
 
2021-05-06 12:24:04 AM  

caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.


Who takes the order when they're in school?
 
2021-05-06 5:48:27 AM  

caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.


If the job is not worth paying enough for someone to live off of their own labor then it shouldn't pay enough for the owner to live off of laborer's work.
 
2021-05-06 6:28:08 AM  
Well then they're not desperate enough to not go out of business. A shame, but you just can't help some people.
 
2021-05-06 6:29:51 AM  

caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage


LOL
 
2021-05-06 6:36:56 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Stupid question: are there middle/lower-middle class restauranteurs? Like, restaurant owners who clear maybe 40-60k after the dust settles and go home to a decent 1BR suburban apartment in their preowned Honda Accord?

Seems like the stereotype is that restauranteurs are either high-flying and raking it in, or going completely bust, no in-between. This makes it look like the owners demand rich-guy returns at their employees' expense, or else ragequit and close because the aforementioned humble lifestyle is unacceptable in that profession. Is this anywhere even close to reality?


per Forbes:  https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbswork​in​gknowledge/2020/08/10/restaurant-revol​ution-how-the-industry-is-fighting-to-​stay-alive/?sh=2ee18c42f1eb

"It's never been easy to make money in the restaurant industry. A highly fragmented sector dominated by 70 percent independent owners and operators, the average restaurant's annual revenue hovers around $1 million and generates an operating profit of just 4-5 percent. A financially sustainable business model for small independents is often elusive."

Now, this doesn't specify whether that's before or after a restaurant owner pays themselves a salary, but that would put the average around 40-50k year.

Houston Chronicle puts the average at 60k/year. https://work.chron.com/sala​ries-restau​rant-owners-4800.html

Restaurants are the classic "most of you will go out of business" model. If you're talking about local independent type places, I'd be surprised if even a sizable minority of owners pull in more than 100,000/year, especially when competing for customer bucks with large Darden-sequential enterprises with economies of scale on their side.

There's also the old maxim that "in a commodity market, you can only be as successful as your dumbest competitor". For the low-skill workers, the commodity is their labor, and it's hard to sell that labor for more than the worker who will take less out of desperation.  For the restaurant owner, the commodity is the food service, and it's hard to sell that for more than the stingiest competitor. Yes, in the long run, paying workers well *should* bring in sustainable income due to better service, better quality, etc., but this is an industry dominated by small outfits that flame out all the time... there's always a new entrepreneur ready to take a stab at it and take their shot, consequences be damned.

Which leads me to this comment:

natazha: As the board for McDonald's was told, $15/hr will only increase the average menu item ten cents, but the whole industry has to move at the same time or we lose share.  That's the key point.  The only way it can happen is if the Feds make it so.


Bingo.  For skilled labor and knowledge work, the workforce can negotiate its price. For unskilled, the only real solution is a legally mandated floor on revenues, or a union that is empowered to do the same. The Fark peanut gallery can whine that "enterprises who pay less deserve to go out of business," but that's not how this works.  Enterprises who pay more put themselves at a disadvantage to those who pay less... the latter grow, while the former recede.  In the end, it's a race to the bottom.

Yes, there will always be that special artisan whatever business that has a niche with high profit margins, but it's just that - a niche.
 
2021-05-06 7:25:18 AM  

caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.


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2021-05-06 7:26:28 AM  

Goimir: caljar: Some jobs don't really deserve a living wage.   An example is the 16 year old high school kid taking a drive through order at the local burger joint.  It's very easy, unskilled labor for a part time kid.

Who takes the order when they're in school?


These days lunch is more popular than dinner at many fast food locations.
 
2021-05-06 7:54:17 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Yankees Team Gynecologist: Stupid question: are there middle/lower-middle class restauranteurs? Like, restaurant owners who clear maybe 40-60k after the dust settles and go home to a decent 1BR suburban apartment in their preowned Honda Accord?

Seems like the stereotype is that restauranteurs are either high-flying and raking it in, or going completely bust, no in-between. This makes it look like the owners demand rich-guy returns at their employees' expense, or else ragequit and close because the aforementioned humble lifestyle is unacceptable in that profession. Is this anywhere even close to reality?

Quite a few siphon off quite a bit if cash while "not making any money".


I used to visit a finance-related forum that no longer exists. There were quite a few posts from small business owners lamenting how hard it was to get a mortgage or other loan. "I make a ton of money, it just doesn't show in my taxes!"
 
2021-05-06 9:19:24 AM  
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2021-05-06 9:53:35 AM  

Saturn5: I can understand both sides of the issue. Businesses have been devastated financially as well as individuals.  It's hard to be extra generous when you're still trying to get back on your feet. That said, if I could get enough on unemployment, I'd damn well ride that out as long as I could before going back into a crappy low paying job.  It's one reason I try to be extra generous with tips these days.  These people are busting their hump on the front line without all the fanfare and adoration reserved for first responders and healthcare workers.  They do it for crap wages because it's the best they can do. The least I can do is pony up an extra generous tip to help them out.

As for the business owners, you're going to have to change your pay scales and working conditions to get people to work. Yes, that probably means having to raise prices, too.  That's also part of the New Normal™.


Fun fact: prices have been going up all along with ZERO change in people's wages.
 
2021-05-06 10:08:54 AM  

Izunbacol: natazha: As the board for McDonald's was told, $15/hr will only increase the average menu item ten cents, but the whole industry has to move at the same time or we lose share. That's the key point. The only way it can happen is if the Feds make it so.

Bingo. For skilled labor and knowledge work, the workforce can negotiate its price. For unskilled, the only real solution is a legally mandated floor on revenues, or a union that is empowered to do the same. The Fark peanut gallery can whine that "enterprises who pay less deserve to go out of business," but that's not how this works. Enterprises who pay more put themselves at a disadvantage to those who pay less... the latter grow, while the former recede. In the end, it's a race to the bottom.


<looks at all these articles about open $8/hr jobs and noone willing to fill them>
hey look at that, the whole market for unskilled labor moved and is renegotiating its price
 
2021-05-06 10:26:24 AM  
Need labor? Maybe we should rethink our we don't need more people immigration policies then.
 
2021-05-06 11:06:28 AM  

American-Irish eyes: Siskabush: We need a societal fix where when you enter employment you can afford the basics. Food, shelter, water, internet access. Let's start at the top: housing.

It has become way too expensive to own or in some cases rent a house/apartment. Workers need a place to sleep and live. Solution: tax the billionaires and multi millionaires, use the tax proceeds to build affordable housing to house those workers.

For crying out loud, who can spend a billion dollars? Yeah you can buy 30+ yachts but then you have to pay to staff them, maintain them. Reinvest that money in society. I don't know where I'm going with this but this shiat has to stop. Take care of each other.

Why is it the employers job to ensure that an employee can afford a house.  Are all jobs suppose to pay enough for a house?


Yes? It's called minimum wage. If I'm going to be a homeless person either way, why would I work for you and still be a homeless person? The only reason I would want to work for you is to "earn a living".

If you want people to work for you, you must provide that.
 
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