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2021-04-22 10:20:09 PM  
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2021-04-23 1:41:18 AM  
Awesome that he finally got to go home.
 
2021-04-23 2:12:37 AM  
...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.
 
2021-04-23 2:14:34 AM  

nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.


Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.
 
2021-04-23 2:25:34 AM  

BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.


But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?
 
2021-04-23 2:33:34 AM  

Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?


Would you rather be stranded on a ship, or have you and your brother both sentenced to an Egyptian prison for god knows how long?
 
2021-04-23 2:34:55 AM  
Mohammed, they said, should never have signed the order in the first place.

And the rape victim shouldn't have been dressed like that, right?
 
2021-04-23 2:42:39 AM  
Five weeks after ending his four year quarantine he catches covid and dies....
 
2021-04-23 2:52:42 AM  
So, no chance Egypt could just seize the ship and auction it off? Or is my ignorance of bird law showing?
 
2021-04-23 2:53:02 AM  
Why didn't he just go to a friendly embassy?
 
2021-04-23 2:56:04 AM  
Sounds pretty comfy, to be honest.
 
2021-04-23 2:58:07 AM  
Too bad he didn't just scuttle the ship. What the fark would Egypt do about it then?
 
2021-04-23 2:59:33 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: So, no chance Egypt could just seize the ship and auction it off? Or is my ignorance of bird law showing?


I don't think the ship owed any debts to Egypt, that was just where it ran out of fuel. But the company should have done something like that, yes.
 
2021-04-23 3:02:42 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Too bad he didn't just scuttle the ship. What the fark would Egypt do about it then?


I would have certainly tried to find a way.
 
2021-04-23 3:10:05 AM  
Too bad he couldn't have sold it.
 
2021-04-23 3:39:19 AM  
Poor bastard. Living like that for four years shows some real mental resilience on his part. I can't say I'd've managed so well.

I'm glad to see he finally made it home.
 
2021-04-23 3:42:09 AM  
Dozens of "authorities" but they can't make a straightforward "okay, we're broke. Someone offer a quick auction price to operate" forum.
 
2021-04-23 3:58:26 AM  

Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?


Maybe he felt responsible for the ship.

Here were I live in Denmark we constantly have Russian crews on boats, where the company just ditched them.

They are provided with food, diesel and tele cards by locals though. So well, it doesn't suck that bad for them.

They do tend to feel obligated to stay on the boat though.
 
2021-04-23 4:26:26 AM  

Inaditch: Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?

Would you rather be stranded on a ship, or have you and your brother both sentenced to an Egyptian prison for god knows how long?


This, and also that.

Maybe if his ship had been abandoned nearer a friendlier shore, he might have risked it, or if he'd thought he might have been deported back home. Egypt is not on the happiest of terms with Syria though.

What's going to happen, I suspect, is we're going to see more and more piracy as these situations begin to increase.
 
2021-04-23 4:32:03 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Inaditch: Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?

Would you rather be stranded on a ship, or have you and your brother both sentenced to an Egyptian prison for god knows how long?

This, and also that.

Maybe if his ship had been abandoned nearer a friendlier shore, he might have risked it, or if he'd thought he might have been deported back home. Egypt is not on the happiest of terms with Syria though.

What's going to happen, I suspect, is we're going to see more and more piracy as these situations begin to increase.


Why are these situations "beginning to increase?"
 
2021-04-23 5:12:26 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?

Maybe he felt responsible for the ship.

Here were I live in Denmark we constantly have Russian crews on boats, where the company just ditched them.

They are provided with food, diesel and tele cards by locals though. So well, it doesn't suck that bad for them.

They do tend to feel obligated to stay on the boat though.


Also when you're in another country and you don't know anybody it's hard to figure out what to do next.
 
2021-04-23 5:17:15 AM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Ketchuponsteak: Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?

Maybe he felt responsible for the ship.

Here were I live in Denmark we constantly have Russian crews on boats, where the company just ditched them.

They are provided with food, diesel and tele cards by locals though. So well, it doesn't suck that bad for them.

They do tend to feel obligated to stay on the boat though.

Also when you're in another country and you don't know anybody it's hard to figure out what to do next.


The answer is "drink".
 
2021-04-23 5:58:27 AM  
It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman
 
2021-04-23 6:10:22 AM  
WIIIILLLSOOOON!
 
2021-04-23 6:39:32 AM  

tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman


Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!
 
2021-04-23 6:49:43 AM  
Where did he get food before 2020? Was there a lot of edible cargo?
 
2021-04-23 7:10:56 AM  

PunGent: tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman

Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!



This.

This is what you get when you try to cut costs by outsourcing durable manufacturing work to authoritarian regimes.  You create TWO regimes; one land-bound and one maritime.  All for the purpose of making a bigger profit, but also with the knock-on affect of disenfranchising working-class people.

Workers, sailors, and flight attendants local 1?
 
2021-04-23 7:26:22 AM  

montreal_medic: Where did he get food before 2020? Was there a lot of edible cargo?


The ship's cargo consisted entirely of Spam.
 
2021-04-23 7:49:54 AM  
Wrong person being punished.
 
2021-04-23 7:51:46 AM  

Claude Ballse: BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.

But the article says his brother sailed past multiple times. Bro couldn't drop a rope ladder or some shiat to pick his ass up?


Too far away to even wave if you RTFA.
 
2021-04-23 8:01:13 AM  

PunGent: tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman

Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!


The U.S. and EU put this into effect at the owners & operators expense, China & Russia will subsidize it, and the maritime industry will see a lot more ships registered in Liberia, and Mongolia (with almost no standards or requirements).

Sort of why Libertarians need to do a shiat-ton more homework before demanding that we repeal the Jones Act.

/the only way to make the maritime industry more interesting would be to bring back letters of marque & reprisal, and the prize courts.
 
2021-04-23 8:03:57 AM  
That's insane. Can he still be "legally obligated to stay" if he were to just quit his job?  How could they just force him to stay?  Ridiculous.
 
2021-04-23 8:03:58 AM  
Would be like Silent Running.
 
2021-04-23 8:12:50 AM  

Laobaojun: PunGent: tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman

Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!

The U.S. and EU put this into effect at the owners & operators expense, China & Russia will subsidize it, and the maritime industry will see a lot more ships registered in Liberia, and Mongolia (with almost no standards or requirements).

Sort of why Libertarians need to do a shiat-ton more homework before demanding that we repeal the Jones Act.

/the only way to make the maritime industry more interesting would be to bring back letters of marque & reprisal, and the prize courts.


Yep. I've worked on a cruise ship and almost every one flies a foreign flag, because flying the US flag means obeying US labor laws.
 
2021-04-23 8:13:20 AM  
I hate that TFA doesn't really get into how he was finally allowed to leave.
 
2021-04-23 8:27:07 AM  
250 active cases?! What in the actual fark? Why does a ship need a single "legal guardian" to live on board for years? What the hell is he supposed to do with it? I mean, he can't pilot it on his own, there's no fuel. He's just... a hostage, I guess? Except his employers clearly don't give a shiat about him so that's not very effective.

I can't believe this is going on all over the world. That just blows my mind.
 
2021-04-23 8:36:45 AM  
I think if my work car ran out of gas, and the company asked me to sit in it for the next 4 years, I'd be browsing the classifieds by day 2...
 
2021-04-23 8:39:17 AM  
That is a crazy story. Once he charged his phone, he should have listed the ship on eBay for ten bucks.
 
2021-04-23 8:40:51 AM  
Living in the land-locked non-seafaring Midwest, I honestly had no idea this was a thing.  I suppose if it's possible to happen, chances are it will.

Glad the dude finally got to go home...although I'm not sure what would be worse; war torn Syria or living on a boat by myself.
 
2021-04-23 8:41:10 AM  

Fishmongers' Daughters: 250 active cases?! What in the actual fark? Why does a ship need a single "legal guardian" to live on board for years? What the hell is he supposed to do with it? I mean, he can't pilot it on his own, there's no fuel. He's just... a hostage, I guess? Except his employers clearly don't give a shiat about him so that's not very effective.

I can't believe this is going on all over the world. That just blows my mind.


I'd say "Why don't they drydock it somewhere?" but that costs money, too. Exactly why they just decided to anchor it somewhere.
 
2021-04-23 8:42:39 AM  

BadReligion: nytmare: ...meets Castaway

But I wonder, if he was able to swim ashore and charge his phone, why not go home at that point. Or flee to a country that doesn't suck.

Because they seized his passport and knew who he was.


I didn't see anything mentioned in the article about a seized passport.

I read some other articles about this, and none of them address why he couldn't just walk away, such as facing a big civil or criminal penalty, was his employer threatening him, or did he feel an obligation to do his job no matter how unfair it was.
 
2021-04-23 8:49:58 AM  
During his stay on the ship his mother dies. That is so sad & heartbreaking.
 
2021-04-23 8:50:30 AM  

Albert911emt: That's insane. Can he still be "legally obligated to stay" if he were to just quit his job?  How could they just force him to stay?  Ridiculous.


The short answer is yes. On the flipside, he is also owed those 4 years in pay.. but good luck collecting it.
 
2021-04-23 8:52:37 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: So, no chance Egypt could just seize the ship and auction it off? Or is my ignorance of bird law showing?


Admiraty Law is complicated, cunning and resourceful.  No one really understands it.  Then there are the fringe benefits for flag makers.
 
2021-04-23 8:57:30 AM  

Fishmongers' Daughters: 250 active cases?! What in the actual fark? Why does a ship need a single "legal guardian" to live on board for years? What the hell is he supposed to do with it? I mean, he can't pilot it on his own, there's no fuel. He's just... a hostage, I guess? Except his employers clearly don't give a shiat about him so that's not very effective.

I can't believe this is going on all over the world. That just blows my mind.


On its face, it makes sense why Egyptian authorities don't want the ship to be completely abandon by crew.

What they didn't seem to count on - and why the law should be adjusted - is that this arrangement can drag on for months and years, and that the ship owners are such assholes that they don't provide food and supplies to the guardian.

And because these are international companies from more powerful nations, if the Egyptians were to just seize the ships after 30 days and auction it off for scrap, they'd face sanctions.
 
2021-04-23 9:32:31 AM  

Laobaojun: PunGent: tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman

Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!

The U.S. and EU put this into effect at the owners & operators expense, China & Russia will subsidize it, and the maritime industry will see a lot more ships registered in Liberia, and Mongolia (with almost no standards or requirements).

Sort of why Libertarians need to do a shiat-ton more homework before demanding that we repeal the Jones Act.

/the only way to make the maritime industry more interesting would be to bring back letters of marque & reprisal, and the prize courts.


I happened to see a YouTube video about weird nations having a fleet. Mongolia has a total of one ships registered.
 
2021-04-23 9:43:19 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Laobaojun: PunGent: tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman

Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!

The U.S. and EU put this into effect at the owners & operators expense, China & Russia will subsidize it, and the maritime industry will see a lot more ships registered in Liberia, and Mongolia (with almost no standards or requirements).

Sort of why Libertarians need to do a shiat-ton more homework before demanding that we repeal the Jones Act.

/the only way to make the maritime industry more interesting would be to bring back letters of marque & reprisal, and the prize courts.

I happened to see a YouTube video about weird nations having a fleet. Mongolia has a total of one ships registered.


That is dated.  There are several hundred ships on the oceans with a home port of Ulan Bataar.

Even 6 years ago people had started to say "WTF?" (A far better citation than "some YouTuber")

When it mattered to me, around 2010, there were about 250.  And the office for registering ships under a Mongolian flag was in Singapore, not Mongolia.
 
2021-04-23 9:59:07 AM  

Laobaojun: Ketchuponsteak: Laobaojun: PunGent: tuxq: It is pretty early over here but I read the article twice and I still can't believe Egypt or the vessel's owner left him stranded for 4 farking years. Maybe 4 months because bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, but 4 years? That's inhuman

Solution:  company wants to ship stuff internationally?  Fine.  Post bonded funds to an international bank, sufficient to get all crew home by air.  Don't like it?  Don't boat there.

/but my crap from China will cost 0.1% more!!!

The U.S. and EU put this into effect at the owners & operators expense, China & Russia will subsidize it, and the maritime industry will see a lot more ships registered in Liberia, and Mongolia (with almost no standards or requirements).

Sort of why Libertarians need to do a shiat-ton more homework before demanding that we repeal the Jones Act.

/the only way to make the maritime industry more interesting would be to bring back letters of marque & reprisal, and the prize courts.

I happened to see a YouTube video about weird nations having a fleet. Mongolia has a total of one ships registered.

That is dated.  There are several hundred ships on the oceans with a home port of Ulan Bataar.

Even 6 years ago people had started to say "WTF?" (A far better citation than "some YouTuber")

When it mattered to me, around 2010, there were about 250.  And the office for registering ships under a Mongolian flag was in Singapore, not Mongolia.


I see, I mean, I sea. :D

I guess since Liberia was obvious bullshiat, you might as well stop pretending.
 
2021-04-23 10:17:15 AM  
Ship registration is a cash cow and can be a bit of advertising for a nation.
Malta and some of the Micronesian states definitely put it to work, but that makes perfect sense for an island without a lot of resources.

BitwiseShift: ...Admiraty Law is complicated, cunning and resourceful.  No one really understands it.  Then there are the fringe benefits for flag makers.


This.  So much "this".
 
2021-04-23 10:17:17 AM  

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