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(Guardian)   "Hustle culture" and the "cult of productivity" might finally be over. It was just a scam to get you to work more for less pay, anyway   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-04-23 10:25:29 AM  
I was much more psyched about 10-15 years ago when the first "Millenials" (ugh, that term) were entering the workforce and helping make my case (Gen X) that flex time and work/life balance were absolutely crucial to a good workplace culture. They were my supporters against a bunch of Boomer bosses who believed that maximum hours were the only way to get things done.

Then the Great Recession happened and everyone got freaked out, going right back to the Boomer mantra (either by necessity or out of fear)
 
2021-04-23 10:47:10 AM  
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2021-04-23 10:56:35 AM  
Boss makes a dollar.
I make a dime.
It's why I Fark on company time.
 
2021-04-23 11:01:29 AM  
If only. farking Puritan work ethic ruins everything.
 
2021-04-23 11:10:26 AM  
Ok there's a reason I have a work cell and a personal cell.  A work laptop and personal laptop. It doesn't matter how many colorful couches and snacks you have in the break room, at the end of the day I'm going home, and work ain't coming with me.
 
2021-04-23 11:12:01 AM  

dv-ous: If only. farking Puritan work ethic ruins everything.


Rappers: F biatches get money
Puritans: F biatches hang'em as witches
 
2021-04-23 11:12:44 AM  
Then Elon Musk weighed in to solve that niggling problem: what's the point of it all? Making money for someone else, with your whole life? The billionaire reorientated the nature of work: it's not a waypoint or distraction in the quest for meaning - work is meaning. "Nobody ever changed the world on 40 hours a week," he memorably tweeted

The truth of the matter is that nobody has ever changed the world that didn't have help or work with a group of people - or led a group of people. This idea of rugged individualism is false. We need each other. The pandemic should have highlighted that- who was delivering the food? Who was delivering the packages? Who was working on the PPE? Who was working on the vaccines?

Elon Musk hides the fact that without his workers, he has nothing but his property. He needs his workers to make his profits. He had best be careful- all of these companies had best be careful. Their incessant drive for profit at the cost of their workers is sparking a wake up to something Americans long thought dead. A specter is haunting the West.
 
2021-04-23 11:15:09 AM  
It comes down to interpretation.

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HUSTLERs also Rest their eyes.
 
2021-04-23 11:18:23 AM  
If this gets Gary Vaynerchuk to shut up forever, I will be happy.
 
2021-04-23 11:19:27 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Elon Musk hides the fact that without his workers, he has nothing but his property. He needs his workers to make his profits. He had best be careful- all of these companies had best be careful. Their incessant drive for profit at the cost of their workers is sparking a wake up to something Americans long thought dead. A specter is haunting the West.


And this is why so many newly opened restaurants and cafes cannot find workers now.
 
2021-04-23 11:20:25 AM  
♫ I am the cult of productivity...

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2021-04-23 11:21:28 AM  
I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.
 
2021-04-23 11:24:20 AM  
Hustle is synonymous with scam so, yeah
 
2021-04-23 11:25:24 AM  

caljar: I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.


You have friends who are billionaires?
 
2021-04-23 11:28:59 AM  
"In the last decade, employees have been encouraged to see work and life as interchangeable, and to hustle ever harder."

I didn't get that memo. If that was the message employers were trying to send, the message I received is wages for the middle and lower class have been stagnant for 40 years while productivity went up.
 
2021-04-23 11:54:43 AM  

mcmnky: "In the last decade, employees have been encouraged to see work and life as interchangeable, and to hustle ever harder."

I didn't get that memo. If that was the message employers were trying to send, the message I received is wages for the middle and lower class have been stagnant for 40 years while productivity went up.


Well you need to read between the lines.  The actual memo was the one that just said, "Thanks, Biatch!"
 
2021-04-23 12:08:22 PM  

caljar: I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.


how long do you think your friends will be getting checks from the State? 6 months? 12 months? then they can experience hunger and homelessness when they have no free money. you'll be good to go, the squirrel who has been working hard and putting away nuts for the Winter. all your unemployed friends can come live at your place until they retire.
 
2021-04-23 12:19:41 PM  
Currently in a marketing class, and the instructor said recently "This is something you can do on the side. I wish someone had told me 20 years ago that I could work more than one job. That would have been great. I totally would have done that."

Work more than one job? I don't want to work at all, let alone two or more jobs. If I could get a writing career off the ground, My current job would be getting a quick resignation and I'd spend my days taking care of my kids, writing, learning guitar and any other hobby bullshiat I could think of. fark work.
 
2021-04-23 12:44:40 PM  
There's a simple solution to this problem.  Lower the farking work week again.  We haven't done that since the great depression.  Since then, women have entered the workforce, automation has bottomed out the pay in the manufacturing sector and machine intelligence is currently cutting deep into the good white collar jobs that are left.

We don't need to be working 40 hours weeks anymore, all we're doing is making the rich richer and the poor more desperate while we're eliminating the middle class.

Going to a shorter work week makes human labor more valuable in a free market as it restricts the supply.  Automation and increased productivity can make our lives better, by spending less time at work.  Instead we've used it to create superfluous jobs that require training and education and reduce the demand for low skilled, yet essential, labor... because we're idiots.
 
2021-04-23 12:47:10 PM  

caljar: I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.


How very conveniently bootstrappy of you.

I'm sure that when the Affordable Care Act was released you made just enough money to not qualify for any subsidies.
 
2021-04-23 12:52:03 PM  
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Sorry Charlie.
 
2021-04-23 12:54:27 PM  
The writer who wrote that "article" was seemingly paid by the word.
 
2021-04-23 12:57:25 PM  

electricjebus: There's a simple solution to this problem.  Lower the farking work week again.  We haven't done that since the great depression.  Since then, women have entered the workforce, automation has bottomed out the pay in the manufacturing sector and machine intelligence is currently cutting deep into the good white collar jobs that are left.

We don't need to be working 40 hours weeks anymore, all we're doing is making the rich richer and the poor more desperate while we're eliminating the middle class.

Going to a shorter work week makes human labor more valuable in a free market as it restricts the supply.  Automation and increased productivity can make our lives better, by spending less time at work.  Instead we've used it to create superfluous jobs that require training and education and reduce the demand for low skilled, yet essential, labor... because we're idiots.


It is completely possible in a lot of jobs to work part time if you want to.  Of course, benefits may be a problem, and if you work half time you get half pay, but it is an option.
 
2021-04-23 1:32:21 PM  

Geotpf: It is completely possible in a lot of jobs to work part time if you want to.  Of course, benefits may be a problem, and if you work half time you get half pay, but it is an option.


The point is to reduce the work week across the board.  We did it during the great depression when we set it at 40 hours.  People can work more hours, but they get overtime pay.  We should bump it down to 32 hours a week before overtime and full benefits start in my opinion.  That way, it's cheaper to hire more workers than to pay time and a half and lower unemployment rates means higher hourly pay as supply and demand economics applies to labor.

Again, automation and increased efficiency could be used to make our lives more leisurely, instead we've created more unnecessary work.

I'm low level management at a factory that manufactures essential products for home construction, I watched 6 of my workers hit 235% efficiency over quotas from 3 years ago last Tuesday... We could eliminate jobs or we could reduce the hours in a work week with the increased efficiency of newer machines.
 
2021-04-23 2:06:25 PM  

electricjebus: Geotpf: It is completely possible in a lot of jobs to work part time if you want to.  Of course, benefits may be a problem, and if you work half time you get half pay, but it is an option.

The point is to reduce the work week across the board.  We did it during the great depression when we set it at 40 hours.  People can work more hours, but they get overtime pay.  We should bump it down to 32 hours a week before overtime and full benefits start in my opinion.  That way, it's cheaper to hire more workers than to pay time and a half and lower unemployment rates means higher hourly pay as supply and demand economics applies to labor.

Again, automation and increased efficiency could be used to make our lives more leisurely, instead we've created more unnecessary work.

I'm low level management at a factory that manufactures essential products for home construction, I watched 6 of my workers hit 235% efficiency over quotas from 3 years ago last Tuesday... We could eliminate jobs or we could reduce the hours in a work week with the increased efficiency of newer machines.


What hippie, socialist bullshiat is this?!!11? /jk
 
2021-04-23 2:08:45 PM  
Van McCoy inconsolable
 
2021-04-23 2:29:30 PM  

dv-ous: If only. farking Puritan work ethic ruins everything.


I first read that as Puerto Rican Work Ethic, which happens to be the name of my reggeton Dropkick Murphys cover band.
 
2021-04-23 3:08:08 PM  

caljar: I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.


Well, apparently you didn't work hard enough. If you'd worked really hard, and produced significantly more wealth for your boss, he could afford to give you a pay cut!
 
2021-04-23 3:49:07 PM  

bostonguy: If this gets Gary Vaynerchuk to shut up forever, I will be happy.


He was entertaining in his wine tasting videos back when he ran the local liquor store one town over from my job but that was a long, long time ago.
 
2021-04-23 4:29:05 PM  

Myk-House of El: ♫ I am the cult of productivity...

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I exploit you, still you love me...
 
2021-04-23 4:37:55 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Boss makes a dollar.
I make a dime.
It's why I Fark on company time.


Imagine if CEOs still only made 10x what the average employee does. The average is a 4 digit number now.
 
2021-04-23 7:46:00 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I was much more psyched about 10-15 years ago when the first "Millenials" (ugh, that term) were entering the workforce and helping make my case (Gen X) that flex time and work/life balance were absolutely crucial to a good workplace culture. They were my supporters against a bunch of Boomer bosses who believed that maximum hours were the only way to get things done.

Then the Great Recession happened and everyone got freaked out, going right back to the Boomer mantra (either by necessity or out of fear)


I have a bit of a different view..I agree with Elon.. if you are trying to change the world, and *really* do something great, you have to be a bit obsessive, and all consuming focus, at least for awhile, is great.  That is going to be about 10, 20% of the folks working.. You need that, and they should be paid for it...but different people at different life stages, can't or don't want to do that, and that's fine.. They are still needed, and still valued.
 
2021-04-23 7:57:51 PM  

bostonguy: Nadie_AZ: Elon Musk hides the fact that without his workers, he has nothing but his property. He needs his workers to make his profits. He had best be careful- all of these companies had best be careful. Their incessant drive for profit at the cost of their workers is sparking a wake up to something Americans long thought dead. A specter is haunting the West.

And this is why so many newly opened restaurants and cafes cannot find workers now.


Good. Competition is a thing in the labor market as well. If you can't even get someone to work for you, you don't deserve to stay open.

There's a fun (?) theory among a certain sect of economists that I hope plays out. Essentially, our futurist tech oligarch overlords have vastly overestimated how soon they can automate jobs away. As Boomers finally get their crusty asses out of the workforce, economies start to ramp up post-covid, and America begins to replace its dogshiat infrastructure, the market will swing back to greatly favor workers.

This depends on a lot of luck in the political arena, but I like the thought.
 
2021-04-23 8:29:21 PM  

freakdiablo: Ok there's a reason I have a work cell and a personal cell.  A work laptop and personal laptop. It doesn't matter how many colorful couches and snacks you have in the break room, at the end of the day I'm going home, and work ain't coming with me.


I have spent my entire career working an honest 40 hours a week. I'll put in extra time in a pinch but if it's more than a day or two, I'm taking comp time. I don't notice that my career has suffered. What I do notice, is that the 50-60 hour guys don't tend to keep that up more than a couple of years. They either slow down or leave for a startup.

If you start expecting 50 hours a week or more as a regular thing, I'm going to expect a 25% raise.
 
2021-04-23 10:29:56 PM  
OMFG, I want to go off on a long rant so bad. I won't. You've heard already.
 
2021-04-23 11:41:18 PM  

covalesj: NikolaiFarkoff: I was much more psyched about 10-15 years ago when the first "Millenials" (ugh, that term) were entering the workforce and helping make my case (Gen X) that flex time and work/life balance were absolutely crucial to a good workplace culture. They were my supporters against a bunch of Boomer bosses who believed that maximum hours were the only way to get things done.

Then the Great Recession happened and everyone got freaked out, going right back to the Boomer mantra (either by necessity or out of fear)

I have a bit of a different view..I agree with Elon.. if you are trying to change the world, and *really* do something great, you have to be a bit obsessive, and all consuming focus, at least for awhile, is great.  That is going to be about 10, 20% of the folks working.. You need that, and they should be paid for it...but different people at different life stages, can't or don't want to do that, and that's fine.. They are still needed, and still valued.


Yep, aka the "rockstar theory" where a minority of obsessive people really drive the change.

I have definitely observed that, and they need to drive the vision of the organization. However, they can't expect that most other people can follow suit -- nor should they. People with other obligations, from their community to family, still serve a valuable role of improving their surroundings while those rockstars chase focused goals. It's symbiotic, in my mind.

In other words, following the Golden Rule or Moral Imperative, if the world was filled with nothing but Elon Musk and Steve Jobs, we would collapse quickly.
 
2021-04-24 6:05:20 AM  
Most people don't want to change the world or work their butts off to be a CEO, they just want to make a living and go the fark home.
 
2021-04-24 10:18:03 AM  

sinko swimo: caljar: I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.

how long do you think your friends will be getting checks from the State? 6 months? 12 months? then they can experience hunger and homelessness when they have no free money. you'll be good to go, the squirrel who has been working hard and putting away nuts for the Winter. all your unemployed friends can come live at your place until they retire.


they will finally run out of free money, go to work for whatever the minimum time is to qualify for unemployment, and then go back to collecting free checks.  Most of these people live with their Mothers.  It is pretty funny, they are failures in a real sense, but they are stress free, and have everything they need.  no ambition, so no disappointment.
 
2021-04-24 12:11:37 PM  

sinko swimo: caljar: I worked my ass off to get a good enough job for full benefits.   Now, I have friends who don't bother to work, because the State just sends them checks, and since they are too lazy to work and pay taxes, they get  subsidized medical.

how long do you think your friends will be getting checks from the State? 6 months? 12 months? then they can experience hunger and homelessness when they have no free money. you'll be good to go, the squirrel who has been working hard and putting away nuts for the Winter. all your unemployed friends can come live at your place until they retire.


Squirrel oddly found dead at his desk.

Hey I know this is a real tragedy but we really have to think about who's going to do Squirrel's work.  No we don't have time to hire another Squirrel so please divide it up.
 
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