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(CNN)   Australia: Sorry China, upon further review, we don't need your Trojan Horse   (cnn.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Silk Road, Chinese government, Australia, China, Diplomacy, International relations, Australian radio, Shanghai  
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2043 clicks; posted to Business » on 22 Apr 2021 at 11:20 PM (2 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-04-22 11:33:08 PM  
What's Australia going to do? The current government hates taxes. That means no roads across the Woo Woo. I did a cross continent trip in a Vanagan with a cinder block on the accelerator. A friend and I took shifts getting drunk but looking out for stray rocks and trees. The point is, Australia needs its neighbor(s).
 
2021-04-23 2:46:38 AM  
I'm just wondering how many countries permit subunits to sign their own international agreements.
 
2021-04-23 4:17:49 AM  

Ragin' Asian: What's Australia going to do? The current government hates taxes. That means no roads across the Woo Woo. I did a cross continent trip in a Vanagan with a cinder block on the accelerator. A friend and I took shifts getting drunk but looking out for stray rocks and trees. The point is, Australia needs its neighbor(s).


BRI isn't literally about a road. (And Australia has high taxes already. And "roads across the Woo Woo" although they don't have much to do with Victoria.)

Aus tends to be a little too uptight/panicky about foreign investment generally, but a little pushback on China's spying and bullying is probably healthy in the long term.

/"neighbor" is a stretch
 
2021-04-23 6:25:11 AM  
America from what I understand use shell companies in Europe to manufacture communication equipment and sold them to other nations under the false Promise that they were secure encrypted communication. Turns out the US was spying on everybody using that equipment. What stop China from doing same things in today's world? China cares only about China And have already proven they will go to great lengths to do the same thing America did in the 60s 70s 80s and up to today.
 
2021-04-23 6:26:38 AM  
Also the bullying China is exhibiting America used to do and possibly still does through economic sanctions. America still controls a vast amount of the banking system.
 
2021-04-23 7:11:40 AM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Also the bullying China is exhibiting America used to do and possibly still does through economic sanctions. America still controls a vast amount of the banking system.


The whataboutism is strong with this one.
 
2021-04-23 8:27:32 AM  
"China and Australia are already in the middle of a worsening diplomatic crisis, with relations between the two governments at record lows since Canberra's call for an international investigation into the origins of Covid-19 in April 2020."

LOL! Of all the reasons a country could have tense diplomatic relationships with China  Australia has picked "idiotic conspiracy theories".
 
2021-04-23 9:05:08 AM  

NoGodsButtMan: I'm just wondering how many countries permit subunits to sign their own international agreements.


Um, we do?

Seriously, my state sends trade delegations to China. China had a "Washington State Day" at the China International Import Expo. Our state exports more stuff to China than any other state in this country.
 
2021-04-23 9:05:53 AM  
And, yes, our state has "memorandums of understanding" signed with China's MOFCOM.
 
2021-04-23 9:09:59 AM  

Target Builder: "China and Australia are already in the middle of a worsening diplomatic crisis, with relations between the two governments at record lows since Canberra's call for an international investigation into the origins of Covid-19 in April 2020."

LOL! Of all the reasons a country could have tense diplomatic relationships with China  Australia has picked "idiotic conspiracy theories".


Not even China knows the origins of COVID, but they know it wasn't the Wuhan wet market. And they aren't letting anyone investigate to find the true origin.

From their actions a year ago, they seem to believe it originated in state run wild animal farms in the south of the country.
 
2021-04-23 9:16:57 AM  

FormlessOne: NoGodsButtMan: I'm just wondering how many countries permit subunits to sign their own international agreements.

Um, we do?

Seriously, my state sends trade delegations to China. China had a "Washington State Day" at the China International Import Expo. Our state exports more stuff to China than any other state in this country.


Those aren't really international agreements with the actual nation of China, though. Exports are deals from one company to another. They're not between the political entities. This seems a bit different than that.
 
2021-04-23 9:32:20 AM  

Target Builder: "China and Australia are already in the middle of a worsening diplomatic crisis, with relations between the two governments at record lows since Canberra's call for an international investigation into the origins of Covid-19 in April 2020."

LOL! Of all the reasons a country could have tense diplomatic relationships with China  Australia has picked "idiotic conspiracy theories".


The origins of Covid-19 have not been resolved.  Finding conclusive evidence on the cause is important and not something in the realm of conspiracy theories.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcar​e​/549653-why-fully-investigating-covid-​19s-origins-still-matters

China has repeatedly not cooperated.
 
2021-04-23 9:42:58 AM  
I have been assured that trade wars are easy to win.
 
2021-04-23 9:54:14 AM  

peterquince: FormlessOne: NoGodsButtMan: I'm just wondering how many countries permit subunits to sign their own international agreements.

Um, we do?

Seriously, my state sends trade delegations to China. China had a "Washington State Day" at the China International Import Expo. Our state exports more stuff to China than any other state in this country.

Those aren't really international agreements with the actual nation of China, though. Exports are deals from one company to another. They're not between the political entities. This seems a bit different than that.


Nothing Victoria signed with China involved any actual legal obligations.
For a similar USA example, see the MOU that California and China signed regarding climate change.

/also, the Chinese economy is dominated by state-owned enterprises
 
2021-04-23 9:57:23 AM  
pretty much all of victoria involvement in BRI was about them being able to contract on BRI projects so basically australian companies getting money instead of chinese ones.

but bleh call it a win lol.
 
2021-04-23 1:27:49 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Target Builder: "China and Australia are already in the middle of a worsening diplomatic crisis, with relations between the two governments at record lows since Canberra's call for an international investigation into the origins of Covid-19 in April 2020."

LOL! Of all the reasons a country could have tense diplomatic relationships with China  Australia has picked "idiotic conspiracy theories".

The origins of Covid-19 have not been resolved.  Finding conclusive evidence on the cause is important and not something in the realm of conspiracy theories.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare​/549653-why-fully-investigating-covid-​19s-origins-still-matters

China has repeatedly not cooperated.


This.
And especially since a year ago, the Wuhan wet market hypothesis was still plausible. Their lack of cooperation, I suspect, is a function of their government being unwilling to admit screw-ups, even if they were accidental. It's like Trumpers being unwilling to admit Fanta Menace ever screwed up anything.
 
2021-04-23 8:31:44 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: peterquince: FormlessOne: NoGodsButtMan: I'm just wondering how many countries permit subunits to sign their own international agreements.

Um, we do?

Seriously, my state sends trade delegations to China. China had a "Washington State Day" at the China International Import Expo. Our state exports more stuff to China than any other state in this country.

Those aren't really international agreements with the actual nation of China, though. Exports are deals from one company to another. They're not between the political entities. This seems a bit different than that.

Nothing Victoria signed with China involved any actual legal obligations.
For a similar USA example, see the MOU that California and China signed regarding climate change.

/also, the Chinese economy is dominated by state-owned enterprises


See the MOU that the State of Nevada signed with the Government of Dubai in 2013.
/good photo op for the governor
//nothing came of it
///encouragement for FDI inflows
 
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