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(Law and Crime)   Woman who assaulted and attempted to strip a flight attendant proclaims "The police aren't going to do anything to me." Off-duty NYPD officer seated nearby: "Challenge accepted"   (lawandcrime.com) divider line
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2021-05-03 10:00:35 PM  
There was a report on NBC news tonight about air travel violence. The FAA warned fark around and find out.
In a typical year there are something like 150 people formally charged with farking around, and this year it was like 1300 so far.
Enjoy your trip.
 
2021-05-04 5:42:30 AM  
How hard is it to just not be a sh*thead?
 
2021-05-04 5:46:14 AM  
Enjoy walking back to Florida.
 
2021-05-04 5:46:14 AM  
Hmmm...I think she might be related to General Klytus

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2021-05-04 5:49:27 AM  
Strip the attendant? Dafuq?
 
2021-05-04 5:53:44 AM  

Smoking GNU: Strip the attendant? Dafuq?


Sounds like a game the Addams Family plays.
 
2021-05-04 6:00:03 AM  
Did she have the chicken, or the fish?
 
2021-05-04 6:09:43 AM  
That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.
 
2021-05-04 6:16:18 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: How hard is it to just not be a sh*thead?


Remarkably so for a lot of people. I have been wondering now for a couple of years if there is some mysterious pathogen that is making people go generally nuts, zombie apocalypse-wise.

Seriously.

I'm seeing a lot of really crazy stunts on the road while I drive that stupid little truck around Seattle. Hyper aggressive driving like hard right turns in front of me from the left lanes, people deliberately pushing through and blocking intersections while waiting for a light to change two blocks down the street. Seattle is near total gridlock, especially in the downtown core area, Capitol Hill, and the U-District from about 7 in the morning to about 6 at night. Last week I got trapped in a parking lot by some twit in a new Tesla who pulled right in front of me just as I was pulling out, parked in a loading zone, backed up right against my front bumper, got out and walked into the store I was delivering to. Not a care in the world. I sat there for about half an hour waiting for her to come back out. When I mentioned this to her, she basically rolled her eyes and got into her car and sat there for another 5 minute or so just to be a vindictive biatch.

Toot one's horn and that gets people out of their cars ready to fight at the drop of a hat. 

Seriously considering whether I should renew my CCW and start carrying again.
 
2021-05-04 6:17:32 AM  

jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.


If two women want to roll around on the floor trying to rip each other's clothes off, I'm certainly not going to get involved. Watch, sure. Involved, no.
 
2021-05-04 6:26:21 AM  

Mr_Vimes: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

If two women want to roll around on the floor trying to rip each other's clothes off, I'm certainly not going to get involved. Watch, sure. Involved, no.


Two women rolling around is much better, but if you're a stand-up guy and help people out before it comes to that, you meet a lot of appreciative people that want to buy you drinks, maybe roll around with you themselves...
 
2021-05-04 6:32:43 AM  

jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.


He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?
 
2021-05-04 6:44:56 AM  
FTFA: Darrow said his client is already enrolled in a mental health treatment program pursuant to a current case that's ongoing.

So she's like this all the time?
 
2021-05-04 6:46:08 AM  
Since her passport is currently lost, she's not allowed to apply for a new one. And if she comes across her current passport, she's supposed to turn it in.

Wait... if your passport is lost, you're not allowed to apply for a new one? WTF is that sh*t?
 
2021-05-04 6:53:41 AM  

uttertosh: Since her passport is currently lost, she's not allowed to apply for a new one. And if she comes across her current passport, she's supposed to turn it in.

Wait... if your passport is lost, you're not allowed to apply for a new one? WTF is that sh*t?


She's not allowed. You or I would be.
 
2021-05-04 6:54:22 AM  

CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?


I'd rather defend myself for having tried to do the right thing than for sitting back and doing nothing while something horrible happened right in front of me.

Not a cop, would never be a cop. but I've intervened in hundreds, maybe thousands of situations depending on the scale of what you call a situation. Nothing bad ever became of it for me. If someone wanted to make it bad, there were always people behind me saying I was doing the right thing and the person making the noise was in the wrong. But of course I never saw it necessary to shoot someone or beat the mess out of them to make my point... Most people, even raging asses, you can just talk to them and keep talking to them about something else and take their attention away from whomever it is they want to attack. If nothing else, they'll shut up and calm down so you'll go away.
 
2021-05-04 6:54:28 AM  
U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Officer Anthony Apath
I'm surprised he cared enough to do something about it.
 
2021-05-04 6:57:24 AM  
if this was United Airlines, she'd be flat as a pancake somewhere in North Carolina.
 
2021-05-04 7:11:30 AM  

Mr_Vimes: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

If two women want to roll around on the floor trying to rip each other's clothes off, I'm certainly not going to get involved. Watch, sure. Involved, no.


Yeah.  You need to see some underwear first.  And maybe a kiss.
 
2021-05-04 7:14:23 AM  
Hilfe, hilfe!
 
2021-05-04 7:16:28 AM  

Deathfrogg: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: How hard is it to just not be a sh*thead?

Remarkably so for a lot of people. I have been wondering now for a couple of years if there is some mysterious pathogen that is making people go generally nuts, zombie apocalypse-wise.

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2021-05-04 7:18:57 AM  

jimjays: CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?

I'd rather defend myself for having tried to do the right thing than for sitting back and doing nothing while something horrible happened right in front of me.

Not a cop, would never be a cop. but I've intervened in hundreds, maybe thousands of situations depending on the scale of what you call a situation. Nothing bad ever became of it for me. If someone wanted to make it bad, there were always people behind me saying I was doing the right thing and the person making the noise was in the wrong. But of course I never saw it necessary to shoot someone or beat the mess out of them to make my point... Most people, even raging asses, you can just talk to them and keep talking to them about something else and take their attention away from whomever it is they want to attack. If nothing else, they'll shut up and calm down so you'll go away.


Put another way, you were "willing to intervene and take your chances with the court case." Admirable, but not everyone has that level of willingness to explain themselves before a judge and jury.
 
2021-05-04 7:21:39 AM  

CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?


Because it's the right farking thing to do?
 
2021-05-04 7:30:09 AM  

Candygram4Mongo: jimjays: CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?

I'd rather defend myself for having tried to do the right thing than for sitting back and doing nothing while something horrible happened right in front of me.

Not a cop, would never be a cop. but I've intervened in hundreds, maybe thousands of situations depending on the scale of what you call a situation. Nothing bad ever became of it for me. If someone wanted to make it bad, there were always people behind me saying I was doing the right thing and the person making the noise was in the wrong. But of course I never saw it necessary to shoot someone or beat the mess out of them to make my point... Most people, even raging asses, you can just talk to them and keep talking to them about something else and take their attention away from whomever it is they want to attack. If nothing else, they'll shut up and calm down so you'll go away.

Put another way, you were "willing to intervene and take your chances with the court case." Admirable, but not everyone has that level of willingness to explain themselves before a judge and jury.


Yes, that's a fair statement. If you don't become more unreasonable than the crazy or violent person, it shouldn't be so hard to stay out of trouble. Even drunks and crazy people sense you're trying to help and tend to cooperate. (You frame half of your discussion in keeping them out of trouble.)
 
2021-05-04 7:32:43 AM  

uttertosh: Since her passport is currently lost, she's not allowed to apply for a new one. And if she comes across her current passport, she's supposed to turn it in.

Wait... if your passport is lost, you're not allowed to apply for a new one? WTF is that sh*t?


Surrendering your passport is pretty common when you're out on bail.
 
2021-05-04 7:36:27 AM  

Deathfrogg: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: How hard is it to just not be a sh*thead?

Remarkably so for a lot of people. I have been wondering now for a couple of years if there is some mysterious pathogen that is making people go generally nuts, zombie apocalypse-wise.....


I've been studying this a little bit since I was prescribed a statin drug to lower my cholesterol, and turned into a monster. I had a short (or non existent) fuse, paranoia, continuous anger issues. Two of my co-workers also have the same issue. They were my best friends, now no one here even associates with them due to their attitude. ....and the doctors prescribe this crap to everyone.

here is an example:

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/articl​e​/97/4/229/1525385

and yes, I know it probably doesn't happen to everyone. But it did to me....


Plus there is this as well....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Lead%E2%​80%93crime_hypothesis

So yeah, there probably is something screwing with people chemically.
 
2021-05-04 7:38:29 AM  
Campbell may have come off as responding tersely because she's currently in a holding cell where she's been for several hours and she is worried about and thinking about her three children.
"I was just explaining why she was in some distress right now," the defense attorney continued. "She's trying to keep it together."


Typical victim mentality right here. Not her fault. She's been made to feel distress. Her poor babies. We should feel sorry for her.

If she gets a slap on the wrist, this behavior will continue.
 
2021-05-04 7:38:53 AM  
Reminds me of the time I was bar tending and an already very intoxicated guy was getting turned away by the bouncer.  An on-duty cop stepped over to intervene and the drunk guy pushed the cop while yelling "What are you gonna do? Arrest me?????"

/Yes, that is indeed what he is gonna do
//CSB
///Three slashies
 
2021-05-04 7:40:43 AM  

amigafin: Deathfrogg: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: How hard is it to just not be a sh*thead?

Remarkably so for a lot of people. I have been wondering now for a couple of years if there is some mysterious pathogen that is making people go generally nuts, zombie apocalypse-wise.....

I've been studying this a little bit since I was prescribed a statin drug to lower my cholesterol, and turned into a monster. I had a short (or non existent) fuse, paranoia, continuous anger issues. Two of my co-workers also have the same issue. They were my best friends, now no one here even associates with them due to their attitude. ....and the doctors prescribe this crap to everyone.

here is an example:

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article​/97/4/229/1525385

and yes, I know it probably doesn't happen to everyone. But it did to me....


Plus there is this as well....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

So yeah, there probably is something screwing with people chemically.


I blame the narcissism of the Instagram age.
 
2021-05-04 7:42:24 AM  

Deathfrogg: Seriously considering whether I should renew my CCW and start carrying again.


Here in Atlanta?  There has been a crazy increase in gun violence during road rage incidents. Instead of honking horns, pulling triggers is the new norm.

Time to invest in getting an armored car.
 
2021-05-04 7:49:54 AM  

amigafin: Deathfrogg: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: How hard is it to just not be a sh*thead?

Remarkably so for a lot of people. I have been wondering now for a couple of years if there is some mysterious pathogen that is making people go generally nuts, zombie apocalypse-wise.....

I've been studying this a little bit since I was prescribed a statin drug to lower my cholesterol, and turned into a monster. I had a short (or non existent) fuse, paranoia, continuous anger issues. Two of my co-workers also have the same issue. They were my best friends, now no one here even associates with them due to their attitude. ....and the doctors prescribe this crap to everyone.

here is an example:

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article​/97/4/229/1525385

and yes, I know it probably doesn't happen to everyone. But it did to me....


Plus there is this as well....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

So yeah, there probably is something screwing with people chemically.


I'm not sure how likely it is for a 28 year old to be on cholesterol medication.

As far as airlines are concerned, the people who normally fly are staying home and the people who are flying now are those who already have a "fark others" attitude and are taking advantage of cheap airfare.
 
2021-05-04 7:52:13 AM  
After all the backlash the cops are getting and you wonder why he did not intervene? Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. So carry on with your defund the cops idiocy.
 
2021-05-04 7:52:51 AM  

sleze: Hmmm...I think she might be related to General Klytus

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What plaything can she offer me today?
 
2021-05-04 7:54:21 AM  

barefoot2008: After all the backlash the cops are getting and you wonder why he did not intervene? Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. So carry on with your defund the cops idiocy.


Welcome to my world.
 
2021-05-04 8:06:52 AM  

barefoot2008: After all the backlash the cops are getting and you wonder why he did not intervene? Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. So carry on with your defund the cops idiocy.


The cops get backlash because they keep shooting and beating people--and the thousands of less serious slights short of that. If they behave with humanity they'll get much better treatment. They expect respect of the badge rather than earning the respect and appreciation of the person. It shouldn't take long of talking to someone respectfully that the person  realizes "you aren't "one of them"...
 
2021-05-04 8:08:31 AM  

CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?


I used to work for the Federal Air Marshal Service (I was not a FAM, but office support).  Some cops are allowed to carry their service weapons on board a flight IF they agree to act as security IAW with FAMS protocols (at least that program was ramping up when I left a few years back - can't say if it ever full took off).

FAMs do not intervene unless flight crew asks them to, typically, to maintain their cover.

Many FAMs I know were bummed because stuff like this tends to happen when no FAM is aboard. They are bored a good percentage of the time.

/No OPSEC broken
 
2021-05-04 8:11:21 AM  

jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.


In an ideal world, sure. In the real world, he has no authority to intervene, and I'd wager the airlines don't want the average cop to play Air Marshal Hero. Most cops probably don't want to get involved, as that's an easy way to get sued, and you'd be looking at a lot of interstate travel to deal with the lawsuit. Their home agency may have rules about getting involved.

The cockpit is locked, and anyone who goes totes bananas will have to deal with several passengers, including a cop (if there's one on board). A little ruckus? Let the airline employees handle it, at least until they ask for help over the PA. A serious threat to passengers and plane? Go to town on the perp.
 
2021-05-04 8:17:55 AM  

uttertosh: Since her passport is currently lost, she's not allowed to apply for a new one. And if she comes across her current passport, she's supposed to turn it in.

Wait... if your passport is lost, you're not allowed to apply for a new one? WTF is that sh*t?


NARRATOR: "Her passport isn't lost. She has it stashed in case she decides to flee the country."

The tell is alerting authorities after you've been arrested and charged that it's "missing".
 
2021-05-04 8:18:19 AM  

freetomato: CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?

I used to work for the Federal Air Marshal Service (I was not a FAM, but office support).  Some cops are allowed to carry their service weapons on board a flight IF they agree to act as security IAW with FAMS protocols (at least that program was ramping up when I left a few years back - can't say if it ever full took off).

FAMs do not intervene unless flight crew asks them to, typically, to maintain their cover.

Many FAMs I know were bummed because stuff like this tends to happen when no FAM is aboard. They are bored a good percentage of the time.

/No OPSEC broken


The additional risk of a Federal Air Marshal intervening is that the "passenger scuffle" might simply be a ruse to identify and/or distract the FAM while the terrorists proceed with their game plan.
 
2021-05-04 8:18:54 AM  

freetomato: CruiserTwelve: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

He has no police authority on the plane, so he's not covered by his employer in the event of a lawsuit. Why would he risk being attacked by the crazy woman and having to defend himself and end up getting sued?

I used to work for the Federal Air Marshal Service (I was not a FAM, but office support).  Some cops are allowed to carry their service weapons on board a flight IF they agree to act as security IAW with FAMS protocols (at least that program was ramping up when I left a few years back - can't say if it ever full took off).

FAMs do not intervene unless flight crew asks them to, typically, to maintain their cover.

Many FAMs I know were bummed because stuff like this tends to happen when no FAM is aboard. They are bored a good percentage of the time.

/No OPSEC broken


And I see that yes, LEOs can, for the most part, fly armed. It would be interesting to see if a state or local LEO would be "represented", legally, by the government if they acted in the capacity of a FAM on a flight during an emergency situation. No doubt the lawyers at the DHS have thought this scenario through.
 
2021-05-04 8:21:02 AM  

Candygram4Mongo: The additional risk of a Federal Air Marshal intervening is that the "passenger scuffle" might simply be a ruse to identify and/or distract the FAM while the terrorists proceed with their game plan.



Exactly. They also don't want the bad guys to know who is carrying the only firearms on the plane, thus, who the bad guys should "take out" first.
 
2021-05-04 8:24:45 AM  

indy_kid: jimjays: That cop should have intervened and de-escalated the situation well before they were rolling around on the floor.

In an ideal world, sure. In the real world, he has no authority to intervene, and I'd wager the airlines don't want the average cop to play Air Marshal Hero. Most cops probably don't want to get involved, as that's an easy way to get sued, and you'd be looking at a lot of interstate travel to deal with the lawsuit. Their home agency may have rules about getting involved.

The cockpit is locked, and anyone who goes totes bananas will have to deal with several passengers, including a cop (if there's one on board). A little ruckus? Let the airline employees handle it, at least until they ask for help over the PA. A serious threat to passengers and plane? Go to town on the perp.


People keep saying some version of that and it's the problem with so many areas of life. Nobody steps up to do the right thing when they see a problem in front of them, are pissed that no one steps up to help them, and people get angrier and feel justified in being a dick.  "I had to let them beat the hell out of that woman because something could have happened to me." The term is bystander apathy, and ironically, the more people see a problem the less likely anyone is to step up and stop it.
 
2021-05-04 8:28:59 AM  

Smoking GNU: Strip the attendant? Dafuq?


Isn't that what you pay extra for to fly first class?
 
2021-05-04 8:29:24 AM  

cretinbob: There was a report on NBC news tonight about air travel violence. The FAA warned fark around and find out.
In a typical year there are something like 150 people formally charged with farking around, and this year it was like 1300 so far.
Enjoy your trip.


What's more amazing is that air travel is still down by a very significant percentage due to the pandemic.

Which brings up the question:  Is this because people are actually more violent, or is it roughly the same level as before, but stuff that would have resulted in a warning before now results in an arrest?
 
2021-05-04 8:29:54 AM  

uttertosh: Since her passport is currently lost, she's not allowed to apply for a new one. And if she comes across her current passport, she's supposed to turn it in.

Wait... if your passport is lost, you're not allowed to apply for a new one? WTF is that sh*t?


Because assuming she actually did lose the original, they don't want her applying for a new one while awaiting trial and then using to leave the country and avoid trial
 
2021-05-04 8:31:40 AM  

jimjays: " The term is bystander apathy, and ironically, the more people see a problem the less likely anyone is to step up and stop it.


Too many people saw the last Seinfeld episodes.
 
2021-05-04 8:41:52 AM  

steklo: Deathfrogg: Seriously considering whether I should renew my CCW and start carrying again.

Here in Atlanta?  There has been a crazy increase in gun violence during road rage incidents. Instead of honking horns, pulling triggers is the new norm.

Time to invest in getting an armored car.


Go with the Land Cruiser. It's what most governments abroad do.
 
2021-05-04 8:42:02 AM  

dittybopper: cretinbob: There was a report on NBC news tonight about air travel violence. The FAA warned fark around and find out.
In a typical year there are something like 150 people formally charged with farking around, and this year it was like 1300 so far.
Enjoy your trip.

What's more amazing is that air travel is still down by a very significant percentage due to the pandemic.

Which brings up the question:  Is this because people are actually more violent, or is it roughly the same level as before, but stuff that would have resulted in a warning before now results in an arrest?


Oh, and there's a third possibility:  Things that aren't actually violence are included.

From NBC's actual story:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/​f​aa-warns-spike-unruly-dangerous-passen​ger-behavior-n1266156

The behavior in question includes passengers refusing to wear masks, drinking excessively and engaging in alleged physical or verbal assault, including what the agency describes as political intimidation and harassment of lawmakers.

The things I bolded aren't actually violence.  They might be unacceptable behavior on a commercial aircraft, but that's not the same thing as getting into a fist fight or groping someone.  Note that NBC is careful to call it "dangerous and unruly behavior", not violence per se.

Also I wonder about the "political intimidation and harassment of lawmakers".   They didn't cite any actual instances of it, though they did mention the opposite of that, an Alaskan state senator giving airline staff a hard time about wearing a mask.

But that story does seem to confirm at least one of my suspicions:

"It is not permissible and we will not tolerate interfering with a flight crew and the performance of their safety duties," Stephen Dickson, the administrator of the FAA, said of the wave of incidents. "Period."

The FAA is now taking a "zero-tolerance" approach to poor behavior: Unruly passengers face potential criminal charges, fines up to $35,000 or lifetime bans on certain airlines.


So stuff that you maybe would have gotten away with prior to the pandemic you're not going to get away with anymore.   That alone is probably what's behind the increase in incidents reported.   Stuff that would have resulted in a warning back in 2019 will now get you arrested, because of "zero tolerance".
 
2021-05-04 8:43:43 AM  

gar1013: Go with the Land Cruiser. It's what most governments abroad do.


Sadly most of these shootings?  Right through the windows.
 
2021-05-04 8:45:05 AM  

jimjays: barefoot2008: After all the backlash the cops are getting and you wonder why he did not intervene? Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. So carry on with your defund the cops idiocy.

The cops get backlash because they keep shooting and beating people--and the thousands of less serious slights short of that. If they behave with humanity they'll get much better treatment. They expect respect of the badge rather than earning the respect and appreciation of the person. It shouldn't take long of talking to someone respectfully that the person  realizes "you aren't "one of them"...


Bullshiat. Cops are getting in trouble for doing everything completely right.

A cop also probably knows that a lot of these incidents on airplaned get reported in the news. If the cop intervened when this was just a shouting match or even a minor scuffle we'd be reading a Fark headline about how a some pig attacked a black woman on an airplane.
 
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