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2021-04-22 6:52:35 PM  
But there's an issue, according to Culver, who noted that researchers are reaching a point where they're experiencing diminishing returns in the design of these robots with wheels as their primary locomotor, and batteries as their centralized power system.

Meanwhile, Boston Robotics is literally selling legged-robots which have no such limitations.
 
2021-04-22 8:28:36 PM  
So we're inside 50 years from myomer bundles and Battlemechs, right?

Dibs on the first Mackie.
 
2021-04-22 8:32:00 PM  
Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.

Now, dumbass military guys hooking up poorly trained neural nets to systems that can end people's lives... that's a real problem.
 
2021-04-22 8:32:23 PM  

SometimesItsTuesday: So we're inside 50 years from myomer bundles and Battlemechs, right?

Dibs on the first Mackie.


If we're lucky.  If not, like subby said... terminators
 
2021-04-22 8:33:02 PM  
Wait until they design a SkyNet...

Oh... no!
 
2021-04-22 8:37:50 PM  

foo monkey: But there's an issue, according to Culver, who noted that researchers are reaching a point where they're experiencing diminishing returns in the design of these robots with wheels as their primary locomotor, and batteries as their centralized power system.

Meanwhile, Boston Robotics is literally selling legged-robots which have no such limitations.


Cilia, flagella, tails (snake and fish) should be compatible with gear systems. I wonder what the dminishing returns are? I wonder why muscles aren't useful for bicycle-gear systems. Heck, I wonder how these muscles grow and repair, and which muscle paradigms in a gear system tire out the fastest.
 
2021-04-22 8:37:58 PM  
Mind your own business, Mr. Spock! I'm sick of your half-breed interference, do you hear?
 
2021-04-22 8:43:04 PM  
EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE
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/dnrtfa
 
2021-04-22 8:44:18 PM  

SometimesItsTuesday: So we're inside 50 years from myomer bundles and Battlemechs, right?

Dibs on the first Mackie.


So we're still on schedule, right?
 
2021-04-22 8:44:47 PM  
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2021-04-22 8:45:08 PM  
Because the ideal soldier doesn't involve the squidgy bit that can get shot?
 
2021-04-22 8:46:01 PM  
Cool. We are rebuilding humans from scratch...

For Wwaaaaarrrrr!!!
 
2021-04-22 8:49:22 PM  
I say we give them Austrian accents so the Germans get blamed for any mayhem they cause...
 
2021-04-22 8:51:07 PM  
Bro... do... you... even... lift?
First request...
 
2021-04-22 8:51:29 PM  
I'm just barely tall enough to pilot an Elemental suit.

I know i can't have an srm-2 and a micro laser, but can I please have jump jets?

please?

I promise I won't tear into metal objects like a tin can with my claw. not much.
 
2021-04-22 8:54:30 PM  

soze: After that, carry pocket gravel.



How about watermelon seeds?


/First you spread, then you SHRED!
//back when Cracked was a magazine and not a listicle website
 
2021-04-22 8:56:34 PM  
Terminators, no. Autowankers, yes.
 
2021-04-22 8:58:02 PM  

Porous Horace: Terminators, no. Autowankers, yes.


"Autowankers"?

Is that what sexbots are called by Brits?
 
2021-04-22 8:59:03 PM  
Well, I mean, it's not like there are a half-dozen movies about why this is a bad idea....Oh wait, there are?
 
2021-04-22 8:59:40 PM  
Do we really need a F-35 of biorobotics? This whole concept is conceptually just dumb but I'm sure it sells well with the DOD writing blank checks for pointless endeavors. Oh by the way public education is in the dumps
 
2021-04-22 9:00:33 PM  
When I was volunteering as an escort for Planned Parenthood of Western Pennsylvania, I always wondered why they made me take those medical waste bags to the DARPA lab at Carnegie Mellon.
 
2021-04-22 9:06:10 PM  
Everybody chill. They understood the possible nefarious outcome so they've gone directly to the part where the robot becomes a surrogate father figure for a troubled young boy who is like 8 years old canonically, but actually looks more like 13/14.
 
2021-04-22 9:07:37 PM  
Duh, everyone knows the rubber skin on the 600s was easy to spot. Have to go with the real stuff.
 
2021-04-22 9:09:45 PM  
The three laws lead to only one conclusion...

My logic is undeniable.
 
2021-04-22 9:14:09 PM  

soze: Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.

...


What about pocket sand?
 
2021-04-22 9:19:57 PM  

SometimesItsTuesday: So we're inside 50 years from myomer bundles and Battlemechs, right?

Dibs on the first Mackie.


No, they will be fat and out of shape.  Crying about everything.  Oh, my leg hurts, I walked 5 blocks yesterday
 
2021-04-22 9:35:55 PM  

soze: Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.


Have you considered the Futurama solution?  Seriously... DAFCs should give you twice the energy density of lithium-ion, and the robot can 'recharge' instantly.
 
2021-04-22 9:38:37 PM  

g.fro: soze: Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.

...

What about pocket sand?


Serious answer:

Because wheels or other locomotive extensions that are made grippy enough for a common floor specification can handle a good amount of grit underneath them, but gravel or a nice assortment of nuts and bolts (literally what's in my safety vest pocket when I go onsite) will chock wheels or cause locomotive extensions to roll and slip past where they can recover without a really nice synovial joint to accommodate the roll and enough balance sensory to compensate for the shift in CoG.

Also, you can't even blind them with the amount of sand you can store in a Wrangler front pocket because robots don't need to blink.
 
2021-04-22 9:41:15 PM  

Unsung_Hero: soze: Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.

Have you considered the Futurama solution?  Seriously... DAFCs should give you twice the energy density of lithium-ion, and the robot can 'recharge' instantly.


Funny answer: because our engineers consume alcohol faster than they can test it
Serious answer: because it's nowhere near productized.
 
2021-04-22 9:42:59 PM  
soze: Serious answer: because it's nowhere near productized.

That... seems like a job for an engineer.  Maybe not your particular breed of them, but an engineer of some variety.
 
2021-04-22 9:46:03 PM  

Unsung_Hero: soze: Serious answer: because it's nowhere near productized.

That... seems like a job for an engineer.  Maybe not your particular breed of them, but an engineer of some variety.


We spend enough time beating an engineer's natural pyro tendencies out of them as it is!
 
2021-04-22 9:47:37 PM  

soze: g.fro: soze: Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.

...

What about pocket sand?

Serious answer:

Because wheels or other locomotive extensions that are made grippy enough for a common floor specification can handle a good amount of grit underneath them, but gravel or a nice assortment of nuts and bolts (literally what's in my safety vest pocket when I go onsite) will chock wheels or cause locomotive extensions to roll and slip past where they can recover without a really nice synovial joint to accommodate the roll and enough balance sensory to compensate for the shift in CoG.

Also, you can't even blind them with the amount of sand you can store in a Wrangler front pocket because robots don't need to blink.


Rusty Shackleford is going to be very disappointed by this information.
 
2021-04-22 9:55:20 PM  
Er, and for those of you who may work at or otherwise have access to the places where my 'bots are being good little orange or blue rectangles: pocket gravel is NOT a functionally safe way to stop a 'bot and you WILL get your ass fired throwing shiat at them instead of using the many actually safe ways to be around them that we've trained you on.
 
2021-04-22 9:56:23 PM  
So basically a way to experiment on integrating robotics with humans without testing it on live humans while potentially solving some other problems along the way. This is not DARPA, but I assume the modus operandi is the same in that it hides its true goal. If they can meld robotics with human tissue and muscular-skeletal structure, there is a massive amount of potential there including artificial limbs that are way more precise, durable, and function more closely to actual limbs (or organs for that matter).

In my opinion, the only way for humanity to survive and be able to conquer the stars is to force evolution through integration with technology, robotics, and genetic engineering. This seems more reasonable than terra-forming an entire world to fit our squishy needs.
 
2021-04-22 10:00:39 PM  
This is the only robot you need.

This Transformers robot transforms BY ITSELF
Youtube a0SEYM9jHVg
 
2021-04-22 10:13:13 PM  

g.fro: soze: Hi, actual roboticist here.

Until we solve the energy density problem you have nothing to fear from robotics.  After that, carry pocket gravel.

...

What about pocket sand?


Gold dust. It mucks up their respiration system
 
2021-04-22 10:14:31 PM  
The military will pay for basic research if it even hints at something that could someday be part of a weapons system.  Many years ago I worked for a professor who was doing fascinating work analyzing human 3D perception and making a mathematical model of how we see.  I believe the Navy was funding it.
 
2021-04-22 10:24:43 PM  

SometimesItsTuesday: So we're inside 50 years from myomer bundles and Battlemechs, right?

Dibs on the first Mackie.


beat me to it dammit
 
2021-04-22 10:32:34 PM  
What about giving robots cellulite?
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/BRB, need to bleach/burn/nitric acid my browsing history
 
2021-04-22 10:47:36 PM  

MSkow: Everybody chill. They understood the possible nefarious outcome so they've gone directly to the part where the robot becomes a surrogate father figure for a troubled young boy who is like 8 years old canonically, but actually looks more like 13/14.


Completely random, but I actually read something about exactly this.  The movie was released in 1991, but it's set in 1995, it's only shown for a brief shot when the T-1000 is looking up John Connor in the cop car.  James Cameron pays an insane amount of attention to detail, it's probably why it takes him 10 years to make a movie.
 
2021-04-22 10:50:15 PM  

SometimesItsTuesday: So we're inside 50 years from myomer bundles and Battlemechs, right?

Dibs on the first Mackie.


I know they're not great - and least in video games - but I'd ride an Uziel.
 
2021-04-22 11:15:30 PM  
Relax everybody they're just building sex robots..  pssh "Terminators" sure sure

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2021-04-22 11:41:34 PM  
It's Terminators all the way down.
 
2021-04-22 11:44:59 PM  
So
We cant make living muscle tissue for people who cant walk, but robots are a green light?
 
2021-04-22 11:49:57 PM  
DEATH TO VIDEODROME. LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH.
 
2021-04-23 12:16:47 AM  

stevenvictx: So
We cant make living muscle tissue for people who cant walk, but robots are a green light?


Cybernetic organisms.
 
2021-04-23 12:27:58 AM  

stevenvictx: So
We cant make living muscle tissue for people who cant walk, but robots are a green light?


Those are unrelated things and muscled robots are still purely conceptual.  It's just an idea some guys are considering and DARPA is throwing them a little bit of money to look into it because it kind of makes sense.

You move forward where you can.  The military would love to be able to make new legs for soldiers who stepped on landmines, and they've thrown a lot of money at it.
 
2021-04-23 12:40:32 AM  
This would be an engineering/biological marvel for amputees.
 
2021-04-23 1:12:17 AM  
Myomer bundles?


Planet: Terra
Atmosphere: oxygen
Ambient temperature: 35.7 degrees

Sensors online
Weapons online
All systems nominal.
 
2021-04-23 1:32:16 AM  
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