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4 days ago  
And we're on a mission from God
 
4 days ago  
So the average opioid addict got 570 doses from Big Pharma before being cut off?
 
4 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: So the average opioid addict got 570 doses from Big Pharma before being cut off?


I think you're missing the middle man/woman.
 
4 days ago  
The mind boggles at the thought of that many doses and yea, the distributors bear responsibility, but what about the doctors and pharmacies?  Exactly where did the pills really go?
 
4 days ago  
Good to know the cops are looking for the real pushers.
 
4 days ago  
How much did Manchin get? Just asking.
 
4 days ago  
Yes, the day they made it too annoying for my doctor to keep prescribing me Lortab was a glorious day. A day realizing I, in no way, could afford to go to the one clinic in the area that would as it would be equal to a year of car payments over the same time. So now I smoke a little weed, watch very carefully what I do & and curse the damn junkies every time my back goes out...which it does weekly & surgery isn't an option.
 
4 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: So the average opioid addict got 570 doses from Big Pharma before being cut off?


I am in NO way suggesting that all 100k people fall into this category, but someone with chronic pain (say degenerative back issues that aren't going to get better) as opposed to acute (broken arm - short term) is going to go through that many pills in about 7-8 months (3 pills/day * 365 = 1095).  Taken out of context, roughly 1000 pills a year sounds insane, but if you have to take something every 8 hours...there you are.

Also, what time frame are we talking here?  If that was over 5 years, then that's only (roughly) 2 pills per person per week.

Personally I think several dozen pharmaceutical execs & doctors need to be put up against a wall & shot for all the harm they've caused, but there are legitimate reasons for, over time, large amounts of pills to be prescribed to individuals.

/off to RTFA
 
4 days ago  
So all attempts to stop this one before court have failed, and the court case actually started today? Good.

"A trial involving three major prescription opioid distributors began Monday in federal court in West Virginia "
 
4 days ago  
Most likely: Zero actual accountability.
 
4 days ago  
"Farrell said on Monday that the trial, expected to last 12 weeks, would show the distributors ignored numerous "black flags" that their drugs were being diverted into illegal channels. The defendants have denied such allegations. "We always reported suspicious orders," said Robert Nicholas, a lawyer for AmerisourceBergen."

lol

And it sounds like the city and county are damn sure they can make their case.

"Huntington and Cabell County previously opted out of a proposed $26 billion nationwide settlement with the three distributors and drugmaker Johnson & Johnson "

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea​lt​hcare-pharmaceuticals/drug-distributor​s-face-off-against-west-virginia-billi​on-dollar-opioid-trial-2021-05-03/

Same article also says there are currenty 3300 cases nationwide against opiod manufacturers and distributors.
 
4 days ago  
Lock up all the executives.
 
4 days ago  

Fart And Smunny: Most likely: Zero actual accountability.


In America?

Yeah.
Only the little guy is personally responsible. Didn't you know.
Just look at the gun business.
Don't abuse pills don't shot people.
Simple. Why do you all hate freedom?
 
4 days ago  

BizarreMan: The mind boggles at the thought of that many doses and yea, the distributors bear responsibility, but what about the doctors and pharmacies?  Exactly where did the pills really go?


It seems steep.  But as someone already pointed out, someone with chronic pain taking 3 doses a day will take ~ 1100 doses per year. This covers an 8 year period; so 8800 doses.  If 6500 people in the town that would be 57MM.

Is it reasonable?  No idea.  Should a town have a consistent 6.5% of its population using 3x day of painkillers?  Some are long-term users for chronic issues, some are floating from post-surgery or acute injury or whatever.  Does anyone have an idea about what kind of percentage of the population is likely to be on prescribed painkillers?
 
4 days ago  
Where the fark is my fix?
 
4 days ago  
shiat killed more of my family and friends than I care to count. The producers, marketers, distributors, and doctors should hang but they'll get a slap on the wrist, write a check, and go on being them. America is the greatest, ain't it?

/From rural south Louisiana.
 
4 days ago  
isamudyson:

TENS? Kyphoplasty? How borked is your back? Sorry to hear, just trying to see if there's an alternative.
 
4 days ago  
With how popular opiates are in the States, I'm really surprised that there isn't a larger grow your own poppy industry.  They are way easier to grow that pot plants and harvest is a piece of cake.  Making your own H would be a bit more complex.
 
4 days ago  
I actually refused more opiods following a nasty motorcycle accident. They just kept giving me scripts for 60 pills per bottle, and I began enjoying them. It helped the pain but also, I got high. And I was also useless. I can drink a few beers and still be a functioning member of society, but the Oxy made me a shell of a man.

But at home, where I didn't care to do anything, the drugs felt great. Which is EXACTLY why I refused my next prescription from the ortho clinic. Jesus, I'm already hooked on cigarettes and booze. Getting hooked on pain pills means that once they run out, I'd be sucking dicks behind the local Arby's.
 
4 days ago  

isamudyson: Yes, the day they made it too annoying for my doctor to keep prescribing me Lortab was a glorious day. A day realizing I, in no way, could afford to go to the one clinic in the area that would as it would be equal to a year of car payments over the same time. So now I smoke a little weed, watch very carefully what I do & and curse the damn junkies every time my back goes out...which it does weekly & surgery isn't an option.


I'm okay with pushing people out of helicopters duterte style.  When the walls are up and nobody breaks the laws anymore because everyone is dead, THEN those of us who don't break the laws can finally have prescriptions for our pains again.

Now, the next part is really important. NONE of you had better report me and shove me out of a helicopter.  I'm sure that happens all the time. And I'm really sorry about lighting your house on fire. I'm sure we can be over than now and focus on getting rid of real criminals.

Also, that 1780's law about belt buckles is outdated. It should not count. And I don't agree with throwing me out of a helicopter for that, either.

Heck, you're making me out to be as bad as those people who sleep on park benches, when the sign CLEARLY says no sleeping.  Law breakers are law breakers, even if it's a small law.  Push em out of a helicopt...

What are you doing ?! No let me go! Aaaauuughhh
 
4 days ago  
But if we start holding people responsible for their misdeeds, where does it end?
 
4 days ago  

dickfreckle: I actually refused more opiods following a nasty motorcycle accident. They just kept giving me scripts for 60 pills per bottle, and I began enjoying them. It helped the pain but also, I got high. And I was also useless. I can drink a few beers and still be a functioning member of society, but the Oxy made me a shell of a man.

But at home, where I didn't care to do anything, the drugs felt great. Which is EXACTLY why I refused my next prescription from the ortho clinic. Jesus, I'm already hooked on cigarettes and booze. Getting hooked on pain pills means that once they run out, I'd be sucking dicks behind the local Arby's.


jesus christ dude, at least be respectable and change to White Castle. :D

Naw, anyone who recognizes the path they're on and makes changes so they don't end up a statistic is worthy of hoisting up a beer.
 
4 days ago  

The Dog Ate My Homework: But if we start holding people responsible for their misdeeds, where does it end?


"Misdeeds" is a strange way to spell "mass murders."
 
4 days ago  
Not an opiate, but have any of you tried to even ween off a low dose of prescribed klonopin after taking it for even a couple months?  All this stuff is made to get you hooked...feature, bug, etc...
 
4 days ago  

dickfreckle: I actually refused more opiods following a nasty motorcycle accident. They just kept giving me scripts for 60 pills per bottle, and I began enjoying them. It helped the pain but also, I got high. And I was also useless. I can drink a few beers and still be a functioning member of society, but the Oxy made me a shell of a man.

But at home, where I didn't care to do anything, the drugs felt great. Which is EXACTLY why I refused my next prescription from the ortho clinic. Jesus, I'm already hooked on cigarettes and booze. Getting hooked on pain pills means that once they run out, I'd be sucking dicks behind the local Arby's.


So, if you're ever ready to quit:

Go to your primary care doctor. You will need some testing to determine if cutting down on drinking and switching to vaping is enough, or if you need to quit altogether, and what your body's functions and dangers are given your medical history. There's nothing to be ashamed of; you've survived being addicted, and like anything else, it leaves scars. They will get better.Your doctor will be able to recommend therapy and a support group. If they recommend AA, point out that AA only has the success rate of spontaneous remission; the Satanic Temple has its own support network that's non-religious, although I don't know their success rate yet, and if you need to use them to lean on, that's what it's there for. There's other people who have been there and want to help.You're not alone, and this isn't your fault. When you're ready, you can find help to getting where you want to end up./if you're still in pain, try hemp-derived CBD gummies. It makes you a bit happier, but shouldn't get you high. Use gummies or oil; if you smoke any substance it can harm your lungs, and you don't want to add on to what cigarettes are already doing. Besides, herby fruit candy is actually pretty delicious.
 
4 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: So the average opioid addict got 570 doses from Big Pharma before being cut off?

"57 million doses of hydrocodone and oxycodone to the community of about 100,000 people "


There's around 95k people in Cabell County, WV where Huntington is the county seat.  I don't think they're saying 100k people there were using opioids.  They're saying that 57M doses were shipped to a county with only 100k people in it.
 
4 days ago  
Just have the BidenHarris ban all pharmaceutical pain killers.

Problem solved.
 
4 days ago  

AmbassadorBooze: Just have the BidenHarris ban all pharmaceutical pain killers.

Problem solved.


Take another big pull on the bottle, little brother.  Maybe you'll get some sleep tonight.
 
4 days ago  
I'm actually a *class* of injured persons in this suit, I actually wrote a whole thing with citations and diagrams and pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one...
..ahem..
Anyways, went more than 5 years without any pain remediation because their nonsense meant people like me, for whom opiates (non-synthetics: Codeine, Morphine, etc.) are a standard treatment, got cracked down upon...200 years of knowledge about them notwithstanding.
Been under 30 MME a day for 10 years now. One dosage adjustment in that time period to max me out at 27mme with a bad flare instead if 22.5.
Still can be required by law to pee in a jar to prove I'm taking them.
So I might get like $20 in a settlement instead of $5.
 
4 days ago  

AmbassadorBooze: Just have the BidenHarris ban all pharmaceutical pain killers.

Problem solved.


We could write a constitutional amendment.  A prohibition.
 
4 days ago  

LabGrrl: I'm actually a *class* of injured persons in this suit, I actually wrote a whole thing with citations and diagrams and pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one...
..ahem..
Anyways, went more than 5 years without any pain remediation because their nonsense meant people like me, for whom opiates (non-synthetics: Codeine, Morphine, etc.) are a standard treatment, got cracked down upon...200 years of knowledge about them notwithstanding.
Been under 30 MME a day for 10 years now. One dosage adjustment in that time period to max me out at 27mme with a bad flare instead if 22.5.
Still can be required by law to pee in a jar to prove I'm taking them.
So I might get like $20 in a settlement instead of $5.


No "it's a mad world" button to click.  I guess it's just assumed.
 
4 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: So the average opioid addict got 570 doses from Big Pharma before being cut off?


Over a course of eight years. Let's assume I have pancreatic cancer. I have a fentanyl patch, plus Norco 7.5mg 3 times daily as needed for breakthrough pain. Over eight years, that's 8,760 hydrocodone/acetaminophen tabs for one person. For TID dosing over eight years, that's around 6,500 people for the 57,000,000 tablets, or 6.5% of the population. Of course, between 4-5x daily dosing, doctor shopping, pharmacy shopping, etc it's probably a smaller population getting a shiat ton of narcotics.
 
4 days ago  
Huh. I should read the thread before essentially reposting someone else's post.
 
4 days ago  

SansNeural: AmbassadorBooze: Just have the BidenHarris ban all pharmaceutical pain killers.

Problem solved.

Take another big pull on the bottle, little brother.  Maybe you'll get some sleep tonight.


Wouldn't banning the problem drugs solve the problem?  At least the problem of legal manufacturers making the drugs?  And if in the US there were no manufacturers of the problem drugs, then the drugs will have to be manufactured in another country and imported illegally.  At least then we could send a cruise missle or a nuke to take out the factories.  Sparing our citizens from addiction.
 
4 days ago  

kittyhas1000legs: Huh. I should read the thread before essentially reposting someone else's post.


I chimed in late too, but it's all good. When the headline is misleading and the article doesn't really clear anything up, any good take helps.
 
4 days ago  

It'sMorphin'Time: AA only has the success rate of spontaneous remission


Anecdotes are not data, but my drinking stopped 5.5 years ago after 6 months of trying and going to meetings.  Not spontaneous at all and I'm absolutely certain I couldn't have done it alone.

/just an anecdote
/not an argument
 
4 days ago  
I only took the stuff for six months and never took more than prescribed. Then I quit, three days later I was hospitalized for withdrawl.
 
4 days ago  

AmbassadorBooze: SansNeural: AmbassadorBooze: Just have the BidenHarris ban all pharmaceutical pain killers.

Problem solved.

Take another big pull on the bottle, little brother.  Maybe you'll get some sleep tonight.

Wouldn't banning the problem drugs solve the problem?  At least the problem of legal manufacturers making the drugs?  And if in the US there were no manufacturers of the problem drugs, then the drugs will have to be manufactured in another country and imported illegally.  At least then we could send a cruise missle or a nuke to take out the factories.  Sparing our citizens from addiction.


and, by banning the addictive drugs, it will be an incentive for the pharma bros to develop non addictive pain killers.  While we allow them to legally make addictive drugs, they are disincetivised from making better non addictive drugs, since the addictive ones are profitable, and they exist.  But take the profit out of addictive drugs, and I bet the pharma bros release the non addictive stuff they got.
 
4 days ago  
I'm allergic to hydrocodone.  It gives me hives.
 
4 days ago  

kittyhas1000legs: fragMasterFlash: So the average opioid addict got 570 doses from Big Pharma before being cut off?

Over a course of eight years. Let's assume I have pancreatic cancer. I have a fentanyl patch, plus Norco 7.5mg 3 times daily as needed for breakthrough pain. Over eight years, that's 8,760 hydrocodone/acetaminophen tabs for one person. For TID dosing over eight years, that's around 6,500 people for the 57,000,000 tablets, or 6.5% of the population. Of course, between 4-5x daily dosing, doctor shopping, pharmacy shopping, etc it's probably a smaller population getting a shiat ton of narcotics.


Dude they were being sent there for sale to people outside the area. A doctor there was acting as a remote 'fake scrip' asshole, thats the scandal.
 
3 days ago  

coroner74: I only took the stuff for six months and never took more than prescribed. Then I quit, three days later I was hospitalized for withdrawl.


Happened to some friends of mine too, exactly the same way, terrifying!
 
3 days ago  
Privatised Medicine: hook your customers on addictive pain meds and suck every penny out of them.

But it's socialised healthcare that's bad.
 
3 days ago  
Doesn't matter when doctors prescribe narcotics for a stubbed toe.
 
3 days ago  
End Result: Families of the dead each get a $50 coupon for the Pharma company of their choice and not one of the guilty spends so much as fifteen seconds in prison.
 
3 days ago  
It won't feel like justice unless the Sackler's family's heads are on a row of pikes outside former Purdue Pharma's headquarters.
 
3 days ago  

Commander Lysdexic: Privatised Medicine: hook your customers on addictive pain meds and suck every penny out of them.


Americans don't want healthcare, they want feelgoodcare.

If a drug can make the pain go away, that's better than fixing the pain.
 
3 days ago  
The executives on trial are guilty of crimes against humanity and should be charged with that. All of their assets should be seized and liquidated to reimburse the victims, their families and the entities that bore any cost as a result of treating the victims. This epidemic was human-caused and perpetrated for profit.

A little background:
Death in Mud Lick
The Damage Done - West Virginia's Opioid Epidemic
Florida 'pill mills' were 'gas on the fire' of opioid crisis
 
3 days ago  
Kill a few million people and you are harshly charged with creating a nuisance.
 
3 days ago  
It's already a dirty little secret that a lot of people in constant pain commit suicide. Doctors understand, cause of death usually ends up accidental overdose, heart attack, whatever. If opioids get too severely restricted...

I don't have the answer. But a lot of people are scared to death (oops) of being expected to live in constant pain for the rest of their lives.
 
3 days ago  
McKesson acquired my employer a few years ago, and the CEO sent out a statement way back before Covid when this was originally supposed to go to trial. It was to the effect of "The media will be saying some negative stuff and we're going to get some bad press - pay no attention to it as we've done nothing wrong." 

Last year their net worth was $231.3 billion or thereabouts. Anything awarded will be "chump change" to them.
 
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