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2021-04-23 3:12:12 AM  
I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.
 
2021-04-23 3:33:38 AM  
Going down in a blaze of glory = without the blaze or the glory
 
2021-04-23 3:39:00 AM  
In his sleep! Me thinks the medical screening was less than my flight physical.
 
2021-04-23 3:46:22 AM  
I can't help but feel the author of the article left out a pertinent paragraph.

-Dude looks relatively young.
-Went out once to assist on what's probably a routine medical call.
-Got back and took a nap.
-Died.

Wut?
 
2021-04-23 3:46:50 AM  

Biscuit Tin: I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.


Yeah. Not to be in any way judgmental in any shape, form, or fashion, but just based on physiology and a few tens of thousands of years of evolutionary biology...that kid shouldn't have been in a high-stress position.

He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?

I really hope they figure out why a kid that was willing to risk his life died the first day on the job, and what they can do to prevent it in the future.

End of watch, bud. You had bigger balls than me.
 
2021-04-23 3:48:35 AM  
At least he died doing what he loved, sleeping with firemen.

ANWWT
 
2021-04-23 3:53:13 AM  

C18H27NO3: I can't help but feel the author of the article left out a pertinent paragraph.

-Dude looks relatively young.
-Went out once to assist on what's probably a routine medical call.
-Got back and took a nap.
-Died.

Wut?


When you die in your dreams, you die in real life?
 
2021-04-23 3:54:16 AM  
Poor dude. At least he died having accomplished one of the biggest goals of his life. He probably felt rewarded, happy.

Biscuit Tin: I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.


I was thinking he maybe drank a biucket of RedBull or some other energy drink; maybe he was misinterpreting some cardiac effect as sleepiness. Totally guessing, obviously, but at his age university students are known to have heart attacks during exams from energy drinks.
 
2021-04-23 3:54:26 AM  
Or, he got to fulfill his life's ambition before he died...
 
2021-04-23 3:54:40 AM  

leeksfromchichis: C18H27NO3: I can't help but feel the author of the article left out a pertinent paragraph.

-Dude looks relatively young.
-Went out once to assist on what's probably a routine medical call.
-Got back and took a nap.
-Died.

Wut?

When you die in your dreams, you die in real life?


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2021-04-23 4:02:35 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Poor dude. At least he died having accomplished one of the biggest goals of his life. He probably felt rewarded, happy.

Biscuit Tin: I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.

I was thinking he maybe drank a biucket of RedBull or some other energy drink; maybe he was misinterpreting some cardiac effect as sleepiness. Totally guessing, obviously, but at his age university students are known to have heart attacks during exams from energy drinks.


Didn't even need the energy drinks. I dealt with a-fib for well over 20 years, including my time in the Army, before getting it diagnosed. It was just that thing that happened to me at night sometimes. This poor bastard could easily have had the same kind of thing happening.
 
2021-04-23 4:07:47 AM  

Robinfro: Biscuit Tin:
He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?


Well, other than saying that you think he looks like someone who would die in his sleep, you're not judging.
 
2021-04-23 4:15:42 AM  
"Here' kid, take one of these. We all use them. Gets pretty boring, otherwise, waiting for a call."
 
2021-04-23 4:21:46 AM  
Without knowing anything at all about the situation, gonna guess undiagnosed aneurism. Went out on the run, BP popped, and then so did the weak blood vessel.

After the stress of fire academy, the excitement of his first run, being in the station for the first time...it happens.
 
2021-04-23 4:22:26 AM  
Carbon monoxide, cardiac defect or channelopathy? Take your pick.
 
2021-04-23 4:22:52 AM  
I assume a pre-employment physical would catch anything like high blood pressure or cardiac dysrhythmias. A stroke or a myriad of other causes can cause sudden death. Since it was an unexpected death, there should be an autopsy. At least then, they will know for sure what happened.
 
2021-04-23 4:28:35 AM  

Biscuit Tin: I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.


I need a CPAP. And I've needed it since the 1990s. But. Could not afford to replace the original that broke.
Still alive.
 
2021-04-23 4:29:01 AM  
And with only 6248 days until retirement.
 
2021-04-23 4:34:11 AM  

C18H27NO3: I can't help but feel the author of the article left out a pertinent paragraph.

-Dude looks relatively young.
-Went out once to assist on what's probably a routine medical call.
-Got back and took a nap.
-Died.

Wut?


He looks young enough that I thought he was like a Make-a-Wish kid, and to be a firefighter was his wish before he died.
 
2021-04-23 4:37:27 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Robinfro: Biscuit Tin:
He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?

Well, other than saying that you think he looks like someone who would die in his sleep, you're not judging.


JFC. What I'm saying is that he looks like he has congenital medical issues that's apparent because it's a significant deviation from normal human facial structure.

The kid looks like the human equivalent of a pug. You wouldn't use a pug as a bloodhound and put it in as a racing dog.

I admire his bravery and determination, but the kid died after his first high-stress situation.

Hate all you want, but the kid had facial morphological deformities that were indicative of serious health issues and despite testing shouldn't have been a firefighter.

He looked weird & abnormal, and there's a reason. It's on whoever tested him if it turns out he had a heart/lung issue & wasn't fit for duty.

Still: serious respect whether he knew he had issues or not.
 
2021-04-23 4:40:12 AM  

Robinfro: Ketchuponsteak: Robinfro: Biscuit Tin:
He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?

Well, other than saying that you think he looks like someone who would die in his sleep, you're not judging.

JFC. What I'm saying is that he looks like he has congenital medical issues that's apparent because it's a significant deviation from normal human facial structure.

The kid looks like the human equivalent of a pug. You wouldn't use a pug as a bloodhound and put it in as a racing dog.

I admire his bravery and determination, but the kid died after his first high-stress situation.

Hate all you want, but the kid had facial morphological deformities that were indicative of serious health issues and despite testing shouldn't have been a firefighter.

He looked weird & abnormal, and there's a reason. It's on whoever tested him if it turns out he had a heart/lung issue & wasn't fit for duty.

Still: serious respect whether he knew he had issues or not.


Congratulations.  It's been a long time since I let out an audible "What the FARK" at a comment here.
 
2021-04-23 4:40:39 AM  

Robinfro: Ketchuponsteak: Robinfro: Biscuit Tin:
He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?

Well, other than saying that you think he looks like someone who would die in his sleep, you're not judging.

JFC. What I'm saying is that he looks like he has congenital medical issues that's apparent because it's a significant deviation from normal human facial structure.

The kid looks like the human equivalent of a pug. You wouldn't use a pug as a bloodhound and put it in as a racing dog.

I admire his bravery and determination, but the kid died after his first high-stress situation.

Hate all you want, but the kid had facial morphological deformities that were indicative of serious health issues and despite testing shouldn't have been a firefighter.

He looked weird & abnormal, and there's a reason. It's on whoever tested him if it turns out he had a heart/lung issue & wasn't fit for duty.

Still: serious respect whether he knew he had issues or not.


He looks like any other Georgia Cracker. I don't see anything unusual that makes him stand out from any other redneck from that end of the country.

You need to get out more. They look like that down there.
 
2021-04-23 4:41:16 AM  
First night hazing incident gone too far and covered up by the other firefighters?
 
2021-04-23 4:42:09 AM  

Tom-Servo: First night hazing incident gone too far and covered up by the other firefighters?


Actually from really looking at his picture I think he dropped weight to join the department and I think he dropped it too fast
 
2021-04-23 4:54:31 AM  
My money is on circulatory issues. Stroke aneurysm heart attack maybe even a blood clot from previous injuries large itself in his brain.
 
2021-04-23 4:55:29 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Without knowing anything at all about the situation, gonna guess undiagnosed aneurism. Went out on the run, BP popped, and then so did the weak blood vessel.

After the stress of fire academy, the excitement of his first run, being in the station for the first time...it happens.


Could be. Lost a dude I went to HS with a couple weeks ago. At 35 he became disoriented, and dropped off the map for a weekend. His brother found him the following Monday. Autopsy showed a slow aortic aneurysm bleed (which would account for the "Dammit. He fell off the wagon" mentality from everyone) and the reduced bloodflow/TIA strokes. 35, and had a slow-bleed aortic aneurysm suddenly pop.

Didn't like the guy but that's a shiat way to go.
 
2021-04-23 4:58:38 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Robinfro: Ketchuponsteak: Robinfro: Biscuit Tin:
He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?

Well, other than saying that you think he looks like someone who would die in his sleep, you're not judging.

JFC. What I'm saying is that he looks like he has congenital medical issues that's apparent because it's a significant deviation from normal human facial structure.

The kid looks like the human equivalent of a pug. You wouldn't use a pug as a bloodhound and put it in as a racing dog.

I admire his bravery and determination, but the kid died after his first high-stress situation.

Hate all you want, but the kid had facial morphological deformities that were indicative of serious health issues and despite testing shouldn't have been a firefighter.

He looked weird & abnormal, and there's a reason. It's on whoever tested him if it turns out he had a heart/lung issue & wasn't fit for duty.

Still: serious respect whether he knew he had issues or not.

He looks like any other Georgia Cracker. I don't see anything unusual that makes him stand out from any other redneck from that end of the country.

You need to get out more. They look like that down there.


I was trying to avoid racism in favor of general in-breeding, but there ya are.
 
2021-04-23 5:12:12 AM  

kevinatilusa: Robinfro: Ketchuponsteak: Robinfro: Biscuit Tin:
He just *looks* wrong (NOT JUDGING!) and maybe there's some FAS thing or maybe an endocrine or growth hormone disorder?

Well, other than saying that you think he looks like someone who would die in his sleep, you're not judging.

JFC. What I'm saying is that he looks like he has congenital medical issues that's apparent because it's a significant deviation from normal human facial structure.

The kid looks like the human equivalent of a pug. You wouldn't use a pug as a bloodhound and put it in as a racing dog.

I admire his bravery and determination, but the kid died after his first high-stress situation.

Hate all you want, but the kid had facial morphological deformities that were indicative of serious health issues and despite testing shouldn't have been a firefighter.

He looked weird & abnormal, and there's a reason. It's on whoever tested him if it turns out he had a heart/lung issue & wasn't fit for duty.

Still: serious respect whether he knew he had issues or not.

Congratulations.  It's been a long time since I let out an audible "What the FARK" at a comment here.


You've obviously not spent any time in cloistered communities.

I dated a girl in my teens in KS where the family thing was rabbit teeth & horse gums (She had braces, & i wasn't a jerk at that point & she had pretty eyes).

Idk what the ideology was behind that, but somehow everyone in their family has like 6 kids.

Maggots mating with maggots maybe?
 
2021-04-23 5:17:27 AM  
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2021-04-23 5:43:28 AM  
He smoked marijuana once
 
2021-04-23 6:05:59 AM  

aerojockey: He smoked marijuana once


he didn't shoot it like becky?
 
2021-04-23 6:18:51 AM  

Tom-Servo: First night hazing incident gone too far and covered up by the other firefighters?


Same thought.
This is a person that is going and just recently cleared a physical.

Cause of death is being looked into.
 
2021-04-23 6:19:16 AM  
I think the best any of us can do is speculate wildly.  There's a range of possibilities with a handful of obvious possibilities, like a brain bleed or cardiac event, which could kill quickly and without external warning.

Hopefully, Subby will be able to get a follow-up link accepted when some determination is found about his cause of death.
 
2021-04-23 6:25:28 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Poor dude. At least he died having accomplished one of the biggest goals of his life. He probably felt rewarded, happy.

Biscuit Tin: I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.

I was thinking he maybe drank a biucket of RedBull or some other energy drink; maybe he was misinterpreting some cardiac effect as sleepiness. Totally guessing, obviously, but at his age university students are known to have heart attacks during exams from energy drinks.


As a caffeine fiend*, I can't imagine anyone ODing on energy drinks/caffeine staying still in a bed for any length of time, let alone actually going to sleep.

/*just the love of it. Rarely go over 2-3 shots worth per day
 
2021-04-23 6:29:23 AM  

hardinparamedic: Carbon monoxide, cardiac defect or channelopathy? Take your pick.


I learned a new word today.
 
2021-04-23 6:32:04 AM  

Resident Muslim: Tom-Servo: First night hazing incident gone too far and covered up by the other firefighters?

Same thought.
This is a person that is going and just recently cleared a physical.

Cause of death is being looked into.


You might be on to something with the hazing thing.

But, physicals I've had...all from actual doctors...have ranged from "Ok, you're cleared for a shuttle launch" to "dude, you didn't even farking check my PULSE..."

/last flight physical, the hearing test was literally the doc whispering in the corner
//his machine that went ping was broken
 
2021-04-23 6:37:36 AM  
While we all speculate over the cause of this young man's death, I have to wonder why we pay firemen to sleep.
 
2021-04-23 6:38:08 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Poor dude. At least he died having accomplished one of the biggest goals of his life. He probably felt rewarded, happy.

Biscuit Tin: I think somebody didn't want to take his CPAP to the firehouse on his first day.

I was thinking he maybe drank a biucket of RedBull or some other energy drink; maybe he was misinterpreting some cardiac effect as sleepiness. Totally guessing, obviously, but at his age university students are known to have heart attacks during exams from energy drinks.


Even in a 24-hr shift, you're allowed to sleep, so if there was RedBull involved, it wasnt to stay awake for that long.

When i was in the Army, (way before RedBull), I took NoDoz to stay awake on my first midnight shift. After a couple hours, I started to get the shakes, got nauseous, and puking on the side of the road before I went to the ER at the end of my shift.

When they learned I took too much NoDoz (and was going to be OK), and got laughed out of the ER.
 
2021-04-23 6:44:07 AM  

PunGent: hardinparamedic: Carbon monoxide, cardiac defect or channelopathy? Take your pick.

I learned a new word today.


So many firefighters die in the line of duty from Carbon Monoxide and occult cyanide that they extended the LODD duration to 72 hours after shift if it's a cardiac event.
 
2021-04-23 6:45:19 AM  

kokomo61: Even in a 24-hr shift, you're allowed to sleep


Depends on the municipality and whether they're flight crew or not.

All the federal labor law requires for them, since they're exempt from normal labor standards, is they have an 8 hour rest time on paper. Depending on call volume, that might never happen.
 
2021-04-23 6:49:22 AM  
I'm on Team Hazing

That kid had a full physical before joining the department. I feel it unlikely that nobody noticed a serious enough cardiac issue that he would die in his sleep...

At least he got to go to a call before he passed. Popped his cherry.
 
2021-04-23 6:53:51 AM  
Not everyone is lucky enough to die in their sleep.
 
2021-04-23 6:57:27 AM  

hardinparamedic: kokomo61: Even in a 24-hr shift, you're allowed to sleep

Depends on the municipality and whether they're flight crew or not.

All the federal labor law requires for them, since they're exempt from normal labor standards, is they have an 8 hour rest time on paper. Depending on call volume, that might never happen.


Reading that he went on one call, and dies in his sleep, I'm guessing sleeping was allowed.
 
2021-04-23 7:12:11 AM  

Maybe you should drive: While we all speculate over the cause of this young man's death, I have to wonder why we pay firemen to sleep.


we also pay them to do their grocery shopping with company vehicles
 
2021-04-23 7:26:05 AM  

Random Celebrity Insult Generator: Maybe you should drive: While we all speculate over the cause of this young man's death, I have to wonder why we pay firemen to sleep.

we also pay them to do their grocery shopping with company vehicles


They also wake up and put out fires and save lives as needed. They risk their lives for us, I don't think a nap is out of the question during downtime. I also don't mind them being fed..lol
 
2021-04-23 7:26:13 AM  

BrerRobot: Not everyone is lucky enough to die in their sleep.


Unlike my grandfather's passengers .  . .
 
2021-04-23 7:28:49 AM  

kokomo61: hardinparamedic: kokomo61: Even in a 24-hr shift, you're allowed to sleep

Depends on the municipality and whether they're flight crew or not.

All the federal labor law requires for them, since they're exempt from normal labor standards, is they have an 8 hour rest time on paper. Depending on call volume, that might never happen.

Reading that he went on one call, and dies in his sleep, I'm guessing sleeping was allowed.


Sorry, I think my point wasn't clear:

It's not a matter of rules - unless you're flight crew and your rest time is a mandated thing. However I doubt this kid was worked to exhaustion and died from it
 
2021-04-23 7:33:24 AM  

Random Celebrity Insult Generator: Maybe you should drive: While we all speculate over the cause of this young man's death, I have to wonder why we pay firemen to sleep.

we also pay them to do their grocery shopping with company vehicles


You're not paying them to do their activities needed to live and actually be safe to respond to you in your time of need.

You're paying them to be ready at a moment's notice to drop everything and be dashing to your rescue within less than two minutes. You're paying them so you don't have to wait 30 minutes for Jim Bob to come from his house to the fire hall and bring a pumper to save your foundation, or wait an hour for an ambulance from a neighboring county to respond because all the volunteers are at work or asleep and not wanting to get out in the rain.

This argument strikes me as the kind made by no-life unhinged people who ambush private ambulances at grocery stores getting lunch and demand to know why they're wasting YOUR tax dollars existing.
 
2021-04-23 7:34:23 AM  
My money is on a hazing prank gone wrong.
 
2021-04-23 7:35:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Without knowing anything at all about the situation, gonna guess undiagnosed aneurism. Went out on the run, BP popped, and then so did the weak blood vessel.

After the stress of fire academy, the excitement of his first run, being in the station for the first time...it happens.


The situation reminds me of the kids that die during football summer training. Everything is going great until the weak part in the heart gives way.
 
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