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(Yahoo)   I attended a protest and all I got was this t-shirt that later formed the basis for a mistrial   (yahoo.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
I just don't have a real good feeling about this.
 
4 days ago  
Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.
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4 days ago  

WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.


If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.
 
4 days ago  

8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image 320x368]


That was close to my first thoughts on the matter.
 
4 days ago  
shiatshiatshiat, This is incredibly stupid.  What's his Fark handle?
 
4 days ago  
Were there similar questions about Blue Lives Matter demonstrations?
 
4 days ago  

SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.


What the hell are his neighbors going to do?
 
4 days ago  

8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image image 320x368]


Ah yes, both t-shirts are equally inflammatory
 
4 days ago  
Sure Jan. People who aren't exactly like you can't be jurors.
 
4 days ago  
I showed up for jury duty with a T-shirt that had "Guilty!" on the front. I did not get selected/
 
4 days ago  
Where can one get a "Free Derek Chauvin" tee shirt? Asking for a friend.
 
4 days ago  
Are they going to have to start vetting a potential juror's social media like an employer would with a prospective applicant? How far would they need to go back? Obviously, we knew there would be an appeal in the verdict, but this photo is all that shiatstain's attorney needs to attempt getting a new trial or it dropped all together.
 
4 days ago  

BobCumbers: Where can one get a "Free Derek Chauvin" tee shirt? Asking for a friend.


I'd bet dollars to donuts there are already several police facebook groups selling them.
 
4 days ago  
Is there a link to an actual news organization's story on this? I will not click a NY Post link.
 
4 days ago  

SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.


Could one argue that even though he was wearing the shirt and at a protest, he couldn't execute the duties of being a juror by being fair and impartial and you know, objectively listening to all evidence presented?
 
4 days ago  
After the jury has already reached its verdict? That's not how mistrials work.
 
4 days ago  

SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.


Wow, you'd make a good Brown Shirt.
 
4 days ago  

8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image image 320x368]


Because wearing a shirt supporting the Nazi mass murder of six million Jews and wearing a shirt with MLK's picture on it are equivalent to each other.
 
4 days ago  

jimmyjackfunk: Are they going to have to start vetting a potential juror's social media like an employer would with a prospective applicant?


Start?
 
4 days ago  
This is definitely going to be a problem. I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't vacate the verdict because of it.
 
4 days ago  
It may be basis for appeal, but trial is complete so no mistrial. All that's left is sentencing hearing that the defense deferred to the judge
 
4 days ago  

Catsaregreen: SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.

Wow, you'd make a good Brown Shirt.


I was thinking klan member, but that works too.  Some real psychos around here.
 
4 days ago  
Imagine living in a world where saying "black lives matter" is a politically statement that may make you ineligible to serve on a jury when a police officer callously kills a black person.

What a wacky world. No wonder police are never convicted. Saying police should not kill people is someone a jury exclusion.
 
4 days ago  

RyansPrivates: It may be basis for appeal, but trial is complete so no mistrial. All that's left is sentencing hearing that the defense deferred to the judge


A motion for judgment notwithstanding the verdict could be made as well.
 
4 days ago  

vsavatar: This is definitely going to be a problem. I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't vacate the verdict because of it.


Doesn't work that way.

And jurors do not give up their first amendment rights to serve.

Really, everyone thinking this is a problem needs to realize that Pro cop, white only, authoritarian boot sucking is not a requirement to be on a Jury.
 
4 days ago  

FarkinNortherner: jimmyjackfunk: Are they going to have to start vetting a potential juror's social media like an employer would with a prospective applicant?

Start?


Maybe I'm out of the loop, but when I watch a news story about jury selection, I can't recall either attorney asking potential jurors about social media posts prior to being called.
 
4 days ago  

jimmyjackfunk: SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.

Could one argue that even though he was wearing the shirt and at a protest, he couldn't execute the duties of being a juror by being fair and impartial and you know, objectively listening to all evidence presented?


Yes, one could argue that he could not execute the duties because he was wearing the shirt and at a protest.  One could also argue he could execute the duties of an impartial juror despite his wearing the shirt and at a protest.

BUUUUUT, the attorney will most likely argue that the juror didn't answer his questionnaire truthfully about his participation in protests related to police brutality which opens up the juror to credibility and impartiality issues and raises concerns about a fair and impartial trial.

In other words, this was a stupid move on the part of the juror if he did not answer the questionnaire accurately.
 
4 days ago  
I wonder how many cops are investigating jurors to find old drug arrests.
 
4 days ago  
Man, that's some dirty, and underhanded shiat to do - to besmirch a juror who would sit for the trial where everybody with working eyeballs knows that Chauvin was guilty as hell. That juror is not at all allowed to have multi-faceted feelings, and beliefs, right?

...what's a poor white supremacist to do?
 
4 days ago  

chawco: Imagine living in a world where saying "black lives matter" is a politically statement that may make you ineligible to serve on a jury when a police officer callously kills a black person.

What a wacky world. No wonder police are never convicted. Saying police should not kill people is someone a jury exclusion.


There's no reason to think answering "yes" about attending a demonstration would make someone ineligible as a juror.

So there's also no reason to think that even if the judge determines an MLK event is the same thing as a Black Lives Matter demonstration that it would be a problem if the juror attended an MLK event.
 
4 days ago  
oh wow one of the jurors wore a shirt leading one to believe they are not cool with cops killing black men for nothing

surely this will unpend a trial where 11 other jurors felt the same way
 
4 days ago  

8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image image 320x368]


He should not be on any jury involving hate crimes.

See how easy that is?
 
4 days ago  

Jeebus Saves: SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.

What the hell are his neighbors going to do?


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4 days ago  

Jeebus Saves: SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.

What the hell are his neighbors going to do?


I think the implication from the fark leftists is that vigilante violence is acceptable.

It isn't.
 
4 days ago  

Loucifer: I showed up for jury duty with a T-shirt that had "Guilty!" on the front. I did not get selected/


A judge having a bad day could have cited you for contempt.
Do not taunt judges.
 
4 days ago  

edmo: Sure Jan. People who aren't exactly like you can't be jurors.


When have YOU lied on a jury questionnaire?

I know I haven't, nor wouldn't. The time off work ain't worth it.
 
4 days ago  

jimmyjackfunk: Are they going to have to start vetting a potential juror's social media like an employer would with a prospective applicant? How far would they need to go back? Obviously, we knew there would be an appeal in the verdict, but this photo is all that shiatstain's attorney needs to attempt getting a new trial or it dropped all together.


Depends.

If you're a defense attorney, you're going to go over everything. And you should.

In the meantime, people should be honest on the forms and when questioned.
 
4 days ago  

NotThatGuyAgain: 8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image 320x368]

That was close to my first thoughts on the matter.


Both of your first thoughts were to post a picture of a random neo-Nazi in a disgusting T shirt? Was he in a Black man's jury or is there some connection to the circumstances of this trial? Or is this just some bizarre apples and oranges attempt at BSAB?
 
4 days ago  

chawco: Imagine living in a world where saying "black lives matter" is a politically statement that may make you ineligible to serve on a jury when a police officer callously kills a black person.

What a wacky world. No wonder police are never convicted. Saying police should not kill people is someone a jury exclusion.


Except that this world is one where you can't answer 'no' to voir dire questions about having participated in demonstrations and protests and then have it revealed on social media that you did. I'm okay with that world.

By the way, it's more than saying "Black Lives Matter"; his shirt said "Get your knee off our necks" which is a direct reference to the George Floyd case, the case on which he's supposed to render an impartial verdict. If this case has to be retried because of it, the fault will be his and his stupid lie. Not the fault of 'society', not the fault of 'the system', HIS.
 
4 days ago  
Yea, this isn't going to change jack and or shiat.

But I am sure the channers here are all hopeful, two more weeks and Chauvin is free, we are going to be so pissed!
 
4 days ago  

Catsaregreen: SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.

Wow, you'd make a good Brown Shirt.


He lied in court (a crime) and his lie may result in a murderer going free.
I can't imagine what the victim's family is feeling right now.
I stand by my decision.
 
4 days ago  

MadHatter500: vsavatar: This is definitely going to be a problem. I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't vacate the verdict because of it.

Doesn't work that way.

And jurors do not give up their first amendment rights to serve.

Really, everyone thinking this is a problem needs to realize that Pro cop, white only, authoritarian boot sucking is not a requirement to be on a Jury.


You're right.  They don't give up their First Amendment rights.  However, that particular shirt (and more precisely the words "get your knee off our necks") is a direct reference to the Floyd killing and indicates bias on the part of the juror.  You don't have to be a bootlicker or cop lover to be a juror.  That would actually disqualify a juror for the same reason.  You just have to be neutral, impartial, and open to the arguments of both sides, and this juror arguably was none of those things.
 
4 days ago  
so we gunna start going back and tossing out acquittals of cops when someone on the jury was found to be racist af?
 
4 days ago  

GrinzGrimly: NotThatGuyAgain: 8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image 320x368]

That was close to my first thoughts on the matter.

Both of your first thoughts were to post a picture of a random neo-Nazi in a disgusting T shirt? Was he in a Black man's jury or is there some connection to the circumstances of this trial? Or is this just some bizarre apples and oranges attempt at BSAB?


Wow.  That's how this guy interpreted my post?

Pay attention people, there are folks out there like this WALKING AMONGST YOU.
 
4 days ago  

FarkinNortherner: After the jury has already reached its verdict? That's not how mistrials work.


Ahem:

Defendants who think they've been wrongfully convicted can:

- make a motion asking the trial judge to overturn the jury's guilty verdict and enter a verdict of not guilty
- move for a new trial-that is, ask the judge to set aside the jury's verdict, declare a mistrial, and start over, or
- appeal or seek a writ, which means asking a higher court to reverse a conviction.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped​i​a/appealing-conviction.html

I mean, the guy is just a law school professor at UCLA. What does he know, right?
 
4 days ago  

A'isha P.: 8 inches: Naaah, I'm sure he was impartial.  Just like this guy.[Fark user image image 320x368]

Because wearing a shirt supporting the Nazi mass murder of six million Jews and wearing a shirt with MLK's picture on it are equivalent to each other.


Wow, you're either illiterate, obtuse, or disingenuous.
 
4 days ago  

SpectroBoy: Catsaregreen: SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: I just don't have a real good feeling about this.

If this juror's lying causes a mistrial I sure hope his neighbors show the appropriate appreciation for his efforts.

Wow, you'd make a good Brown Shirt.

He lied in court (a crime) and his lie may result in a murderer going free.
I can't imagine what the victim's family is feeling right now.
I stand by my decision.


You heard the man.  A black man may have committed a crime, and we need to dish out some old fashioned street justice.
 
4 days ago  

RyansPrivates: It may be basis for appeal, but trial is complete so no mistrial. All that's left is sentencing hearing that the defense deferred to the judge


You need to demand a refund for your law degree.
 
4 days ago  

special20: That juror is not at all allowed to have multi-faceted feelings, and beliefs, right?


They are allowed to have whatever feelings they like.
They are not allowed to lie about their beliefs & activities as that prevents an impartial jury, something we are all guaranteed.

"The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you."
 
4 days ago  

jimmyjackfunk: FarkinNortherner: jimmyjackfunk: Are they going to have to start vetting a potential juror's social media like an employer would with a prospective applicant?

Start?

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but when I watch a news story about jury selection, I can't recall either attorney asking potential jurors about social media posts prior to being called.


He lied on the juror questionnaire.
 
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