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    More: Followup, Tesla Motors, automaker's driver assistance feature, Tesla Model Y, driver's seat, Jake Fisher, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, cause of a fatal crash Saturday, CR's senior director  
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2021-04-22 3:19:43 PM  
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2021-04-22 3:24:06 PM  
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2021-04-22 3:36:17 PM  
Are you suggesting that Elon Musk lied to me?

I mean... come on now.
 
2021-04-22 3:52:24 PM  
What happens when you hit an area where the paint is gone?

Does it disengage autopilot, automatically?
 
2021-04-22 3:52:59 PM  
Reminds me of my favorite pick-up line: "Does this smell like chloroform to you?"
 
2021-04-22 3:53:50 PM  
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2021-04-22 3:54:09 PM  
So they have no continuous monitoring of seat weight?

And how do eye-tracking features on other cars account for sunglasses?
 
2021-04-22 4:01:49 PM  

Embden.Meyerhof: So they have no continuous monitoring of seat weight?

And how do eye-tracking features on other cars account for sunglasses?


Do you know that light has multiple wavelengths?


Also, what does happen when a CEO knowingly lies about information in a fatal accident in an attempt to protect the companies stock price?
 
2021-04-22 4:04:43 PM  
It is only a matter of time before juries start awarding damages against a company who was dumb enough to advertise "full self driving mode" on cars that are objectively not capable of self-driving.
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Their current defense of "Well, they should have known we didn't actually mean it" likely won't work as well as they imagine.
 
2021-04-22 4:11:09 PM  
I am wondering exactly how much data they were able to recover from the computer after a fire so hot the metal itself caught fire, one that 32,000 gallons of water failed to extinguish.
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Not sure I believe Musk's contention that they just popped out the SD card and it was full of exculpatory data entirely clearing Tesla.
 
2021-04-22 4:11:59 PM  
While I don't doubt that the auto-driving system in a Tesla can be fooled, I'd like evidence that that's what happened in the Texas crash. Sounds like you have to deliberately work to get the system to fail.

/Elon should stick to rocket ships
//and get his ass to Mars so we don't have to deal with him
 
2021-04-22 4:12:29 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Are you suggesting that Elon Musk lied to me?

I mean... come on now.


He may be "technically correct" in that Autopilot was not enabled. But it could have been enabled just prior to the crash and then disconnected for whatever reason.  Still sounds like weasel words splitting hairs though.

ftfa:
"Autopilot makes mistakes, and when it encounters a situation that it cannot negotiate, it can immediately shut itself off," Fisher says. "If the driver isn't ready to react quickly, it can end in a crash."
 
2021-04-22 4:18:51 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: While I don't doubt that the auto-driving system in a Tesla can be fooled, I'd like evidence that that's what happened in the Texas crash.


One dead guy in the passenger seat and one dead guy in the back seat might be considered a clue.
 
2021-04-22 4:26:29 PM  

Dryad: Tyrone Slothrop: While I don't doubt that the auto-driving system in a Tesla can be fooled, I'd like evidence that that's what happened in the Texas crash.

One dead guy in the passenger seat and one dead guy in the back seat might be considered a clue.


If they weren't wearing their seat belts and the crash was pretty violent, either one could have been in the driver's seat before the crash.
 
2021-04-22 4:30:45 PM  

Johnson: NewportBarGuy: Are you suggesting that Elon Musk lied to me?

I mean... come on now.

He may be "technically correct" in that Autopilot was not enabled. But it could have been enabled just prior to the crash and then disconnected for whatever reason.  Still sounds like weasel words splitting hairs though.

ftfa:
"Autopilot makes mistakes, and when it encounters a situation that it cannot negotiate, it can immediately shut itself off," Fisher says. "If the driver isn't ready to react quickly, it can end in a crash."


Given that the rural road they were on lacked many of the the required visual clues for autopilot to function, most probable scenario would be that autopilot did at some point find a situation it could not navigate, disengaged as designed, and with no one in the seat the Crispy Bros found themselves both driverless and hauling ass.
 
2021-04-22 4:39:08 PM  

lifeslammer: Embden.Meyerhof: So they have no continuous monitoring of seat weight?

And how do eye-tracking features on other cars account for sunglasses?

Do you know that light has multiple wavelengths?


Also, what does happen when a CEO knowingly lies about information in a fatal accident in an attempt to protect the companies stock price?


They fire some engineers and a lower level manager, and the sales guy for lying. The CEO makes bank.

Buyer beware, and all the libertarian jazz.
 
2021-04-22 4:41:14 PM  

Geotpf: Dryad: Tyrone Slothrop: While I don't doubt that the auto-driving system in a Tesla can be fooled, I'd like evidence that that's what happened in the Texas crash.

One dead guy in the passenger seat and one dead guy in the back seat might be considered a clue.

If they weren't wearing their seat belts and the crash was pretty violent, either one could have been in the driver's seat before the crash.


Both the cops and the NTSB seem to think not, and the wives of the Crispy Bros have already gone on record saying that trying out the cars ability to drive itself was exactly what they were talking about just before they left to go give it a spin.
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So, yes. In theory, the front seat belt could have failed so spectacularly that it remained buckled while allowing the driver to be thrown out of it, allowing him to do a backflip and landing him perfectly upright and seated in one of the rear seats.
Or, two over testosteroned yahoos could have been doing exactly what they were talking about doing when they hopped in the car.
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/Which one seems most likely to you probably has a lot to do with how many posters of Elon Musk you have in your bedroom.
 
2021-04-22 5:00:38 PM  

Dryad: I am wondering exactly how much data they were able to recover from the computer after a fire so hot the metal itself caught fire, one that 32,000 gallons of water failed to extinguish.
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Not sure I believe Musk's contention that they just popped out the SD card and it was full of exculpatory data entirely clearing Tesla.


I'd hazard a guess that Teslas upload relevant logs to HQ in the event of a crash.
 
2021-04-22 5:39:21 PM  
A common technique when designing real-time systems is for processes to kill themselves when faced with something they can't handle, and pass the problem up to the next level in the control tree. In the case of autopilots and the like, the top of the tree is the human pilot/driver.
In the case of an aircraft autopilot failure, the pilot usually has some time and space to deal with the problem; it isn't like that in a car; the driver has to go from dozing to alert in a few fractions of a second. Most people can't.
 
2021-04-22 5:59:55 PM  
Fisher next placed a small, weighted chain on the steering wheel, to simulate the weight of a driver's hand

OK then.

/inflatable dummies are next
//humans are doomed
 
2021-04-22 6:22:34 PM  

Dryad: Tyrone Slothrop: While I don't doubt that the auto-driving system in a Tesla can be fooled, I'd like evidence that that's what happened in the Texas crash.

One dead guy in the passenger seat and one dead guy in the back seat might be considered a clue.


Yes, but the question is how did it happen? Did they deliberately try to get the car to drive with no one in the driver's seat, or was there a malfunction? The CR test only works for the former.

/and if it was the former, they pretty much got what they deserved.
 
2021-04-22 6:58:25 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Dryad: Tyrone Slothrop: While I don't doubt that the auto-driving system in a Tesla can be fooled, I'd like evidence that that's what happened in the Texas crash.

One dead guy in the passenger seat and one dead guy in the back seat might be considered a clue.

Yes, but the question is how did it happen? Did they deliberately try to get the car to drive with no one in the driver's seat, or was there a malfunction? The CR test only works for the former.

/and if it was the former, they pretty much got what they deserved.


I am betting the only 'malfunction' involved testosterone and limited cognitive function
 
2021-04-23 11:24:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Fisher next placed a small, weighted chain on the steering wheel, to simulate the weight of a driver's hand

OK then.

/inflatable dummies are next
//humans are doomed


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