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4 days ago  
...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...
 
4 days ago  

hubiestubert: ...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...


I read that as wrestle her for her husband
 
4 days ago  
Typical that they ignore all the people living in between New York and Madrid.
 
4 days ago  
Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.
 
4 days ago  
New York or Madrid ARE so screwed, subby.  Are so screwed.  Not is so screwed.
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: hubiestubert: ...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...

I read that as wrestle her for her husband


Wrestle her with her husband?
 
4 days ago  
"The 21-ton Long March 5b is returning to earth"

Well I guess that is one way to put it.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
4 days ago  
You have a better chance of winning the powerball than it hitting a city.
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


Give me a good reason you felt compelled to white knight them.
 
4 days ago  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Gubbo: hubiestubert: ...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...

I read that as wrestle her for her husband

Wrestle her with her husband?


Look, these are all perfectly fine ideas and we shouldn't quibble over minor details
 
4 days ago  
 
4 days ago  
Just my luck
Not going to hit New York or Madrid
Its going to hit the outskirts of Odenville
Specifically the house between my neighbors
 
4 days ago  

hubiestubert: ...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...


Okay, Alie.
 
4 days ago  
"could land anywhere in a 'red zone' that includes New York and Madrid"

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of booster rockets only. There is no stopping in a white zone.
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


Can I just demonize anyone who is currently launching large objects that sometimes "oopsie" into orbit for a while with no way to control where they come down?  Or do I just shut up because it's cheaper to launch them this way so yay, they're moving towards capitalism?
 
4 days ago  
The biggest danger is all the lead.
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.


An English newspaper* reporting on the uncontrolled descent of a rocket, while also discussing the Falcon 9 and Skylab incidents = Americans Demonizing the Chinese? OK, 同志.

*The Sun is technically a newspaper. Technically English, too.
 
4 days ago  

morg: Typical that they ignore all the people living in between New York and Madrid.


Azores and Portugal don't matter.
 
4 days ago  
I went looking for a tracking page and found this. Wasn't what I was looking for be its fun to play with.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "could land anywhere in a 'red zone' that includes New York and Madrid"

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of booster rockets only. There is no stopping in a white zone.


The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of booster rockets only. There is no stopping in the red zone
 
4 days ago  
Be kinda funny if it hit Beijing.
 
4 days ago  

Sexy Jesus: The biggest danger is all the lead.


I dunno, I'd just be worried that if it hits me, I'd want to get by another rocket an hour later.
 
4 days ago  
I wonder why they chose New York and Madrid as the potential impact sites?  They state it could come down anywhere between 41 degrees north and south of the equator - so nearly half the Earth.  But no let's call out New York and Madrid.
 
4 days ago  

dave0821: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "could land anywhere in a 'red zone' that includes New York and Madrid"

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of booster rockets only. There is no stopping in a white zone.

The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of booster rockets only. There is no stopping in the red zone


Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for unloading.
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


It's fair to criticize CNSA and CASC for this.  A large rocket stage is guaranteed to have significant components survive reentry and impact the ground, like turbopump parts made of refractory metals.  Every other modern launcher disposes of its stages in some kind of designated impact zone with warnings issued before launch, or into an internationally designated graveyard orbit.  Designing a new rocket with no ability for controlled disposal is impressively irresponsible.
 
4 days ago  

morg: Typical that they ignore all the people living in between New York and Madrid.


Hey, fish are people, too, you know. Free Willy! (I always thought that was a limited-time offer from a male prostitute).
 
4 days ago  

Xai: You have a better chance of winning the powerball than it hitting a city.


Good thing nobody ever wins powerball.
 
4 days ago  

Cyber Duck: I wonder why they chose New York and Madrid as the potential impact sites?  They state it could come down anywhere between 41 degrees north and south of the equator - so nearly half the Earth.  But no let's call out New York and Madrid.


There would still be a probability curve within that zone.  I am guessing that NY and Madrid are higher than the rest?
 
4 days ago  

hubiestubert: ...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...


Physics lessons with Natalie Dormer

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4 days ago  

Cyber Duck: I wonder why they chose New York and Madrid as the potential impact sites?  They state it could come down anywhere between 41 degrees north and south of the equator - so nearly half the Earth.  But no let's call out New York and Madrid.


The Sun knows its audience.

The world gets pretty brown below 41 north.

/also, subby doesn't know how to extrapolate
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


Well, it is a Chinese rocket booster, originating out of China. making an uncontrolled reentry that places countries other than China at risk. I don't think being a little concerned about this event is demonizing China.
More like; "Hey China, let's be a little more careful about controlling your space junk".
 
4 days ago  
4.2 - 8.4 Tons of Terrestrial origin space junk to smash down in an uncontrolled way within the most populace regions of the planet.  (Using estimates from previous re-entries)

The odds of any of it hitting any given location is very slim - but with the potential scatter patterns, the likely hood of *something* getting hit beyond the ocean is noteworthy.
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


Would it be demonizing to tell them that their vision exceeds their competency and they should knock it off?  It was bad enough when whole buildings were falling over on their side, now they are farking up on a global scale.
 
4 days ago  

Parthenogenetic: hubiestubert: ...most of which will burn up in orbit. And includes a LOT of ocean in the debris path. And large swathes of fairly empty land.

Yeah, there's a chance for damage, but it's in line with my chances to wrassle Natalie Dorman from her husband.

/Call me Alie...

Physics lessons with Natalie Dormer

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and recreating the splashdown:

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4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


Its not demonizing them. Everyone else who does this shiat goes out of their way to prevent stuff like this from happening.

They were just "ehh, fark it, it probably won't hit anyone else, and if it hits us.....ehh....fark it..."
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

Professor Science: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

It's fair to criticize CNSA and CASC for this.  A large rocket stage is guaranteed to have significant components survive reentry and impact the ground, like turbopump parts made of refractory metals.  Every other modern launcher disposes of its stages in some kind of designated impact zone with warnings issued before launch, or into an internationally designated graveyard orbit.  Designing a new rocket with no ability for controlled disposal is impressively irresponsible.


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There's "other space-faring nations had uncontrolled junk that survived re-entry", but then there's ignoring 40 years of active protocol on trying to avoid such scenarios.  I'd guess that Skylab in 1979 was the biggest push for observing protocol after it's partial reentry control failure.

Several surviving tons of Long March booster striking a busy road or an apartment complex is going to be bloody.
 
4 days ago  
haven't we spent hundreds of billions of dollars on missile defense systems that claim to protect against far more sudden and intentional sky threats than this?

shouldn't this be like shooting trap?
 
4 days ago  
If it lands in my yard, can I keep it?
 
DVD
4 days ago  

DVD: Professor Science: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

It's fair to criticize CNSA and CASC for this.  A large rocket stage is guaranteed to have significant components survive reentry and impact the ground, like turbopump parts made of refractory metals.  Every other modern launcher disposes of its stages in some kind of designated impact zone with warnings issued before launch, or into an internationally designated graveyard orbit.  Designing a new rocket with no ability for controlled disposal is impressively irresponsible.

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There's "other space-faring nations had uncontrolled junk that survived re-entry", but then there's ignoring 40 years of active protocol on trying to avoid such scenarios.  I'd guess that Skylab in 1979 was the biggest push for observing protocol after it's partial reentry control failure.

Several surviving tons of Long March booster striking a busy road or an apartment complex is going to be bloody.


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it's != its.  Where's Bob the Flower?
 
4 days ago  

dwlah: Just my luck
Not going to hit New York or Madrid
Its going to hit the outskirts of Odenville
Specifically the house between my neighbors


Odenville?  ODENVILLE?!

/got nothin'
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

Give me a good reason you felt compelled to white knight them.


Give me a good reason you think ANYONE has to answer to your B.S.
 
4 days ago  

DVD: Professor Science: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

It's fair to criticize CNSA and CASC for this.  A large rocket stage is guaranteed to have significant components survive reentry and impact the ground, like turbopump parts made of refractory metals.  Every other modern launcher disposes of its stages in some kind of designated impact zone with warnings issued before launch, or into an internationally designated graveyard orbit.  Designing a new rocket with no ability for controlled disposal is impressively irresponsible.

______________

There's "other space-faring nations had uncontrolled junk that survived re-entry", but then there's ignoring 40 years of active protocol on trying to avoid such scenarios.  I'd guess that Skylab in 1979 was the biggest push for observing protocol after it's partial reentry control failure.

Several surviving tons of Long March booster striking a busy road or an apartment complex is going to be bloody.


Skylab and that Soviet recon satellite that spread radioactive isotopes across the Northwest Territories in the early 70's.
 
4 days ago  
take an umbrella
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.


The brave defenders of the Chinese Communist Party only have two cards in their deck.
1. Whataboutism, seen earlier. Usually historical whataboutism since neither the rest of East and Southeastern Asia nor the Western world have engaged in comparable human rights violations in multiple decades. Or trivializing massive violations on the CPCs side by comparing them to comparably lesser flaws elsewhere.
2. The racism/demonization card as seen above. Any criticism of the totalitarian communist government of China must be tied somehow to bigotry. Which is ridiculous, the authoritarian control and brutality are not racial features of the Chinese or anyone else.

But with only those two cards in their deck, they keep playing them over and over.
 
4 days ago  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

Well, it is a Chinese rocket booster, originating out of China. making an uncontrolled reentry that places countries other than China at risk. I don't think being a little concerned about this event is demonizing China.
More like; "Hey China, let's be a little more careful about controlling your space junk".


China has a history of making Safety 5th for their space program

Lets say the rocket lands in New York Central Park and takes out a few blocks of buildings.  Does the US send China a bill for the damage?
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The 21-ton Twenty Wonton Long March 5b is returning to earth"

Well I guess that is one way to put it.


FTFC
 
4 days ago  
Ah yes, of course, the Sun is there, the Queen's own National Enquirer.
 
4 days ago  

InfoFreako: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

Would it be demonizing to tell them that their vision exceeds their competency and they should knock it off?  It was bad enough when whole buildings were falling over on their side, now they are farking up on a global scale.


You don't incompetently launch something that big.

You can say they don't care about the consequences, and that's true. But there isn't anything incompetent about it, it was a deliberate design choice.

/I always marvel at the fark belief that China is incompetent
 
4 days ago  

TommyDeuce: Marcus Aurelius: Demonizing the Chinese is a tradition as old as the country.  Maybe we can replace the Star Spangled Banner with a song about how much America hates China.

Can I just demonize anyone who is currently launching large objects that sometimes "oopsie" into orbit for a while with no way to control where they come down?  Or do I just shut up because it's cheaper to launch them this way so yay, they're moving towards capitalism?


I got the impression that this is by design.

Like Spacelab, so fark NASA?

It would be farking cool if it landed where I live, but I am out of the zone.
 
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