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(BBC)   France surrenders 7.5 feet of territory to Belgian farmer annoyed by boundary stone   (bbc.co.uk) divider line
    More: Amusing, France, French language, mayor of the Belgian village of Erquelinnes, Belgium, European Union, good idea, Local Belgian authorities, sort of move  
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4 days ago  
Good thing it's Wallonia. Border disputes with Flanders can get a little weird.

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4 days ago  
I guess they need a wall.
 
4 days ago  
"A local history enthusiast was walking in the forest when he noticed the stone marking the boundary between the two countries had moved 2.29m (7.5ft)."

Full life, this guy.
 
4 days ago  
"Local Belgian authorities plan to contact the farmer to ask him to return the stone to its original location"

Jesus, Europe, how lazy are your government employees? Nice gig if you can get it.
 
4 days ago  
I'm tempted to put this conflict on Wikipedia.

May 2021 Belgium-France border dispute
Belligerents. Belgium: Anonymous farmer, France: Boundary Stone.
Casualties. Belgium: 0. France: 1 (local official lost afternoon talking to press).
Resolution. France asked farmer to return boundary stone to original position.
 
4 days ago  
Well, if it's ONE thing the French know how to do... it's surrendering.
 
4 days ago  
I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.


I mean maybe, I'm no expert in 1800s border treaties. It would be hilarious if the border was tied to the stones.
 
4 days ago  
Border stones were important to mark the border, back in 1820.

Do either countries have a better method, some two-hundred years later?
 
4 days ago  
Great now I need to get new paper maps.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.


Not with that attitude.
 
4 days ago  
And Léon's getting smaller!
 
4 days ago  

Pigeonhole: Border stones were important to mark the border, back in 1820.

Do either countries have a better method, some two-hundred years later?


Border locations can be a real biatch even with the latest GPS and ESRI software thanks to historical discrepancies over the years.
 
4 days ago  
Oh, yeah. Right.

I imagine it was accidentally on purpose.

We Canadians have been moving our borders six inches Southward every Superb Owl when the Yankees are not looking. Noboy is ever ignorant of where their boundary stones are.

Hope springs eternal, though.
 
4 days ago  
Just put the rock back and get along with your lives.
 
4 days ago  

Grizmund: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

I mean maybe, I'm no expert in 1800s border treaties. It would be hilarious if the border was tied to the stones.


You know you'd have this going on with a rock in between them

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4 days ago  
This is almost as bad as that scrape between Denmark and Canada where a bottle of precious whiskey nearly was lost:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_​W​ar
 
4 days ago  
I hope the Belgian farmer puts it back and doesn't waffle.
 
4 days ago  
Erquelinnes is a shi*hole
 
4 days ago  
It looks like the kind of place a person could disappear to and live quietly ever after.
 
4 days ago  

Pigeonhole: Border stones were important to mark the border, back in 1820.

Do either countries have a better method, some two-hundred years later?


Disclaimer: IANAL, but I am Belgian.

Apart from a strech of the river Lys, there are no natural boundaries between the French and Belgian territories. Parts of the border are literally described as "the straight line between the border stone near the pit at x and the border stone at the SE corner of the forest of y" in the border treaty of 1820. That was between France and the Netherlands, Belgium gained its independence in 1830 and it is written in the Constitution of 1831 that the borders of the nation cannot be changed or corrected unless a law is passed to do so. This article is still in effect today and only the federal government can pass such a law. As far as I can tell, if a border was defined by describing the border stones in 1820, it could still be the stone that dictates the border and not vice versa.

There have been changes throughout the years. We lost two halves of provinces to the Netherlands, one of those is now the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. We were awarded some German territories and the comdominium of Neutral Moresnet after WWI. There have been small changes and corrections to the border with France, but none of them as consequential. The last update to the Belgo-French border was in 1974, before GPS even existed.

So no, it doesn't seem that we have a better method to mark the border.
 
4 days ago  

brantgoose: Oh, yeah. Right.

I imagine it was accidentally on purpose.

We Canadians have been moving our borders six inches Southward every Superb Owl when the Yankees are not looking. Noboy is ever ignorant of where their boundary stones are.

Hope springs eternal, though.


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4 days ago  
Farking Belgians and their sneaky, border-chaos ways.

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4 days ago  
Looking forward to the episode of Map Men about this.

/Map Men
//Map Men
///Map Map Map Men Men Men
////Rare fourth slashy for the probably-inevitable Tim Traveller video
 
4 days ago  

Grizmund: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

I mean maybe, I'm no expert in 1800s border treaties. It would be hilarious if the border was tied to the stones.


It is in articles 37, 38 and 51 of the 1820 border treaty. That treaty also mentions five widows who had tracts of land ceded by France or the Netherlands.

European borders can be a lot more complicated than "we draw a rectangle on the map and that shall be Colorado." 💁♂
 
4 days ago  

BigNumber12: Farking Belgians and their sneaky, border-chaos ways.

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C?SB:
Shops that had one of those borders run through the building had to close part of their aisles when the different COVID restrictions allowed them to open in one country but had them in lockdown in the other.
/C?SB
 
4 days ago  

turboke: Grizmund: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

I mean maybe, I'm no expert in 1800s border treaties. It would be hilarious if the border was tied to the stones.

It is in articles 37, 38 and 51 of the 1820 border treaty. That treaty also mentions five widows who had tracts of land ceded by France or the Netherlands.

European borders can be a lot more complicated than "we draw a rectangle on the map and that shall be Colorado." 💁♂


Yeah because Colorado isn't in Europe duh
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
SirDigbyChickenCaesar:

Yeah because Colorado isn't in Europe duh

What about Monacolorado?
 
4 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "A local history enthusiast was walking in the forest when he noticed the stone marking the boundary between the two countries had moved 2.29m (7.5ft)."

Full life, this guy.


There's nothing terribly unusual about someone going for a walk.  The thing about the story that is unusual is that the guy walking was paying enough attention to his surroundings to notice the moved stone.  Most people would be too absorbed by their iCrutch or whatever to notice anything more subtle than being hit over the head with a brick.
 
4 days ago  
"If he shows good will, he won't have a problem, we will settle this issue amicably,"
But we have artillery if there is any issue.
 
4 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "A local history enthusiast was walking in the forest when he noticed the stone marking the boundary between the two countries had moved 2.29m (7.5ft)."

Full life, this guy.


Yeah, plus, he's obviously trespassing
 
4 days ago  

Grizmund: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

I mean maybe, I'm no expert in 1800s border treaties. It would be hilarious if the border was tied to the stones.


We found a new stone to put under Queen Elizabeth's throne.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.


100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.
 
4 days ago  

Ketchuponsteak: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.


What?  I can build my fence anywhere on my property.  Just because I set it back 10' doesn't make that 10' now my neighbors yard.
 
4 days ago  

Grizmund: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

I mean maybe, I'm no expert in 1800s border treaties. It would be hilarious if the border was tied to the stones.


I don't think they used GPS back then, so, it was.

Whether they've actually have it mapped precisely enough today so that the border stones location by a few feet matters, I bet not.

Maybe the stones location is referenced in relation to something else, like the road the farmer drives his tractor on, which explains why that dude noticed it.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Ketchuponsteak: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.

What?  I can build my fence anywhere on my property.  Just because I set it back 10' doesn't make that 10' now my neighbors yard.


Depending on where you live, Adverse Possession laws could make that 10' strip legally "your neighbor's yard" in as few as three years.
 
4 days ago  

BigNumber12: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Ketchuponsteak: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.

What?  I can build my fence anywhere on my property.  Just because I set it back 10' doesn't make that 10' now my neighbors yard.

Depending on where you live, Adverse Possession laws could make that 10' strip legally "your neighbor's yard" in as few as three years.


Here in VA it's 15 years.  Plus they would have to "use" it as something.  Say, put a playground over the line or a pool.  All I would have to do is tell them to move it.
 
4 days ago  

chitownmike: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "A local history enthusiast was walking in the forest when he noticed the stone marking the boundary between the two countries had moved 2.29m (7.5ft)."

Full life, this guy.

Yeah, plus, he's obviously trespassing


Walking on roads or in the forest is rarely trespassing.

Maybe in USA.

Where I come from beaches, forests and roads are common acess, even though you can own a forest or a road, it's still public. Beaches can't be owned.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Ketchuponsteak: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.

What?  I can build my fence anywhere on my property.  Just because I set it back 10' doesn't make that 10' now my neighbors yard.


100 years from now, where's the border between USA and Mexico?

Well, tongue in cheek. We'll see, perhaps?
 
4 days ago  

brantgoose: We Canadians have been moving our borders six inches Southward every Superb Owl when the Yankees are not looking. Noboy is ever ignorant of where their boundary stones are.


oh no - what will we do without North Dakota? please don't take them from us...

/kicks the boundary stone southward another six feet...
 
4 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "A local history enthusiast was walking in the forest when he noticed the stone marking the boundary between the two countries had moved 2.29m (7.5ft)."

Full life, this guy.


Looks as if it was cemented in previously, it not being not so much I can see it catching your eye.  'Specially if it's only 8' from the busted off prior base.
 
4 days ago  

profdc9: This is almost as bad as that scrape between Denmark and Canada where a bottle of precious whiskey nearly was lost:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_W​ar


As a Canadian, I wish I could say that I am surprised that a government task force started in 2005 still hasn't come to a resolution on something that could be solved with a tape measure and a rope.

But... I am not surprised.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: BigNumber12: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Ketchuponsteak: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.

What?  I can build my fence anywhere on my property.  Just because I set it back 10' doesn't make that 10' now my neighbors yard.

Depending on where you live, Adverse Possession laws could make that 10' strip legally "your neighbor's yard" in as few as three years.

Here in VA it's 15 years.  Plus they would have to "use" it as something.  Say, put a playground over the line or a pool.  All I would have to do is tell them to move it.


Mow it.
 
3 days ago  

Bertuccio: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: BigNumber12: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Ketchuponsteak: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I'm not sure moving the stone actually moves the border.

100 years from now, Belgium will point at the stones location as proof that the French provided coordinates are wrong.

Just like Trump just gave Mexico parts of USA to them by building his wall inside USA rather on the actual border.

What?  I can build my fence anywhere on my property.  Just because I set it back 10' doesn't make that 10' now my neighbors yard.

Depending on where you live, Adverse Possession laws could make that 10' strip legally "your neighbor's yard" in as few as three years.

Here in VA it's 15 years.  Plus they would have to "use" it as something.  Say, put a playground over the line or a pool.  All I would have to do is tell them to move it.

Mow it.


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