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(Al Jazeera)   Visit North Macedonia and luxuriate in the fresh air of Bejing on a bad day combined with the picturesque charm and go-go lifestyle of Borat's Kazakhstan   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2021-04-21 12:13:34 PM  
Bleakistan, for sure.
 
2021-04-21 12:28:17 PM  
I wanna party with these guys...


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2021-04-21 12:46:57 PM  

Demetrius: I wanna party with these guys...


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Be sure to bring some plastic to heat the place up, first.
 
2021-04-21 12:58:47 PM  

Demetrius: I wanna party with these guys...

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Mrs. Swabeednian's 6th grade class?
 
2021-04-21 1:21:52 PM  
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Opening day of Disneyworld Skopje.
 
2021-04-21 1:24:33 PM  
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beijing on a bad day
 
2021-04-21 1:25:47 PM  
Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.
 
2021-04-21 1:29:23 PM  
"Truck tyres are burned as fuel in an outdoor quicklime kiln in the hills surrounding the village of Kosturino, near the town of Strumica. In Kosturino, there is a tradition handed down from one generation to another to create a long-lasting whitewash."

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2021-04-21 1:29:34 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.


If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.
 
2021-04-21 1:30:25 PM  
Born in Arizona, moved to Macedona
 
2021-04-21 1:42:12 PM  
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2021-04-21 1:43:54 PM  

Demetrius: I wanna party with these guys...


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Incoming Class of 2025
 
2021-04-21 1:46:54 PM  
I love this photo for some reason. "Man harvesting cauliflowers". Pure authenticity. I want it on my bedroom wall. Don't get me started on the tires ready to be burned
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2021-04-21 1:49:03 PM  
Holy fark this is the failure of techbros everywhere. This is why we need recycling technology, not excuses, "It costs too much to recycle that object." 100 Euros for a truckload of tires to burn? Where the hell are the engineers who claim they are so valuable to our society? We don't need new airplanes or new generations of smartphones. We need, as in life or death need, recycling and reclamation technology for infrastructure waste like tires.
 
2021-04-21 1:49:05 PM  
But do they have inferior potassium?
 
2021-04-21 1:52:22 PM  
I worked for a company that does vocational training for clients in North Macedonia. The best annual salaries we can hope to get for them are less than the average monthly rent on a 1 Bedroom apartment in a major American city.

We do our darndest to get our clients work overseas for that reason.
 
2021-04-21 1:56:47 PM  
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Ibraim, age 27, burns plastic waste to keep warm in the shack where he lives with his wife of 4 years, age 12. He lives by begging in the city. They are expecting their fifth child in June
 
2021-04-21 2:02:50 PM  

berylman: I love this photo for some reason. "Man harvesting cauliflowers". Pure authenticity. I want it on my bedroom wall. Don't get me started on the tires ready to be burned
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What would be the inauthentic version? Man harvesting soccer balls, aka Fool's Cauliflower?
 
2021-04-21 2:12:13 PM  

Algebrat: What would be the inauthentic version? Man harvesting soccer balls, aka Fool's Cauliflower?


I just meant it was very unlike a lot of staged photos. It's like the farmer doesn't know the photographer is there or just doesn't care
 
2021-04-21 2:15:40 PM  
It's not all bleak. In fact, in places, it's beautiful. Skopje is weird as fark. It looks like a European capital, as imagined by the architects of a 1990s shopping mall:

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2021-04-21 2:33:50 PM  

BigLuca: [Fark user image 850x566]
Ibraim, age 27, burns plastic waste to keep warm in the shack where he lives with his wife of 4 years, age 12. He lives by begging in the city. They are expecting their fifth child in June


Next on House Hunters: Budget $1.2 million
 
2021-04-21 2:33:52 PM  

Yellow Beard: Born in Arizona, moved to Macedona


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2021-04-21 2:48:34 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Holy fark this is the failure of techbros everywhere. This is why we need recycling technology, not excuses, "It costs too much to recycle that object." 100 Euros for a truckload of tires to burn? Where the hell are the engineers who claim they are so valuable to our society? We don't need new airplanes or new generations of smartphones. We need, as in life or death need, recycling and reclamation technology for infrastructure waste like tires.



The people who run and own Macedonia are mostly Slavic (nominally eastern orthodox Christians) while most of the people in the story are Roma and ethnic Albanians (Muslims).  The Albanians who converted to Islam en masse  during the time of the Ottomans and the Roma who wandered into Europe through the Balkans during the same time are despised minorities.   This is not a failure of tech, it's the legacy of a 400 year old imperial occupation.
 
2021-04-21 2:49:55 PM  

dothemath: [aljazeera.com image 850x566]
Opening day of Disneyworld Skopje.


F. That's depressing.

FarkinNortherner: It's not all bleak. In fact, in places, it's beautiful. Skopje is weird as fark. It looks like a European capital, as imagined by the architects of a 1990s shopping mall:

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.....now that's just weird.
 
2021-04-21 2:53:06 PM  
I was born a little north of there. It was shiatty communists who run the country. It hasn't improved one bit.  Met a lot of refugees in the last 25 years, working for Social services.  Many miss home, but were happy to be here, no one threatened them because of their religion. What I personally find appalling is the religious intolerance.  One of my parents was German speaking with an engineering degree from Germany, a catholic, the other orthodox.  Break up in the early nineties hasn't improved living standard of most people. Never went back. Happy to be in Canada.  My kids are Canadian born.
 
2021-04-21 2:56:47 PM  
I'm just calling it Macedonia. My Big Fat Macedonia.
 
2021-04-21 3:13:11 PM  
Maybe they're showing the worst of the worse but that looks way rougher than Beijing. All those people look like the filth farmers from the Holy Grail. I don't think China is encouraging tire fires or plastic burning. Every two stroke in that city is going to electric and most of the cars are heading that way from what I saw. China is making an effort. These unfortunate people seem to be going the other way.
 
2021-04-21 3:23:53 PM  
Those pictures remind me of Sarajevo when I lived there 2001 to 2004. The smell in the wintertime, from people burning ANYTHING to stay warm was.... unforgettable...
 
2021-04-21 3:25:17 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.


They probably beg as well.

The Roma people are in different classes, one of them being the "begging class".

The "begging class" are only allowed to beg. It's probably better than the "stealing class" though. Neither class are allowed to work.

No, I am not making this up.
 
2021-04-21 3:26:21 PM  

dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.


She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class
 
2021-04-21 4:11:22 PM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: I was born a little north of there. It was shiatty communists who run the country. It hasn't improved one bit.  Met a lot of refugees in the last 25 years, working for Social services.  Many miss home, but were happy to be here, no one threatened them because of their religion. What I personally find appalling is the religious intolerance.  One of my parents was German speaking with an engineering degree from Germany, a catholic, the other orthodox.  Break up in the early nineties hasn't improved living standard of most people. Never went back. Happy to be in Canada.  My kids are Canadian born.


You Kosovar who got out during the war?
 
2021-04-21 4:13:30 PM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: I was born a little north of there. It was shiatty communists who run the country. It hasn't improved one bit.  Met a lot of refugees in the last 25 years, working for Social services.  Many miss home, but were happy to be here, no one threatened them because of their religion. What I personally find appalling is the religious intolerance.  One of my parents was German speaking with an engineering degree from Germany, a catholic, the other orthodox.  Break up in the early nineties hasn't improved living standard of most people. Never went back. Happy to be in Canada.  My kids are Canadian born.


I like the euphemism for your job "social services" given your Fark handle
 
2021-04-21 4:17:11 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class


Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.
 
2021-04-21 4:43:05 PM  

Father_Jack: Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class

Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.


I dont know about any of that but I used to manage a haunted house in Houston part time back in the 90's and they had a family of them who ran the snack wagon and did fortune readings. I never once talked to any of them because something about them just weirded me out.
 
2021-04-21 4:50:19 PM  

Father_Jack: Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class

Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.


During the Iron Curtain times, the commies repeatedly tried to 'settle' the Roma.  They were given apartments, their kids were put in school.  They were required to report for jobs.   Some welcomed the chance to break the cycle of Roma life, most did not.   The second communism collapsed they immediately returned to their traditional lifestyle.
 
2021-04-21 5:05:59 PM  

Father_Jack: Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class

Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.


Same.

I watched a Swedish documentary about a man who lost contact to his whole family and social network because he broke Roma rules.

By getting a job.

He didn't belong in the having a job class, so obviously that was very bad.
 
2021-04-21 5:13:36 PM  
Father_Jack Are you kidding?  I arrived in Canada 1963.  One more thing I would like to add.  The Albanian minority was treated very poorly.  They were poor and hungry, no jobs except for most menial is what I remember growing up. They were looked down, just terrible.  I am not surprised they rebelled. I might add the Roma were also the lowest of the low.  Women married very young. by the time they were thirty they would have 5 to 6 children. Very few of them attended school.  Most of them were illiterate.
 
2021-04-21 5:14:32 PM  

Fissile: Father_Jack: Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class

Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.

During the Iron Curtain times, the commies repeatedly tried to 'settle' the Roma.  They were given apartments, their kids were put in school.  They were required to report for jobs.   Some welcomed the chance to break the cycle of Roma life, most did not.   The second communism collapsed they immediately returned to their traditional lifestyle.


Communism Vs. Romas is like the end level of a computer game.

I guess Romas have survived as a people without a nation for all this time by resisting stuff like jobs, education and apartments.

Good for them.
 
2021-04-21 5:20:30 PM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: Father_Jack Are you kidding?  I arrived in Canada 1963.  One more thing I would like to add.  The Albanian minority was treated very poorly.  They were poor and hungry, no jobs except for most menial is what I remember growing up. They were looked down, just terrible.  I am not surprised they rebelled. I might add the Roma were also the lowest of the low.  Women married very young. by the time they were thirty they would have 5 to 6 children. Very few of them attended school.  Most of them were illiterate.


Albanians aren't Roma.

The Roma people are a tribe from around India.

Albanians are well, a tribe from around Albania.
 
2021-04-21 5:38:15 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Third rate whore in Toronto: Father_Jack Are you kidding?  I arrived in Canada 1963.  One more thing I would like to add.  The Albanian minority was treated very poorly.  They were poor and hungry, no jobs except for most menial is what I remember growing up. They were looked down, just terrible.  I am not surprised they rebelled. I might add the Roma were also the lowest of the low.  Women married very young. by the time they were thirty they would have 5 to 6 children. Very few of them attended school.  Most of them were illiterate.

Albanians aren't Roma.

The Roma people are a tribe from around India.

Albanians are well, a tribe from around Albania.


Most Albanian males are Y haplogroup E-V13 which originated in what is today Greece.  It's a common haplogroup among peoples of the Southern Balkans.   DNA studies of the Roma prove they originated in Northern India.
 
2021-04-21 5:42:37 PM  
The Leutonian Hour
Youtube M1I9ihL-QYo
 
2021-04-21 5:44:36 PM  

Father_Jack: Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class

Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.


Whenever they come into the hospital they steal everything that isn't nailed down.
 
2021-04-21 5:50:15 PM  

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John Candy was from Toronto.  There was a very large Croatian community in Toronto and I'll bet dollars to donuts that's what inspired this.
 
2021-04-21 5:50:29 PM  
AlHarris31Yea I know.  One more thing that was unusual, at least for me.  My father's mother was Austrian and his father was Slovenian, being more German than Serbian had red hair and so did I.  Most unusual. As well as being catholic. Because my father, as an engineer and German speaking would be sent by government to Switzerland, Sweden and Germany on various projects.  He did that for a few years until he eventually decided not to return.  And that is when our troubles started. He was considered a traitor.  We were questioned several times and eventually after my Dad settled in Canada he sent for us. I still remember going to municipal office to pay house taxes and was harassed. Clerk yelled at me.  Never saw her before but she knew about us. My mother and my sister left before I did. I lived with my maternal aunt. At one point I received a letter to come to government office.  Luckily for me I had a ticket and passport and left in a hurry. I didn't endear myself to my relatives after I left.  They were questioned and my cousin was held in a cell for several days.
 
2021-04-21 5:58:18 PM  
Ketchuponsteak I'm well aware Albanians are not Roma. They were an ethnic minority in Kosovo. Treated very badly.   .
 
2021-04-21 6:10:32 PM  

Fissile: Ketchuponsteak: Third rate whore in Toronto: Father_Jack Are you kidding?  I arrived in Canada 1963.  One more thing I would like to add.  The Albanian minority was treated very poorly.  They were poor and hungry, no jobs except for most menial is what I remember growing up. They were looked down, just terrible.  I am not surprised they rebelled. I might add the Roma were also the lowest of the low.  Women married very young. by the time they were thirty they would have 5 to 6 children. Very few of them attended school.  Most of them were illiterate.

Albanians aren't Roma.

The Roma people are a tribe from around India.

Albanians are well, a tribe from around Albania.

Most Albanian males are Y haplogroup E-V13 which originated in what is today Greece.  It's a common haplogroup among peoples of the Southern Balkans.   DNA studies of the Roma prove they originated in Northern India.


Yeah. They're two distinct ethnic groups.
 
2021-04-21 6:17:22 PM  

Medic Zero: Father_Jack: Ketchuponsteak: dothemath: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Naza, 51, has nine children and supports herself by begging on the streets.

Kids these days don't pull their own weight.

If she only had 2-4 kids she could probably still live the luxurious life of a prostitute.

She's a Roma, so she belongs to the begging class

Roma are the only people I've encountered who fit the negative propaganda said about them.

Im a quite lefty multicultural sorta lib so it was weird to me how mich I found myself thinking thoughts which could only be described as fascist when I was around them.

Non assimilating, incredibly stinky, aggressively begging, unhealthy toothless savages who rob and steal everything they can.

Whenever they come into the hospital they steal everything that isn't nailed down.


I kinda wonder what mindset you have, when you want to steal everything, and you know everyone is aware that you want to steal everything.

In Denmark we can't have clocks in hospital rooms, because well, they can be stolen.
 
2021-04-21 6:47:07 PM  

zimbomba67: [YouTube video: The Leutonian Hour]


I miss John
 
2021-04-21 10:49:31 PM  
This article is why Greece went ballistic when Yugoslavia decided to rename themselves Macedonia, it's like Troma films trying to rebrand itself as Disney.  YMMV with this analogy if you didn't grow up in a Greek household.
 
2021-04-21 11:44:02 PM  
Has Macedonia even done anything significant since Alexander the Great?
 
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