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2021-04-21 8:41:49 PM  
WAR (wins above replacement) and OBP (on base percentage)?

/guessing
 
2021-04-21 8:43:43 PM  
"TargetSmart's chief executive, Tom Bonier"

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2021-04-21 8:44:22 PM  
It's one stat.

1) Percentage of non-white voters in America > 0.0%
 
2021-04-21 8:45:04 PM  
Republicans are about half of the electorate.

The electorate is about half of the people eligible to vote.

25% of the population are Republicans. Due to gerrymandering and the electoral college, it takes fewer than 18% of the adult voting population to elect a majority and rule the other 82% without their consent.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION is what I say to this.
 
2021-04-21 8:46:08 PM  
Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.
 
2021-04-21 8:46:11 PM  
"In other words, the GOP is "running out" of non-college-educated Whites."

Summarized for those stymied by WaPo payroll.
 
2021-04-21 8:49:09 PM  
Non-college educated whites dropped from 53.8% of the electorate in 2016 to 49.2% in 2020.

That is still a weirdly large number, especially considering some of the morons I met in college.
 
2021-04-21 8:49:23 PM  
The future of America is brown, atheist, stoned, and a little bit gay.
 
2021-04-21 8:49:28 PM  

austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.


Oops, ong with *many of the Republicans themselves. It won't completely eradicate the party, but it would disempower them significantly.
 
2021-04-21 8:49:36 PM  
"TargetSmart's chief executive, Tom Bonier, told me this means that non-college-educated Whites increased turnout over 2016, but just not as fast as other groups. In other words, the GOP is "running out" of non-college-educated Whites.
...
If Republicans cannot find enough non-college-educated Whites and, worse for them, cannot count on White evangelicals (more than 80 percent of whom voted for the MAGA party) to keep pace with the growth of nonreligious voters, their nativist party - driven by fears of an existential threat to White Christianity - will no longer be viable at the national level."



Summary: white supremacy and religious extremism are not viable long term platforms.  Everyone else is largely smart enough not to vote for that BS.  The GOP has painted itself into a corner nationally.  They can cater to the deplorables, or they can appeal to "everyone else" who might support the not-quite-as-insane proposals of the GOP, but they can't get both groups to turn out in big numbers at once.
 
2021-04-21 8:49:43 PM  
"....Republicans' base is vanishing and they haven't the slightest idea what to do about it - other than a possibly self-destructive effort to disenfranchise voters."

The irony is staggering....

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2021-04-21 8:49:50 PM  

RasIanI: "In other words, the GOP is "running out" of non-college-educated Whites."

Summarized for those stymied by WaPo payroll.


They've hit Peak Racist Moron and need to find new constituents, but only Uneducated Racist Morons respond to their message.
 
2021-04-21 8:51:55 PM  

Todorojo: WAR (wins above replacement) and OBP (on base percentage)?

/guessing


Underrated comment.

// and as the Boobies, too!
// well done, you
 
2021-04-21 8:52:39 PM  

austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.


If Democrats kill the filibuster and pass voting reform, people will start expecting results from them and that just won't do.
 
2021-04-21 8:52:44 PM  
Alabama and West Virginia? Wait, what?
 
2021-04-21 8:52:53 PM  

RasIanI: "....Republicans' base is vanishing and they haven't the slightest idea what to do about it - other than a possibly self-destructive effort to disenfranchise voters."

The irony is staggering....

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.....Kinda...
 
2021-04-21 8:54:52 PM  

ImOscar: austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.

If Democrats kill the filibuster and pass voting reform, people will start expecting results from them and that just won't do.


It seems insane, but it does appear like they're avoiding the prospect of power simply because they don't want the responsibility that would come with it. Which is monstrous.
 
2021-04-21 8:58:48 PM  

austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio​n​s/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/​07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb7​8_story.html

It's paywalled... here is the takeway -
Opinion: Joe Manchin: I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster
 
2021-04-21 9:00:47 PM  

El_Dan: Non-college educated whites dropped from 53.8% of the electorate in 2016 to 49.2% in 2020.

That is still a weirdly large number, especially considering some of the morons I met in college.


What Rubin missed is that the men educated and racist evangelicals both heavily skew elderly too.

Not only are more young people going to college and leaving religion, the existing non college and evangelical are dying
 
2021-04-21 9:01:09 PM  

culebra: The future of America is brown, atheist, stoned, and a little bit gay.


Disagree

A LOT gay
 
2021-04-21 9:01:14 PM  

Todorojo: WAR (wins above replacement) and OBP (on base percentage)?

/guessing


This is very clever.
 
2021-04-21 9:03:04 PM  

brantgoose: Republicans are about half of the electorate.


They actually aren't, which is part of the problem.  They're something like 37 to 42% of the voting population, those are the numbers after all the suppression, Jim Crow, and other disenfranchisement currently in play.

That said, you're not wrong.  Mandatory voting and universal vote by mail are two incredibly cheap and easy to implement things that pretty much every actual democracy already has, we should try those at some point to see if they also work in fascist-dominated banana republics.
 
2021-04-21 9:03:18 PM  

austerity101: ImOscar: austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.

If Democrats kill the filibuster and pass voting reform, people will start expecting results from them and that just won't do.


It seems insane, but it does appear like they're avoiding the prospect of power simply because they don't want the responsibility that would come with it. Which is monstrous.

That's why they whine about "purity testing", even though what progressives actually want is accountability.

So many problems in America are linked to an unwillingness/inability in maintaining accountability.
 
2021-04-21 9:06:37 PM  

Iworkformsn: austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion​s/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/​07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb7​8_story.html

It's paywalled... here is the takeway -
Opinion: Joe Manchin: I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster


I thought he was in favor of changing it to the talking filibuster requiring 40 to 41 people actually be on the floor listening.... thus taking away their time to be able to be lobbied and or bribed
 
2021-04-21 9:06:44 PM  

RasIanI: "....Republicans' base is vanishing and they haven't the slightest idea what to do about it - other than a possibly self-destructive effort to disenfranchise voters."

The irony is staggering....

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ohh but you forget.  those things only applied to mainly other white people!!!!
 
2021-04-21 9:07:28 PM  

Jim_Callahan: brantgoose: Republicans are about half of the electorate.

They actually aren't, which is part of the problem.  They're something like 37 to 42% of the voting population, those are the numbers after all the suppression, Jim Crow, and other disenfranchisement currently in play.

That said, you're not wrong.  Mandatory voting and universal vote by mail are two incredibly cheap and easy to implement things that pretty much every actual democracy already has, we should try those at some point to see if they also work in fascist-dominated banana republics.


Among registered voters as late as 2019, it's about 47% Democratic and 42% Republicans...and the remainder Independents.
 
2021-04-21 9:08:11 PM  

Iworkformsn: austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion​s/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/​07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb7​8_story.html

It's paywalled... here is the takeway -
Opinion: Joe Manchin: I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster


https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph​p​/Main/TheMillstone
 
2021-04-21 9:13:03 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Iworkformsn: austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion​s/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/​07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb7​8_story.html

It's paywalled... here is the takeway -
Opinion: Joe Manchin: I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php​/Main/TheMillstone


Cool link - Fillabuster reform still isn't getting passed without Manchin on board.
 
2021-04-21 9:15:28 PM  

superstevo: RasIanI: "....Republicans' base is vanishing and they haven't the slightest idea what to do about it - other than a possibly self-destructive effort to disenfranchise voters."

The irony is staggering....

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ohh but you forget.  those things only applied to mainly other white people!!!!


That's when it was all flipped, mostly. GOP trying to get a reliable black vote from northern states, and peeling off Roosevelt Democrats.

Today Democrats want to keep their reliable black voters while peeling off Lincoln Project Republicans in the suburbs.

If anyone ever tells you that the Southern Strategy was a myth - just look at that.
 
2021-04-21 9:21:32 PM  
Because it's the only way they can win?
 
2021-04-21 9:24:44 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: culebra: The future of America is brown, atheist, stoned, and a little bit gay.

Disagree

A LOT gay


A lot of those brown people tend to be pretty religious too.

Still Democrats.
 
2021-04-21 9:26:31 PM  

RasIanI: Todorojo: WAR (wins above replacement) and OBP (on base percentage)?

/guessing

This is very clever.


Beginner's luck.

/account #60078
 
2021-04-21 9:30:09 PM  

Jim_Callahan: ...  Mandatory voting ...


No.

"...universal vote by mail..."

Yes.
 
2021-04-21 9:40:45 PM  
Assuming the world is 6000 years old, we got through 2/3 of it just fine without needing Christianity.

Compare the number of athiests and homos and trans now to what it was back then.

Christianity is your problem, folks.
 
2021-04-21 9:42:17 PM  

g.fro: Jim_Callahan: ...  Mandatory voting ...

No.

"...universal vote by mail..."

Yes.


Mandatory voting is a very obvious basic requirement of forcing political entities to actually tailor their policies in the interests of the population.

The fact that a party can win an election by "increasing turnout" instead of actually convincing the majority of voters that their position is superior is the proximate cause of almost literally every problem we have as a society, including the farking pandemic and police murdering innocent people in the streets without consequences.  Elections won by getting a minority of very stupid people super excited about a policy that's obviously completely farking moronic when presented to the average person are the equivalent of putting your gun to the forehead of democracy as a concept and unloading every round in the magazine, then reloading a few times to fill its twitching corpse with more lead after it's already down.

Voting being a thing that you only do if you feel "inspired" to do it doesn't cause democracy to fail on some airy conceptual level, it invalidates the concept itself on the level easily understood with high-school math.

If you don't want to vote for any of the available options then you can farking show up to the voting booth and fill in the "abstain" option for everything individually.

// We got an object lesson in this basic arithmetic problem in 2016 when literal fascists, who poll at only about 10% overall, got to take over the entire executive branch because of how farking excited and "engaged" people whose agenda is to commit genocide against everyone browner than them are about voting.
 
2021-04-21 9:56:56 PM  

Jim_Callahan: g.fro: Jim_Callahan: ...  Mandatory voting ...

No.

"...universal vote by mail..."

Yes.

Mandatory voting is a very obvious basic requirement of forcing political entities to actually tailor their policies in the interests of the population.

The fact that a party can win an election by "increasing turnout" instead of actually convincing the majority of voters that their position is superior is the proximate cause of almost literally every problem we have as a society, including the farking pandemic and police murdering innocent people in the streets without consequences.  Elections won by getting a minority of very stupid people super excited about a policy that's obviously completely farking moronic when presented to the average person are the equivalent of putting your gun to the forehead of democracy as a concept and unloading every round in the magazine, then reloading a few times to fill its twitching corpse with more lead after it's already down.

Voting being a thing that you only do if you feel "inspired" to do it doesn't cause democracy to fail on some airy conceptual level, it invalidates the concept itself on the level easily understood with high-school math.

If you don't want to vote for any of the available options then you can farking show up to the voting booth and fill in the "abstain" option for everything individually.

// We got an object lesson in this basic arithmetic problem in 2016 when literal fascists, who poll at only about 10% overall, got to take over the entire executive branch because of how farking excited and "engaged" people whose agenda is to commit genocide against everyone browner than them are about voting.


Forcing people to engage in political activity is unAmerican.

I think we should have a none-of-the-above option on ballots, which would also require a minimum vote threshold for victory.

There are many voting reforms we could easily implement if only there was the political will to do so. Mandatory voting would never pass a legal challenge without a constitutional amendment.
 
2021-04-21 10:07:30 PM  
Republicans have been a party without ideas for at least half a century now. It's long past time for the party to die. Figuratively or literally, I don't care.
 
2021-04-21 10:08:21 PM  

Jim_Callahan: brantgoose: Republicans are about half of the electorate.

They actually aren't, which is part of the problem.  They're something like 37 to 42% of the voting population, those are the numbers after all the suppression, Jim Crow, and other disenfranchisement currently in play.

That said, you're not wrong.  Mandatory voting and universal vote by mail are two incredibly cheap and easy to implement things that pretty much every actual democracy already has, we should try those at some point to see if they also work in fascist-dominated banana republics.


I just can't see mandatory voting ever happen here. Too many people would scream about their "freedumbs!", I mean you can't even get these idiots to wear a simple mask during a pandemic.
 
2021-04-21 10:09:48 PM  

brantgoose: Republicans are about half of the electorate.

The electorate is about half of the people eligible to vote.

25% of the population are Republicans. Due to gerrymandering and the electoral college, it takes fewer than 18% of the adult voting population to elect a majority and rule the other 82% without their consent.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION is what I say to this.


Only because when Democratic members hold the House and the Presidency they kowtow to the lower House (the Senate) instead of actually using the power of the purse. You want to shut down a$$holes like #MoscowMitch you stop playing games and hammer them non-stop. "Oopsie daisy! You wanted money for such and such project? Not unless you pass X turtle boy! You'd rather not pass anything? I guess Kentucky doesn't need that money for 'other project' either do you. Maybe that money could be reallocated somewhere more wanted, like 'purple state' project."

F**k the traitors. Keep talking tough about how you don't need that ebil big gubbermint. Cut off the gravy and watch them squeal. Then watch the jerkoff Rethuglicans get their arses tossed into the street.
 
2021-04-21 10:21:00 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Todorojo: WAR (wins above replacement) and OBP (on base percentage)?

/guessing

Underrated comment.

// and as the Boobies, too!
// well done, you


Dank a sheynem, my heebro.
 
2021-04-21 10:24:38 PM  

inglixthemad: ...

Only because when Democratic members hold the House and the Presidency they kowtow to the lower House (the Senate) instead of actually using the power of the purse.
...


Minor detail: the Senate is the upper house.
 
2021-04-21 10:26:22 PM  

austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.


Until the hedge-fund and fossil-fuel owned media character
assassinates them en masse for disrupting their Electoral Horse Race Theater. Real power is not one party dominating, real power is dominating all of the parties.

Don't let them see us, don't tell them what we are doing!
---William Burroughs, Last Words of Hassan Sabba
 
2021-04-21 10:30:49 PM  

austerity101: ImOscar: austerity101: Kill the filibuster and pass voting reform already, and this problem goes away. Along with any of the Republicans themselves.

I don't understand why this is difficult. The Democrats have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's asinine.

If Democrats kill the filibuster and pass voting reform, people will start expecting results from them and that just won't do.

It seems insane, but it does appear like they're avoiding the prospect of power simply because they don't want the responsibility that would come with it. Which is monstrous.


I think it's more self interest by the few holding it back. If the 'centrist' democrats vote for it they lose a lot of leverage if democrats don't need a super majority (eliminate the filibuster) and consistently have more than 50 senators (voting reform). In that scenario politics move to the left and the ones not interested in progress get ignored instead of being catered to.
 
2021-04-21 10:43:09 PM  

Skyfrog: Jim_Callahan: brantgoose: Republicans are about half of the electorate.

They actually aren't, which is part of the problem.  They're something like 37 to 42% of the voting population, those are the numbers after all the suppression, Jim Crow, and other disenfranchisement currently in play.

That said, you're not wrong.  Mandatory voting and universal vote by mail are two incredibly cheap and easy to implement things that pretty much every actual democracy already has, we should try those at some point to see if they also work in fascist-dominated banana republics.

I just can't see mandatory voting ever happen here. Too many people would scream about their "freedumbs!", I mean you can't even get these idiots to wear a simple mask during a pandemic.


Send everyone over the age of 18 a ballot. You can send it back blank if you want, postage is pre-paid. If you fail to do so, it's a $50 fine that will be added to your yearly tax filing. All fines will be reimbursed on your taxes if you send in a ballot for a later election.
 
2021-04-21 10:49:57 PM  

El_Dan: Non-college educated whites dropped from 53.8% of the electorate in 2016 to 49.2% in 2020.

That is still a weirdly large number, especially considering some of the morons I met in college.


Perhaps college "educated" isn't the right term. College "graduate" is more accurate and leaves room for all the idiots who have degrees.
 
2021-04-21 11:46:38 PM  

monsatano: Skyfrog: Jim_Callahan: brantgoose: Republicans are about half of the electorate.

They actually aren't, which is part of the problem.  They're something like 37 to 42% of the voting population, those are the numbers after all the suppression, Jim Crow, and other disenfranchisement currently in play.

That said, you're not wrong.  Mandatory voting and universal vote by mail are two incredibly cheap and easy to implement things that pretty much every actual democracy already has, we should try those at some point to see if they also work in fascist-dominated banana republics.

I just can't see mandatory voting ever happen here. Too many people would scream about their "freedumbs!", I mean you can't even get these idiots to wear a simple mask during a pandemic.

Send everyone over the age of 18 a ballot. You can send it back blank if you want, postage is pre-paid. If you fail to do so, it's a $50 fine that will be added to your yearly tax filing. All fines will be reimbursed on your taxes if you send in a ballot for a later election.


Why a fine?  Why not submit your voting receipt and you pay $50 less tax. For the poors who pay no tax you get a $50 credit. For the rich who pay no tax you can fark yourself.
 
2021-04-22 12:08:36 AM  
"In other words, the GOP is "running out" of non-college-educated Whites."

You know, they won't have to kill many from COVID to keep losing. 583000 dead now, I'll bet 2/3 were Republicans that were either old, or just refused to vaccinate or mask up. The areas that voted for Trump do have higher death rates, but I don't know what the exact number is or if it is enough to change an election.
 
2021-04-22 4:52:28 AM  
Didn't RTFA, is one of them old christian white people dying? Please let one of them be old christian white people dying.
 
2021-04-22 4:53:27 AM  

KarmicDisaster: "In other words, the GOP is "running out" of non-college-educated Whites."

You know, they won't have to kill many from COVID to keep losing. 583000 dead now, I'll bet 2/3 were Republicans that were either old, or just refused to vaccinate or mask up. The areas that voted for Trump do have higher death rates, but I don't know what the exact number is or if it is enough to change an election.


Citation needed.
 
2021-04-22 6:23:22 AM  

jst3p: KarmicDisaster: "In other words, the GOP is "running out" of non-college-educated Whites."

You know, they won't have to kill many from COVID to keep losing. 583000 dead now, I'll bet 2/3 were Republicans that were either old, or just refused to vaccinate or mask up. The areas that voted for Trump do have higher death rates, but I don't know what the exact number is or if it is enough to change an election.

Citation needed.


Yeah, I knew someone would ask. I had a nice chart and now I can't find it.

There is this, but it does not say "death rate" just more cases.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagro​s​s/2020/11/06/areas-worst-hit-by-covid-​19-voted-for-trump---as-cases-hit-reco​rd-high/?sh=3b033570b551

and this..
https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/u​n​dercounting-covid-19-deaths-greatest-i​n-pro-trump-areas-analysis-shows/

and this from 5 days ago...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2​0​21/04/17/us/vaccine-hesitancy-politics​.html

and this... Trump made best gains in counties with higher death rates.
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/trum​p​-made-surprising-gains-in-counties-hit​-hardest-by-covid/

Is COVID killing enough Trumpers preferentially to make a difference? I don't know, but old people are the most susceptible to succumbing.
 
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