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(Denver Post)   While most states are adding renewable energy sources as fast as they can, Wyoming is suing states that won't buy their coal   (denverpost.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Carbon dioxide, Coal, Fossil fuel, dwindling coal industry, Supreme Court of the United States, state leaders, renewable energy, Republican Gov. Mark Gordon  
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5 days ago  
Those poor buggy whip makers
 
5 days ago  
It's adorable Wyoming thinks they are a real state.
 
5 days ago  
Weak cucks crying for the Nanny State to take care of them and asking the activist Courts to legislate from the Bench. Sad.
 
5 days ago  
Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.
 
5 days ago  
The state is named for a town in Pennsylvania, so...
 
5 days ago  
I'm sure they'll have more luck than Canute.
 
5 days ago  
The Mob model. Now with Court.
 
5 days ago  
The law signed April 6 by Republican Gov. greedy fark Mark Gordon creates a $1.2 million fund for an initiative that marks the latest attempt by state leaders to help coal in the state that accounts for the bulk of U.S. coal production, which is down by half since 2008.
"Wyoming is sending a message that it is prepared to bring litigation to protect her interests they are greedy farkers," Gordon spokesman Michael Pearlman said of the fund signed into law April 6. "Our kickbacks are worth selling our soul for," he did not add.
 
5 days ago  
They should just do it the old fashioned way and buy some politicians in DC, get some legislation passed. You gotta pay to play.
 
5 days ago  
More surprised it isn't West Virginia. Isn't that like their one and only natural resource?
 
5 days ago  

AliceBToklasLives: It's adorable Wyoming thinks they are a real state.


They still get the same number of Senators as New York, or Texas.

fark that.
 
5 days ago  
If you want to sell that shiat - you need to come up with other uses for it. It sucks for energy.

Do clipper ships still need ballast?
 
5 days ago  

Axeofjudgement: More surprised it isn't West Virginia. Isn't that like their one and only natural resource?


Nah, WV also has an enormous radio telescope.  While this itself is a source of income, the real $$$ is the radio dead zone around it which attracts all the nutters who think they are allergic to cell phone signals.

/Been having to take a lot of Zyrtec since my Pfizer 5G upgrade.
 
5 days ago  
Free market lol
 
5 days ago  

AliceBToklasLives: It's adorable Wyoming thinks they are a real state.


Wyoming:
Population: 579k American citizens
1 Congress Rep
2 Senators
3 votes in Electoral College

DC+Puerto Rico+Guam
Population: 4.054 Million American citizens
0 Congressional reps
0 Senators
0 Electoral College votes

Evidence says, they're right - as they have an incredibly outsized voice in American politics, despite being a sparsely populated frontier with a smattering of coal miners and wannabe cowboys.
 
5 days ago  

Axeofjudgement: More surprised it isn't West Virginia. Isn't that like their one and only natural resource?


Meth
 
5 days ago  
Taker state wants handouts. News at 11.
 
5 days ago  
Is it clean?  I'll roll it if it's clean.
 
5 days ago  

puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.


My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.
 
5 days ago  
More kids' parents should sue their neighbors that don't buy product at their kids' lemonade stands. And if the neighbors happen to be obese or diabetic that lemonade is unhealthy for them, tough! The kids are important and there's no reason they should sell healthier drinks or try a car wash instead.
 
5 days ago  
good ol' red states  spend all their effort and money clinging onto things going the way of the dinosaur.

you could use those resources instead to diversify your economy and move towards the future more recent past, but that would require admitting you were wrong, which is impossible for them to fathom
 
5 days ago  

kittyhas1000legs: puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.

My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.


I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

There was an article I saw a while ago about that area, might've been Montana? A town's big coal plant closed but a wind company wanted to come in and build a ginormous wind farm to generate power. They actually banned or curtailed the legality of wind generation so that business couldn't operate and "steal the coal plant's power transmission lines" and the state borrowed $ to go hunt for a buyer to reopen the coal plant. Unsuccessfully of course.
 
5 days ago  
Wyoming Coal!  It's not just for power generation anymore.   You can cook with it, run antiquated vehicles with it.  Why!  You can have coal burning parties with your friends!  Think of the fun.  Thanks to coal, kiddies can go as hoboes for Trick or Treat!

Come on out and see Burning Man Wyoming 2021!  Maybe you'll see some nekkid/painted chicks but we do know there will be a massive Coal Man ready to be burned!

You can buy Wyoming Coal anywhere you buy coal.  And it's better coal than those eastern states!  Plus we don't blow the tops off beautiful mountains to get it --- yet.

Wyoming Coal!  Buy some or we'll sue you.  We know you read this!
 
5 days ago  
If you could convince just a tiny fraction of New Yorkers to move to Wyoming, they could turn that state blue overnight.
 
5 days ago  
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One percent of the people in the least populated state. Let's make a nice round number that we are talking about 6000 people.

Pay them each $100,000 a year until retirement to  shut up. That's a $600M national subsidy. Most of these people are middle aged so assuming 25 years of full payments that's $15B over 25 years.

AMERICAS RENEWABLE ENERGY SECTOR IS WORTH $55 BILLION A YEAR RIGHT NOW AND ITS ONLY 15% OF US ENERGY PRODUCTION

Pay these miners more than they'd ever make mining coal to sit down and shut the fark up and renewable energy costs at today's scale only go up one percent. Scale renewables nationwide without coal to 75% of the grid and isn't even mathematically worth caring.

Of course what the Wyoming governor is really complaining about, and what all the Wyoming people are complaining about is taxes. All that sweet coal leaving their state gets taxed by them before it becomes electricity for you. That money pays for everything. They don't have any state taxes and they're scared their tax free (to them) libertarian paradise will come crashing down.
 
5 days ago  
Looking as forward to the end of fossil fuels as anyone. I think, however, that WY is suing states that won't allow them to transport coal through -and out- of them. The article mentions that they are suing WA for blocking construction of a shipping port. While in my opinion this seems well within WA's rights, there are probably some federal interstate commerce clauses that will be tested here.
They're not suing states for not buying their coal, based upon what I quickly gleaned from the article.
 
5 days ago  

GregInIndy: kittyhas1000legs: puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.

My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.

I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

There was an article I saw a while ago about that area, might've been Montana? A town's big coal plant closed but a wind company wanted to come in and build a ginormous wind farm to generate power. They actually banned or curtailed the legality of wind generation so that business couldn't operate and "steal the coal plant's power transmission lines" and the state borrowed $ to go hunt for a buyer to reopen the coal plant. Unsuccessfully of course.


I don't know about points west, but Iowa has a metric shiat-ton of wind turbines.
 
5 days ago  

thealgorerhythm: Of course what the Wyoming governor is really complaining about, and what all the Wyoming people are complaining about is taxes. All that sweet coal leaving their state gets taxed by them before it becomes electricity for you. That money pays for everything. They don't have any state taxes and they're scared their tax free (to them) libertarian paradise will come crashing down.


It's entirely possible, and reasonable, to tax wind-generated power leaving the state too.
 
5 days ago  
I guess theyve given up on those free market solutions.
 
5 days ago  

GregInIndy: I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.


Anybody who puts up a windmill can generate electricity. But coal is located only right here in this hole that the company owns.

It's sort of the same scam as diamonds. We control the entire supply, so we get to set the value.
 
5 days ago  

TommyDeuce: GregInIndy: kittyhas1000legs: puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.

My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.

I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

There was an article I saw a while ago about that area, might've been Montana? A town's big coal plant closed but a wind company wanted to come in and build a ginormous wind farm to generate power. They actually banned or curtailed the legality of wind generation so that business couldn't operate and "steal the coal plant's power transmission lines" and the state borrowed $ to go hunt for a buyer to reopen the coal plant. Unsuccessfully of course.

I don't know about points west, but Iowa has a metric shiat-ton of wind turbines.


Yep. Big wind farms here & there in Indiana too. GREATway for farmers to make even more money off their land. Power from turbines with corn & soybeans growing underneath. Makes perfect sense. We need more of it.
 
5 days ago  

GregInIndy: thealgorerhythm: Of course what the Wyoming governor is really complaining about, and what all the Wyoming people are complaining about is taxes. All that sweet coal leaving their state gets taxed by them before it becomes electricity for you. That money pays for everything. They don't have any state taxes and they're scared their tax free (to them) libertarian paradise will come crashing down.

It's entirely possible, and reasonable, to tax wind-generated power leaving the state too.


Don't you tell them what to do with your city slicker wind tax mumbo jumbo.
 
5 days ago  
Sooner or later, tech will evolve to the point where the production of high efficiency solar panels or similar makes connecting yourself to a grid and paying for electricity a stupid premise. Why should I pay for someone to give me power when I make it on site? Throw up some high density batteries that should carry overnight, and you won't need to be connected to a grid, unless you power share with your neighbors who use more than they generate.

Eventually, paying for electricity will be as strange and antiquated as having an open fire in your living room to cook food.
 
5 days ago  

Private_Citizen: AliceBToklasLives: It's adorable Wyoming thinks they are a real state.

Wyoming:
Population: 579k American citizens
1 Congress Rep
2 Senators
3 votes in Electoral College

DC+Puerto Rico+Guam
Population: 4.054 Million American citizens
0 Congressional reps
0 Senators
0 Electoral College votes

Evidence says, they're right - as they have an incredibly outsized voice in American politics, despite being a sparsely populated frontier with a smattering of coal miners and wannabe cowboys.


DC has three EC votes, a number that it is restricted to as it is not allowed to have more EC votes than the least populous state (WY).
 
5 days ago  

bloobeary: GregInIndy: I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

Anybody who puts up a windmill can generate electricity. But coal is located only right here in this hole that the company owns.

It's sort of the same scam as diamonds. We control the entire supply, so we get to set the value.


And diamonds are pressurized coal.

THIS MEANS SOMETHING!
 
5 days ago  

GregInIndy: TommyDeuce: GregInIndy: kittyhas1000legs: puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.

My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.

I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

There was an article I saw a while ago about that area, might've been Montana? A town's big coal plant closed but a wind company wanted to come in and build a ginormous wind farm to generate power. They actually banned or curtailed the legality of wind generation so that business couldn't operate and "steal the coal plant's power transmission lines" and the state borrowed $ to go hunt for a buyer to reopen the coal plant. Unsuccessfully of course.

I don't know about points west, but Iowa has a metric shiat-ton of wind turbines.

Yep. Big wind farms here & there in Indiana too. GREATway for farmers to make even more money off their land. Power from turbines with corn & soybeans growing underneath. Makes perfect sense. We need more of it.


They're trying to do it in my IN. county. Neighbors are up in arms about the "eyesore." Don't care about the contractually-mandated reduction in electricity bills.  (I find the eyesore argument ironic, as "out in the county" everyone tells me here I can do whatever I want with my house and land. Nobody cares about permits or anything.
 
5 days ago  

H31N0US: Axeofjudgement: More surprised it isn't West Virginia. Isn't that like their one and only natural resource?

Meth


Oxy prescriptions too! But they finally cracked down on that.
 
5 days ago  

Private_Citizen: AliceBToklasLives: It's adorable Wyoming thinks they are a real state.

Wyoming:
Population: 579k American citizens
1 Congress Rep
2 Senators
3 votes in Electoral College

DC+Puerto Rico+Guam
Population: 4.054 Million American citizens
0 Congressional reps
0 Senators
0 Electoral College votes

Evidence says, they're right - as they have an incredibly outsized voice in American politics, despite being a sparsely populated frontier with a smattering of coal miners and wannabe cowboys.


And Joe Manchin is fine with that.
 
5 days ago  

GregInIndy: TommyDeuce: GregInIndy: kittyhas1000legs: puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.

My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.

I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

There was an article I saw a while ago about that area, might've been Montana? A town's big coal plant closed but a wind company wanted to come in and build a ginormous wind farm to generate power. They actually banned or curtailed the legality of wind generation so that business couldn't operate and "steal the coal plant's power transmission lines" and the state borrowed $ to go hunt for a buyer to reopen the coal plant. Unsuccessfully of course.

I don't know about points west, but Iowa has a metric shiat-ton of wind turbines.

Yep. Big wind farms here & there in Indiana too. GREATway for farmers to make even more money off their land. Power from turbines with corn & soybeans growing underneath. Makes perfect sense. We need more of it.


Plus the dead birds fertilize the soil!  It truely is the circle of life!  Hell, the vertical ones that a recent article stated are more efficient could even double up as a cell to... I mean uh... nevermind.
 
5 days ago  

chewd: I guess theyve given up on those free market solutions.


The only time capitasts actually want a "free market" is when it directly benefits them. Otherwise their goal is to have a monopoly.
 
5 days ago  
"Wyoming is sending a message that it is prepared to bring litigation to protect her interests, at the expense of everyone else on the planet because we are dicks that way" Gordon spokesman Michael Pearlman said, very dick-like, of the fund signed into law April 6.
 
5 days ago  
All my electricity is clean. I don't think there even is a coal power plant. I could be wrong, but I think it is mostly hydro and nuclear.
 
5 days ago  

thealgorerhythm: bloobeary: GregInIndy: I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

Anybody who puts up a windmill can generate electricity. But coal is located only right here in this hole that the company owns.

It's sort of the same scam as diamonds. We control the entire supply, so we get to set the value.

And diamonds are pressurized coal.

THIS MEANS SOMETHING!


As we are carbon-based lifeforms, we greatly value carbon.
 
5 days ago  

Random Companion: GregInIndy: TommyDeuce: GregInIndy: kittyhas1000legs: puffy999: Whyoming is a huge wind resource.

What idiocy.

My wife and I went there for the eclipse.  There's so much damn wind that the trees planted as windbreaks are leaning diagonally.  Huge areas with no trees, no farms, constant wind, and zero windmills.

I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

There was an article I saw a while ago about that area, might've been Montana? A town's big coal plant closed but a wind company wanted to come in and build a ginormous wind farm to generate power. They actually banned or curtailed the legality of wind generation so that business couldn't operate and "steal the coal plant's power transmission lines" and the state borrowed $ to go hunt for a buyer to reopen the coal plant. Unsuccessfully of course.

I don't know about points west, but Iowa has a metric shiat-ton of wind turbines.

Yep. Big wind farms here & there in Indiana too. GREATway for farmers to make even more money off their land. Power from turbines with corn & soybeans growing underneath. Makes perfect sense. We need more of it.

Plus the dead birds fertilize the soil!  It truely is the circle of life!  Hell, the vertical ones that a recent article stated are more efficient could even double up as a cell to... I mean uh... nevermind.


In a strange twist of pure irony, the blades on the turbines are not recyclable. Therefor they're transferred to a desolate area and buried in...... Wyoming.
 
5 days ago  
Wait, what? I thought Trump said he was going to save the coal industry. I mean, surely all his hard work at saving the coal industry did not just magically crumble into dust since Biden took over, right?

Also, speaking of the coal industry:


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5 days ago  

bloobeary: GregInIndy: I don't see why they aren't throwing up wind farms out there like crazy. The Great Plains could be a energy cash cow without having to dig an inch for coal.

Anybody who puts up a windmill can generate electricity. But coal is located only right here in this hole that the company owns.

It's sort of the same scam as diamonds. We control the entire supply, so we get to set the value.


Wrong for so many reasons, price a windmill big enough to power your house, then add in the cost to put up the pole and guy wires, then add the cost of a battery bank to ride through a couple days without significant wind production, now add a whole house inverter. Now compare those costs divided over their lifetime to the cost of grid scale wind at $.04/kWh (or less, I haven't seen what the newest towers with good siting cost).
 
5 days ago  

AliceBToklasLives: It's adorable Wyoming thinks they are a real state.


Hey, they are ready to spend (pinky to llips) one point two million dollars to file a major complex lawsuit!!!!

///ha ha ha ha ha
 
5 days ago  
using all that state money over the years to prop up an industry that at best represents a few thousand jobs in Wyoming. So really its state $$ being used to help a handful of mine owners

I would guess they donate to the governor
 
5 days ago  
Lignite Litigation Looms as Lawmakers Lambaste Lackluster Livelihood


Film at 11.
=Smidge=
 
5 days ago  
My favorite part is that they set aside $1.2m dollars to sue other "states". Around here that means Colorado, every damn time. But $1.2m dollars? Go ahead, sue us. Your fund will be empty before your lawyers get done filing their case in the federal court in Denver. It will probably be a Denver area lawyer representing wyoming, in a court filled with Denver area federal employees, with a Denver area judge. By the time the judge gets done throwing out wyoming's case, they will have given the Denver area their $1.2m, cost the feds a pretty penny in denver payrolls and won absolutely nothing, but the continued shame of being a pathetic little state with the population of a Denver suburb.
 
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