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(AP News)   39 British postal workers who were convicted for theft 20 years ago have their convictions overturned as "an affront to the conscience of the court" after the UK's high court court found the software used to detect their "thefts" was hot garbage   (apnews.com) divider line
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2021-04-23 2:12:14 PM  
This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.
 
2021-04-23 2:26:01 PM  

Geotpf: This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.


I work in software.

Reasonable doubt doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
2021-04-23 2:28:35 PM  
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2021-04-23 2:29:18 PM  

Geotpf: This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.


Is this why I keep getting all those toxic poop ads?

What the fark is toxic poop?

Poop!
 
2021-04-23 2:29:30 PM  
Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.
 
2021-04-23 2:30:21 PM  
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2021-04-23 2:35:57 PM  

SpectroBoy: Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.


Did you tell them they're allowed to print off your reply email and shove it all waaaaay up their buttholes?
 
2021-04-23 2:36:31 PM  
Is this the guy who wrote the code?

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2021-04-23 2:41:18 PM  

SpectroBoy: Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.


So they hired you back, and now there's almost no more disks in the entire industry?  Hmmm.......
 
2021-04-23 2:44:56 PM  

shinji3i: SpectroBoy: Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.

Did you tell them they're allowed to print off your reply email and shove it all waaaaay up their buttholes?


Sadly there were no other disc services nearly as good at the time. I rejoined.

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2021-04-23 2:48:53 PM  

SpectroBoy: shinji3i: SpectroBoy: Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.

Did you tell them they're allowed to print off your reply email and shove it all waaaaay up their buttholes?

Sadly there were no other disc services nearly as good at the time. I rejoined.

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I hope you're at a better job now.
 
2021-04-23 2:52:24 PM  
"But, like, the computer (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) said he, like, stole mail and shiat." For some reason an entire generation of people was lead to believe that if a computer (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) said anything then it was absolutely, unequivocally, true. Of course anyone that knows the slightest thing about computing (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) knows that's complete bullshiat.
 
2021-04-23 2:55:01 PM  

Russ1642: "But, like, the computer (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) said he, like, stole mail and shiat." For some reason an entire generation of people was lead to believe that if a computer (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) said anything then it was absolutely, unequivocally, true. Of course anyone that knows the slightest thing about computing (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) knows that's complete bullshiat.


DO NOT QUESTION FRIEND COMPUTER.
 
2021-04-23 2:56:41 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: SpectroBoy: shinji3i: SpectroBoy: Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.

Did you tell them they're allowed to print off your reply email and shove it all waaaaay up their buttholes?

Sadly there were no other disc services nearly as good at the time. I rejoined.

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I hope you're at a better job now.


Not sure if serious.....

I didn't work there, they "fired" me as a customer. Hence the quotes around "fired".
 
2021-04-23 3:06:39 PM  

SpectroBoy: Many years ago Netflix "fired" me for stealing disks. A few months later I get this sheepish email saying that one of the workers in the return center had been stealing discs and that I would be allowed to re-join. No apology for calling me a thief.


I didn't get banned, but I had a streak of discs arriving broken in half. Possibly faulty equipment, but likely someone inside the system behaving maliciously. It stopped after a few months, so I hope it was because either Netflix or the Post Office was smart enough to see a pattern and find the perp.

Software's only as good as the idiots who spec it, compounded by the idiots who program it, compounded by the idiots who use it. Then you get into modern fuzzy logic like with facial recognition, and there are going to be problems if administrators take the software's word at face value (no pun intended).
 
2021-04-23 3:14:21 PM  
Lawsuit Up!
 
2021-04-23 3:16:28 PM  
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2021-04-23 3:20:38 PM  

Russ1642: "But, like, the computer (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) said he, like, stole mail and shiat." For some reason an entire generation of people was lead to believe that if a computer (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) said anything then it was absolutely, unequivocally, true. Of course anyone that knows the slightest thing about computing (ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER) knows that's complete bullshiat.


I see that you're familiar with the IPCC.
 
2021-04-23 3:24:44 PM  
The State of Michigan's Unemployment Insurance Agency a few years ago went after thousands of people for fraud based on faulty software.  It turned out the software was incorrect in over 95% of these cases.
 
2021-04-23 3:33:54 PM  

Geotpf: This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.


It's a shocking case. People at both the Post Office and Fujitsu knew there were problems with the system but repeatedly testified in court that there were none. The Fujitsu boss's testimony at a previous trial was so off the wall that the judge recommended a perjury investigation and the judgement this time was worded to permit private action for malicious prosecution.

Judges really, really hate finding that the court system has been used for mendacious vendettas. This story will run and run.
 
2021-04-23 3:42:00 PM  

KB202: Lawsuit Up!


That is why the post office has been fighting this for decades.
 
2021-04-23 3:48:28 PM  

FrancoFile: Geotpf: This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.

I work in software.

Reasonable doubt doesn't even begin to describe it.


Having a clue about the evidence would strike you from the jury.
 
2021-04-23 3:54:00 PM  
"If the computer said we did this, then we should examine the source code"
"No, proprietary info and all that"
 
2021-04-23 3:55:18 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: FrancoFile: Geotpf: This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.

I work in software.

Reasonable doubt doesn't even begin to describe it.

Having a clue about the evidence would strike you from the jury.


My dad - also an engineer - was called for jury duty once. Civil case.  When the plaintiff attorney found out in voir dire that he was an engineer, he was immediately struck.
 
2021-04-23 3:57:24 PM  
They needed better a defense attorney

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2021-04-23 4:23:09 PM  
Farking programmers. When do we start locking up some CEO's of software companies?

I'm looking at you Microsoft. Selling software that cannot be downloaded and having "customer service" that consists solely of Skynet recordings is BULLshiat!
 
2021-04-23 5:12:40 PM  

orbister: Geotpf: This is some pretty farked up shiat right here.  Sounds like British prosecutors (and juries) didn't think that the fact that a new computer system somehow told them that everybody working for the post office was stealing from it...somehow...with no financial records of such theft and no such thefts happening before the computer was installed-nope, the master computer said hundreds of people were stealing so GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.  Dumbasses.

It's a shocking case. People at both the Post Office and Fujitsu knew there were problems with the system but repeatedly testified in court that there were none. The Fujitsu boss's testimony at a previous trial was so off the wall that the judge recommended a perjury investigation and the judgement this time was worded to permit private action for malicious prosecution.

Judges really, really hate finding that the court system has been used for mendacious vendettas. This story will run and run.


Those at the top knew. They knew from the start. They covered their own failing by literally ordering the suppliers lie, let people go to prison and pretend it wasnt happening. To save face and their own butts.

When it came to court, those same leaders then spent 100million pounds of public money trying to frustrate the case out of existence. Then when all that failed they tried to hold the court "in terrorem" and said without throwing the case out it.would be disastrous to the country.

Judge told them to STFU. A judge with huge balls enough to do the right thing.
 
2021-04-23 8:43:23 PM  

FrancoFile: My dad - also an engineer - was called for jury duty once. Civil case.  When the plaintiff attorney found out in voir dire that he was an engineer, he was immediately struck.


Do not tell them your real profession. Do not give them a reason to strike you.
 
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