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(Al Jazeera)   What's behind Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk's Moon feud? Obviously, only one can become Emperor of the Moon   (aljazeera.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Moon, NASA, Space exploration, NASA's plans, Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin, Elon Musk's SpaceX, Human spaceflight, commercial space companies  
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6 days ago  
Musk is mad that Bezos has more money than him.  Ya know, high school stuff.
 
6 days ago  

PaulRB: Musk is mad that Bezos has more money than him.  Ya know, high school stuff.


Being jealous of what someone else has is pathetic.
 
6 days ago  
They should fight to the death in Madison Square Garden.
 
6 days ago  
Jesus this country needs to farking tax its rich people so hard.
 
6 days ago  

koder: Jesus this country needs to farking tax its rich people so hard.


I'm hoping you'll quintuple NASA's budget while doing so.
 
6 days ago  
Just a reminder to Bezos/Musk/Etc: Allowing unions to negotiate good wages, and being paid fairly for our labor WAS the compromise. Because the alternative is dragging the owners into the street and exacting our own "fair deal".
 
6 days ago  
When Blue Origin gets anything done then maybe Bezos can talk.  We're still waiting for that.
 
6 days ago  
Battle of the Space Karens. Oh boy.
 
6 days ago  

8 inches: PaulRB: Musk is mad that Bezos has more money than him.  Ya know, high school stuff.

Being jealous of what someone else has is pathetic.


It's not jealousy, it's competitiveness...still pathetic
 
6 days ago  
It appears NASA is up to its old tricks, with SpaceX playing the role of Boeing/North American this time around. The vendor was selected well before the bids were in.
 
6 days ago  
They should join forces and just take over the world.

Amuskon-Disney
 
6 days ago  
The important thing here, is that we common folk choose who to support, and that we invest our very being in the victory of our preferred side. Any criticism of a particular faction is also a personal attack and character judgment of all of their followers. And it must be all or nothing. No middle ground! Compromise is defeat!

Victory to the Muskovites! We will crush the evil Bezoids!  Their filth has polluted our world for too long!
 
6 days ago  

Elliot8654: Just a reminder to Bezos/Musk/Etc: Allowing unions to negotiate good wages, and being paid fairly for our labor WAS the compromise. Because the alternative is dragging the owners into the street and exacting our own "fair deal".


Amazon, Microsoft, and Tesla all pay significantly higher than market rate for the respective jobs, even among the "unskilled" (terrible term) labor.  Its how they retain talent. Amazon even offers continuing education courses for free to its fulfillment center workers, right at the center, for the maximum convenience of the workers.

What is it that you think billionaires owe you, exactly?
 
6 days ago  
Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.
 
6 days ago  

ImOscar: Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.


Is it really less energy to go out than towards the sun?

Sorry if I'm missing a joke, I'm a nerd who should be sleeping right now.
 
6 days ago  

koder: Jesus this country needs to farking tax its rich people so hard.


Yeah, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are willing to do that, though.
 
6 days ago  

Magnanimous_J: Elliot8654: Just a reminder to Bezos/Musk/Etc: Allowing unions to negotiate good wages, and being paid fairly for our labor WAS the compromise. Because the alternative is dragging the owners into the street and exacting our own "fair deal".

Amazon, Microsoft, and Tesla all pay significantly higher than market rate for the respective jobs, even among the "unskilled" (terrible term) labor.  Its how they retain talent. Amazon even offers continuing education courses for free to its fulfillment center workers, right at the center, for the maximum convenience of the workers.

What is it that you think billionaires owe you, exactly?


Me, specifically? nothing. The society that has fostered their great wealth? A helluva lot more than their current tax rates (which are often Zero).

And when they go out of their way to bust unions in their factories while their drivers have to pee in bottles? Yeah....real "great work environment" they got there.
 
6 days ago  
SpaceX has a working rocket capable of delivering cargo and people into orbit, along with a fully qualified crew capsule to go on that rocket. They've been delivering hardware to orbit for over a decade, and have also been actively (and rapidly) developing the craft that will land on the moon even before the proposal request was published.

Blue Origin has none of that, despite having better funding and being in business slightly longer (20 months).

That's why you didn't get the contract, Jeff.
=Smidge=
 
6 days ago  

Elliot8654: Because the alternative is dragging the owners into the street and exacting our own "fair deal".


Bonus irony points if the piano wire was bought with priority shipping, P&P included.
 
6 days ago  

omg bbq: ImOscar: Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.

Is it really less energy to go out than towards the sun?

Sorry if I'm missing a joke, I'm a nerd who should be sleeping right now.


It's much, much harder to hit the sun than fling something out into space.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/a​r​chive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launc​h-nasa/567197/
 
6 days ago  

Tr0mBoNe: omg bbq: ImOscar: Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.

Is it really less energy to go out than towards the sun?

Sorry if I'm missing a joke, I'm a nerd who should be sleeping right now.

It's much, much harder to hit the sun than fling something out into space.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/ar​chive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launc​h-nasa/567197/


Ohhh thanks!!
 
6 days ago  

Tr0mBoNe: omg bbq: ImOscar: Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.

Is it really less energy to go out than towards the sun?

Sorry if I'm missing a joke, I'm a nerd who should be sleeping right now.

It's much, much harder to hit the sun than fling something out into space.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/ar​chive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launc​h-nasa/567197/


I guess trying to hit a very small (universe-speaking) target even if it's a gravity well big enough to hold our solar system together is harder than flinging something out just about any other direction and even slingshotting a gas giant or two.
 
6 days ago  
1)  take a moon pie and microwave it for 10 seconds.

2)  enjoy

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6 days ago  
The pheromones in Elon's Musk.
 
6 days ago  
You forgot about gates saying he wont lift the patent on vaccines ( for poor nations)  because he would wouldn't make money off them

Rich people for you
 
6 days ago  

Elliot8654: Me, specifically? nothing. The society that has fostered their great wealth? A helluva lot more than their current tax rates (which are often Zero).


I can see it both ways. The country needs to be well funded to operate correctly and that comes from taxes. On the other hand, these billionaires are infinitely more efficient with the money than the government would have been. Bill Gates has done more good in the world with his foundation than the government could have done with 100x the money. Bezos and Elon might actually help facilitate the next stage of humanity's progress.

Its a case by case basis for sure, but as far as those 3 go, I'd much rather them be doing what they are doing than have the government piss it away in a bloated, leaky bureaucracy.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Magnanimous_J: Elliot8654: Me, specifically? nothing. The society that has fostered their great wealth? A helluva lot more than their current tax rates (which are often Zero).

I can see it both ways. The country needs to be well funded to operate correctly and that comes from taxes. On the other hand, these billionaires are infinitely more efficient with the money than the government would have been. Bill Gates has done more good in the world with his foundation than the government could have done with 100x the money. Bezos and Elon might actually help facilitate the next stage of humanity's progress.

Its a case by case basis for sure, but as far as those 3 go, I'd much rather them be doing what they are doing than have the government piss it away in a bloated, leaky bureaucracy.


My biggest gripe is, no one becomes a billionaire ethically. In order to hoard that much wealth, you would have to engage in a number of dubious acts to screw other people out of what they are rightfully owed.

It's an obscene amount of money that they aren't efficient with. They're stingy with. Yes, they find the cheapest way to do things. But the remaining balance doesn't go to charities. A small fraction maybe. But a helluva lot of it goes towards the acquisition of even more wealth, vanity projects, and (more and more) government influence keeping them billionaires at the expense of more and more Americans scraping to get by on a pittance.
 
6 days ago  
More f*cking greed
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
Bezos won't tell Musk who he scores from.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Magnanimous_J: Elliot8654: Me, specifically? nothing. The society that has fostered their great wealth? A helluva lot more than their current tax rates (which are often Zero).

I can see it both ways. The country needs to be well funded to operate correctly and that comes from taxes. On the other hand, these billionaires are infinitely more efficient with the money than the government would have been. Bill Gates has done more good in the world with his foundation than the government could have done with 100x the money. Bezos and Elon might actually help facilitate the next stage of humanity's progress.

Its a case by case basis for sure, but as far as those 3 go, I'd much rather them be doing what they are doing than have the government piss it away in a bloated, leaky bureaucracy.


It's probably better to have the government buy a hammer for $5k than to have that $5k just sit in some wealthy person's bank account.
 
6 days ago  
LET THEM FITE.
 
6 days ago  

Tr0mBoNe: They should fight to the death in Madison Square Garden.


you mean Moonison Square Garden
 
6 days ago  
They can settle it like rich people.

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6 days ago  

proteus_b: Tr0mBoNe: They should fight to the death in Madison Square Garden.

you mean Moonison Square Garden


You mean Madison Cube Garden?

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6 days ago  
Fark deleted the comment I was responding to while I was writing it. But I liked the comment so much that I'm going to post it anyway. The gist was that I was carrying water for the wealthy.

I live in Seattle and I'm in the industry. Those 3 men have done more for me personally than anyone outside of my immediate family. I've never worked directly for MS, Amazon or Tesla, but I work for companies that wouldn't exist without those three. My friends and family work for them. Their mere presence allowed me to enjoy a 30% appreciation in my real estate holdings in 5 years. Their stocks have provided the me the foundation to a road of financial independence. Both in business and in leisure, they have allowed me to travel the world (though I've got a lot more world to go).

That's not to mention to quantifiable quality of life improvements that their companies provide. They pioneered the technology that you are using to insult me right now.

Bill Gates has done more for the developing world than maybe any single individual in history. Amazon and Microsoft have created more equity for everyday Americans than a thousand social programs. Elon Musk has done more for space exploration than NASA has accomplished in the last 40 years. Electric cars have gone from science fiction, to impractical gimmick to a middle class reality in 30 years. Jeff Bezos brought the biggest retail market in the history of the world right to the doorsteps of the entire farking planet.

So yeah. I don't really a give a shiat how much tax they pay.
 
6 days ago  
Bezos: I want no taxes!
US: OK. If you industrialists want no taxes, that's fine.  We'll cut back on Space Exploration.
Musk: I'm in space.  Low Earth orbit belongs to me.  My... my... my internet relays got there first.
Bezos: Why aren't there any government regulations in space!

I'm sensing genuine butthurt among the world's richest about Musk gobbling up solar system assets.  Unable to compete because they failed to make the investment, they now want world governments to claim ownership so that they can bribe officeholders to keep Musk from claiming it all themselves.

It's a sad, sad universe.
 
6 days ago  

Magnanimous_J: Fark deleted the comment I was responding to while I was writing it. But I liked the comment so much that I'm going to post it anyway. The gist was that I was carrying water for the wealthy.

I live in Seattle and I'm in the industry. Those 3 men have done more for me personally than anyone outside of my immediate family. I've never worked directly for MS, Amazon or Tesla, but I work for companies that wouldn't exist without those three. My friends and family work for them. Their mere presence allowed me to enjoy a 30% appreciation in my real estate holdings in 5 years. Their stocks have provided the me the foundation to a road of financial independence. Both in business and in leisure, they have allowed me to travel the world (though I've got a lot more world to go).

That's not to mention to quantifiable quality of life improvements that their companies provide. They pioneered the technology that you are using to insult me right now.

Bill Gates has done more for the developing world than maybe any single individual in history. Amazon and Microsoft have created more equity for everyday Americans than a thousand social programs. Elon Musk has done more for space exploration than NASA has accomplished in the last 40 years. Electric cars have gone from science fiction, to impractical gimmick to a middle class reality in 30 years. Jeff Bezos brought the biggest retail market in the history of the world right to the doorsteps of the entire farking planet.

So yeah. I don't really a give a shiat how much tax they pay.


No. They haven't. An army of people working their butts off have done those things.

Gates/Bezos/Musk don't "do" much more than anyone else. They just own stuff. That's it.

Don't put them on a pedestal. They had a couple good ideas, built up critical mass of stuff they owned, and then let it snowball from there.
 
6 days ago  

Elliot8654: Gates/Bezos/Musk don't "do" much more than anyone else. They just own stuff. That's it.


I know. Those companies basically start themselves, no human intervention needed.
 
6 days ago  
They'll both discover what sort of mistress the moon can be.
 
6 days ago  

proteus_b: Elliot8654: Gates/Bezos/Musk don't "do" much more than anyone else. They just own stuff. That's it.

I know. Those companies basically start themselves, no human intervention needed.


Amazon wouldnt existed without Bezos parents gifting him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hes not exactly a bootstrappy builder.
 
6 days ago  
King Donald John disagrees.
 
6 days ago  

omg bbq: Tr0mBoNe: omg bbq: ImOscar: Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.

Is it really less energy to go out than towards the sun?

Sorry if I'm missing a joke, I'm a nerd who should be sleeping right now.

It's much, much harder to hit the sun than fling something out into space.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/ar​chive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launc​h-nasa/567197/

I guess trying to hit a very small (universe-speaking) target even if it's a gravity well big enough to hold our solar system together is harder than flinging something out just about any other direction and even slingshotting a gas giant or two.


Hmm. It's not about the size of the object. It's about orbital velocity. The Sun will draw you in so hitting it isn't a problem. You just have to be going slow enough that you don't miss.
At 1 au from the Sun (ie Earth's orbit), an object -- any object -- traveling 42.1 km/s will achieve a hyperbolic orbit (they'll leave and not come back).  Earth itself is traveling 2
 
6 days ago  

LOLITROLU: omg bbq: Tr0mBoNe: omg bbq: ImOscar: Upon urther review, it's been brought to my attention that shooting these two into the sun would be extremely resource intensive and cost too much money, so instead we should just blast them out of the solar system.

Is it really less energy to go out than towards the sun?

Sorry if I'm missing a joke, I'm a nerd who should be sleeping right now.

It's much, much harder to hit the sun than fling something out into space.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/ar​chive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launc​h-nasa/567197/

I guess trying to hit a very small (universe-speaking) target even if it's a gravity well big enough to hold our solar system together is harder than flinging something out just about any other direction and even slingshotting a gas giant or two.

Hmm. It's not about the size of the object. It's about orbital velocity. The Sun will draw you in so hitting it isn't a problem. You just have to be going slow enough that you don't miss.
At 1 au from the Sun (ie Earth's orbit), an object -- any object -- traveling 42.1 km/s will achieve a hyperbolic orbit (they'll leave and not come back).  Earth itself is traveling 2


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Earth itself is traveling 29.78 km/s so you need a delta-v of 12.32 km/s to leave the Solar system. To hit the Sun you need to lose your orbital velocity, so you need a delta-v of 29.78 km/s. Actually less than that since the Sun has a radius and you just need to get close enough to lose speed in the Solar atmosphere.

But still, it takes about twice as much delta-v to hit the Sun from Earth than to leave the Solar system from Earth.
 
6 days ago  
Secret moon bases are less cool when you have to share with the other rich asshole
 
6 days ago  
Besos is just mad that his company can't pig out at the the public trough like Boeing is with the SLS.
Musk is trying to get to Mars this decade. Besos may have a rocket reach orbit in 2022 or so.
 
6 days ago  
Musk isn't trying to outdo Bezos. He's got a fantasy of his own about colonizing Mars, and he's single-minded and very effective at running SpaceX, which has accomplished amazing things. And he's not just some rich absentee owner, he's deeply involved with the engineering and has put his entire net worth on the line (in early days of SpaceX) to make it happen.
Bezos, meanwhile, isn't technically inclined, has hired a bunch of Old Space engineers with his windfall from cornering retailing, and seems to be pissed that Musk is so successful. He's tried a bunch of dirty tricks to derail SpaceX, none of which have worked. Blue Origin has yet to even get to orbit, while SpaceX has had over a hundred successful missions, including crewed ones.
The media is trying to make up some kind of contest, but really there isn't one. Or if there is, Jeff is looking kinda dumb.
 
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