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(Forbes)   "Honestly, Mr. TSA Officer, I don't recall packing that loaded gun in my carry-on bag"   (forbes.com) divider line
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2021-04-22 8:45:14 AM  
One pic shows a Taurus Judge

That person is just racking up the poor life choices
 
2021-04-22 9:07:14 AM  

baka-san: One pic shows a Taurus Judge

That person is just racking up the poor life choices


I have a Taurus Circuit Judge.
Works great for a house gun.

/ rant over
 
2021-04-22 9:09:22 AM  
This happens all the time. It's literally EVERY DAY somewhere in the USA; multiple times per day.

At the airport I work at, the sheriff's deputy just runs your name and if you don't have any criminal history you get told to go put it in your car.
 
2021-04-22 9:10:27 AM  
If you don't remember where your gun is, it's useless.

It's worth than useless, because now it's a hazard to you and everyone around you, and it's available for somebody to steal it.
 
2021-04-22 9:12:28 AM  
Did you pack your bags yourself?

Apparently, this question is useless.
 
2021-04-22 9:15:16 AM  
This is what can happen when people are carrying their guns 22/7/357.
 
2021-04-22 9:16:23 AM  
If you forget that you have a loaded gun you have no reason to be carrying a gun.  You should also lose the right to guns as well as you are a danger to everyone around you.
 
2021-04-22 9:16:46 AM  
Another guns in the carry-on thread. Is it Thursday already?

/I understand how this can happen
//TSA once made me throw away a can of shaving cream
///it's kind of the same thing
//// shameful waste of dinosaur embryos
 
2021-04-22 9:16:59 AM  
Claiming you "forgot" gets you the lightest possible punishment. I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.
 
2021-04-22 9:18:44 AM  
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2021-04-22 9:19:42 AM  
CSB time: I've definitely forgotten I've had "disallowed" items on my person before boarding a flight before.

Hanging out with some friends before flying home for winter break. They agree to take me to the airport after we've gotten some lunch. As they drop me off and I'm getting out of the car, one of my friends says "Hey,where'd you put the sack?" and I say I dunno, I don't have it, I'll see you guys later.

Moseying through the security line, I'm patting myself down to make sure I don't have any loose change, that my keys are in my backpack and...oh shiat, THAT'S where the sack went. I hope that since it's non-metallic and it's relatively small, it will go unnoticed by the agent. Not my luck that say, as I'm pulled aside for additional screening. The inevitable pat-down occurs, and he feels the small soft wad in the bottom of one of my cargo pockets. He goes to the wand and WHAT THE HELL, it starts beeping when it passes over the all-cloth, no snaps or buttons (velcro) cargo pocket. I am flummoxed, and immediately start mentally freaking out. He says "What is that? Turn out your pockets." I sigh, already planning on the excuses I'll use to defer some of my parents' wrath for missing a flight and getting arrested a few days before Christmas. I toss the sack on the small table in front of me, and there's no doubt as to what it is. I look up at the guy sheepishly, he looks at me, looks at the sack, glances over his shoulder- without looking at the bag, sweeps it off the table and quickly stuffs it in his pocket. He looks back at me and waves me through without saying anything. As I'm walking away, I hear him say "Larry? Yeah, I'm taking my break now."
 
2021-04-22 9:19:51 AM  
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2021-04-22 9:21:15 AM  
If you're a gun owner who doesn't know precisely where every one of your guns is at all times, you definitely should not be a gun owner.
 
2021-04-22 9:21:18 AM  
Packing the heat is becoming an autonomic response in the US. Its a form of evolving natural selection only to be found in the US. Much like the Finch's beak size and shape differences Darwin observed in the Galapagos Islands.
 
2021-04-22 9:22:29 AM  

edmo: I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.


I'll take you on that bet. Guns are very easy to spot with an X-ray machine. It is not even remotely possible that "most" (I assume you are claiming 50%+1 as a plurality) of them have carried a gun onto a plane with no one noticing.

I will tell you that there are guns that go through screening and are missed. It happens infrequently, but the sheer number of passengers being screened means the total number of guns that get carried onto planes is higher than you might think. I could only make a SWAG on the number, but let's call it a minimum of 1-2 firearms a week. I'm comfortable estimating that number as the minimum (but I can't estimate a maximum).
 
2021-04-22 9:23:11 AM  
TSA agent:

It's an airport, confiscation should be the norm.
 
2021-04-22 9:24:41 AM  

AuralArgument: It's an airport, confiscation should be the norm.


We confiscate *NOTHING*. Anything left behind by passengers is voluntarily abandoned.
 
2021-04-22 9:29:07 AM  

baka-san: One pic shows a Taurus Judge

That person is just racking up the poor life choices


It's a fun range toy.  Or good to fill with snake or rat shot.
 
2021-04-22 9:30:21 AM  

grinding_journalist: CSB time


I have surreptitiously disposed of drugs for people before. It's not worth the paperwork and hassle of reporting it. If no one is looking, I'll pocket it and go flush it down the toilet in a couple minutes.
 
2021-04-22 9:31:05 AM  
Strong argument for gun control and red flag laws.  If you forget where it is you shouldn't own it.
 
2021-04-22 9:31:22 AM  

TSA agent: edmo: I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.

I'll take you on that bet. Guns are very easy to spot with an X-ray machine. It is not even remotely possible that "most" (I assume you are claiming 50%+1 as a plurality) of them have carried a gun onto a plane with no one noticing.

I will tell you that there are guns that go through screening and are missed. It happens infrequently, but the sheer number of passengers being screened means the total number of guns that get carried onto planes is higher than you might think. I could only make a SWAG on the number, but let's call it a minimum of 1-2 firearms a week. I'm comfortable estimating that number as the minimum (but I can't estimate a maximum).


When did guns become so easy to spot? In 2015, DHS agents got almost all of their fake weapons past the screening.

I get it, it's harder than it sounds at such grueling, monotonous volumes. And it doesn't help that like all the other cases, this instance was really another false positive if we still have the goal of preventing terrorism. This moron is not going to wind up in Guantanamo.
 
2021-04-22 9:31:28 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: If you're a gun owner who doesn't know precisely where every one of your guns is at all times, you definitely should not be a gun owner.


what if I own so many guns that it is unreasonable to assume I know where they all are?  You are infringing on my rights!!!
 
2021-04-22 9:32:42 AM  

big pig peaches: Another guns in the carry-on thread. Is it Thursday already?

/I understand how this can happen
//TSA once made me throw away a can of shaving cream
///it's kind of the same thing
//// shameful waste of dinosaur embryos


TSA confiscated my nail clippers. Said they were a hazard because of the little 1 inch toe pick. I was on a chartered all military fight flight to Iraq and we were all carrying our weapons on board. We had to hand the agent our rifle, walk through the metal detector and then got the rifle back.
What the actual fark?
 
2021-04-22 9:33:38 AM  

TSA agent: This happens all the time. It's literally EVERY DAY somewhere in the USA; multiple times per day.

At the airport I work at, the sheriff's deputy just runs your name and if you don't have any criminal history you get told to go put it in your car.


Username is way too appropriate.

And 'responsible gun owners my ass'
 
2021-04-22 9:35:14 AM  

Hyjamon: The Dog Ate My Homework: If you're a gun owner who doesn't know precisely where every one of your guns is at all times, you definitely should not be a gun owner.

what if I own so many guns that it is unreasonable to assume I know where they all are?  You are infringing on my rights!!!


Like the saying goes "if you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough."
 
2021-04-22 9:39:12 AM  
Am I the only person that goes through every nook and cranny of my luggage / carry-on before packing it?

/I do the same on the return trip and when I get home as well. Takes 60 seconds.
 
2021-04-22 9:42:10 AM  

TSA agent: edmo: I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.

I'll take you on that bet. Guns are very easy to spot with an X-ray machine. It is not even remotely possible that "most" (I assume you are claiming 50%+1 as a plurality) of them have carried a gun onto a plane with no one noticing.

I will tell you that there are guns that go through screening and are missed. It happens infrequently, but the sheer number of passengers being screened means the total number of guns that get carried onto planes is higher than you might think. I could only make a SWAG on the number, but let's call it a minimum of 1-2 firearms a week. I'm comfortable estimating that number as the minimum (but I can't estimate a maximum).


It's a bet you'll lose about 70% of the time. Which is technically an improvement. In 2015 they missed 95% of contraband items.
 
2021-04-22 9:47:34 AM  
I once forgot I was carrying my bow and arrows while boarding a hot-air balloon flight. Wow, was I embarrassed.
 
2021-04-22 9:49:05 AM  

OccamsWhiskers: When did guns become so easy to spot? In 2015, DHS agents got almost all of their fake weapons past the screening.


Those were not all firearms. It was lots of other weapons.
 
2021-04-22 9:49:26 AM  
Never forgot it when catching a flight, but years ago had come back from a weekend camping trip and grabbed my messenger bag for the Monday morning commute. Went to get something out of it when I got to my cubicle and found my 9mm.

No big deal. Tucked the bag under my desk and shut my mouth.

So I can kinda see how it might happen
 
2021-04-22 9:49:57 AM  

Horizon: TSA agent: edmo: I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.

I'll take you on that bet. Guns are very easy to spot with an X-ray machine. It is not even remotely possible that "most" (I assume you are claiming 50%+1 as a plurality) of them have carried a gun onto a plane with no one noticing.

I will tell you that there are guns that go through screening and are missed. It happens infrequently, but the sheer number of passengers being screened means the total number of guns that get carried onto planes is higher than you might think. I could only make a SWAG on the number, but let's call it a minimum of 1-2 firearms a week. I'm comfortable estimating that number as the minimum (but I can't estimate a maximum).

It's a bet you'll lose about 70% of the time. Which is technically an improvement. In 2015 they missed 95% of contraband items.


Those are a lot of tests with weapons other than firearms.
 
2021-04-22 9:51:57 AM  

MythDragon: Hyjamon: The Dog Ate My Homework: If you're a gun owner who doesn't know precisely where every one of your guns is at all times, you definitely should not be a gun owner.

what if I own so many guns that it is unreasonable to assume I know where they all are?  You are infringing on my rights!!!

Like the saying goes "if you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough."


"It's not a 'collection,' it's an 'accumulation' - 'collection' implies a theme."
 
2021-04-22 10:05:43 AM  
TSA agent:

The public record has clearly shown weapons are missed in great numbers. The non-public record does not contradict that.
 
2021-04-22 10:11:48 AM  
"Americans don't know whether or not they are carrying firearms"

In unrelated news, 24 people were slaughtered at work today when a colleague called the shooter's wife "plain".
 
2021-04-22 10:30:07 AM  
While a gun seems ridiculous to me, last time I flew I accidentally left my leatherman in my backpack. The primary blade was too long, so... bye bye.

/They at least were nice about it and let me ship it to myself.
 
2021-04-22 10:30:10 AM  

Horizon: TSA agent: edmo: I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.

I'll take you on that bet. Guns are very easy to spot with an X-ray machine. It is not even remotely possible that "most" (I assume you are claiming 50%+1 as a plurality) of them have carried a gun onto a plane with no one noticing.

I will tell you that there are guns that go through screening and are missed. It happens infrequently, but the sheer number of passengers being screened means the total number of guns that get carried onto planes is higher than you might think. I could only make a SWAG on the number, but let's call it a minimum of 1-2 firearms a week. I'm comfortable estimating that number as the minimum (but I can't estimate a maximum).

It's a bet you'll lose about 70% of the time. Which is technically an improvement. In 2015 they missed 95% of contraband items.


No. Those test results do not reflect firearms.
 
2021-04-22 10:31:00 AM  

edmo: TSA agent:

The public record has clearly shown weapons are missed in great numbers. The non-public record does not contradict that.


The private (classified) record that I have access to shows otherwise. I know more than you on this subject.
 
2021-04-22 10:32:36 AM  

TSA agent: This happens all the time. It's literally EVERY DAY somewhere in the USA; multiple times per day.

At the airport I work at, the sheriff's deputy just runs your name and if you don't have any criminal history you get told to go put it in your car.


Should be a felony.  If you're trying to carry a loaded firearm into a pressurized cabin you've demonstrated yourself incapable of owning a firearm without endangering those around you.  Honestly, it seems like a tort.  I bet a fella could make a nice living suing these gun-toting, pants shiatting cowards for infliction of emotional distress each time they tried to board a shared cabin with a gun.
 
2021-04-22 10:49:29 AM  

TSA agent: Horizon: TSA agent: edmo: I'd wager a beer that most of these people have traveled with their guns before and no one noticed.

I'll take you on that bet. Guns are very easy to spot with an X-ray machine. It is not even remotely possible that "most" (I assume you are claiming 50%+1 as a plurality) of them have carried a gun onto a plane with no one noticing.

I will tell you that there are guns that go through screening and are missed. It happens infrequently, but the sheer number of passengers being screened means the total number of guns that get carried onto planes is higher than you might think. I could only make a SWAG on the number, but let's call it a minimum of 1-2 firearms a week. I'm comfortable estimating that number as the minimum (but I can't estimate a maximum).

It's a bet you'll lose about 70% of the time. Which is technically an improvement. In 2015 they missed 95% of contraband items.

Those are a lot of tests with weapons other than firearms.


I have multiple independent reports showing the TSA is terrible at their jobs VS a TSA agent telling me his gut feeling is that they are actually really good at their jobs. Golly this is a really tough call.
 
2021-04-22 11:02:11 AM  

Horizon: I have multiple independent reports showing the TSA is terrible at their jobs


The test results reported do not reflect finding firearms. There are many other things that go into tests performed that are harder to spot than a gun, and that is the result that gives such a high failure rate.
 
2021-04-22 11:05:37 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Should be a felony.  If you're trying


That's just the reason why: They aren't knowingly/willingly trying to do anything. 99.999% of the time it's just a mistake.

Start making a crime out of it and then you get the same results as the war on drugs. We're just now getting the pendulum swinging back the other direction to where a petty arrest for drugs is cleared off people's records so they aren't farked up in life because of that. Now you want to start adding felony charges to things that will quickly destroy people's lives? This is the exact reason the sheriff's deputies at my airport do what they do - a criminal record check and if nothing is amiss you are free to go put the firearm in your car to leave it there. Why get someone charged, thrown into the criminal justice system, and all the garbage that comes with that? Lose their job? All that for a minor arrest that will probably end up with a diversion in court to where you just wait some months and it's dismissed with no finding of guilt (and expunged from your record).

Your idea is stupid.
 
2021-04-22 11:09:31 AM  
Why aren't more people cited for this?

Laziness on the end of the TSA?
 
2021-04-22 11:25:04 AM  

TSA agent: edmo: TSA agent:

The public record has clearly shown weapons are missed in great numbers. The non-public record does not contradict that.

The private (classified) record that I have access to shows otherwise. I know more than you on this subject.


Since a primary purpose for the TSA is to give the public confidence that air travel is safe, it is hard to understand why improvements to previously horrendous test performance would not get some publicity. I understand there are details that should not be released, but broad success would support public confidence and also serve as some deterrent to the people with ill intent who some imagine are still biding their time.

You have to understand why outsiders would assume a simpler explanation about why there hasn't been public information about test performance.
 
2021-04-22 11:37:25 AM  
If you are that irresponsible, maybe gun ownership isn't for you.
 
2021-04-22 12:14:17 PM  
I've personally found that there's a kind of uncertainty principle that sets in as the number of owned firearms grows. As in, I do know where all of them are and what state they're in, but...not all at the same time. I have to stop and think for a moment.

But one of the things you need to do as a firearm owner is prioritize what you need to know and when you need to know it. Stepping into a TSA screening line, for instance, you should already have thought about any pistols that could conceivably be in your possession and be certain that they are not. Failing this is a pretty big fark-up.
 
2021-04-22 12:15:27 PM  
It's not really the same, since...packing heat in your luggage? Really? But CSB:

I went to Hillary Clinton campaign event with a pocketknife. Got into my fancy dress, went to the hotel, and only realized I had made a mistake when I saw the metal detector. Of course I had my knife. I always had it unless I was getting on a flight, and I wasn't getting on a flight was I? I was going to an event at a hotel. In Austin. Now, this was your basic folding pocketknife, not a Croc Dundee knife, but I was still nervous as I fished it out and just handed it to the guy working the metal detector. "I'm not getting this back, am I?" "Afraid not."

It wasn't the only knife in the little basket he had. He was polite but not effing around. The Secret Service does not have a sense of humor when on duty.
 
2021-04-22 12:58:54 PM  

freddyV: Why aren't more people cited for this?

Laziness on the end of the TSA?


They are cited. They get mailed a letter telling them to pay a huge fine.
 
2021-04-22 1:01:50 PM  

Hyjamon: Did you pack your bags yourself?

Apparently, this question is useless.


I think what happens is that they didn't unpack their bags.  My wife is definitely guilty of this--a while back I completely unpacked her carryon looking for something--and found stuff that belonged in the trash years ago, not being hauled around the world.  (She has relatives in China, visit the folks is a 6,000 mile trip.)

huntercr: While a gun seems ridiculous to me, last time I flew I accidentally left my leatherman in my backpack. The primary blade was too long, so... bye bye.

/They at least were nice about it and let me ship it to myself.


I actually got my leatherman past courthouse security several years ago.  X-ray spotted it, I said that it was a flash drive, my leatherman is sitting back in my car, I knew I couldn't bring it in--they didn't check.  Get back to my car--oops, on my seat sits the flash drive.
 
2021-04-22 1:02:51 PM  

TSA agent: freddyV: Why aren't more people cited for this?

Laziness on the end of the TSA?

They are cited. They get mailed a letter telling them to pay a huge fine.


I'd have to look it up, but a state rep or senator here in Iowa got caught and wasn't cited since he 'forgot' he had it on him.
I've seen many other articles saying the same about regular citizens as well.
 
2021-04-22 1:33:47 PM  
Why do people on the right have such mad memories?  Is it the drugs?
 
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