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2021-04-21 12:29:38 PM  
 Have to agree with subby. The last thing I care about is appearance because it's going straight into a case. A super-thin and sexy phone is no longer pretty when you drop it on concrete, which nearly everyone does sooner or later.
 
2021-04-21 12:40:33 PM  
When phones were just plastic shells, you could get away with no case. Now that they are fragile and shatter, not putting them in a case is some trust in yourself and fate. As long as a case is cheaper than a single replacement cost, seems worth it to me.

That, and rubber grips a surface more than glass. Less a chance to rocket off into space if you bump it.
 
2021-04-21 12:42:55 PM  
Just be sure your case has a circle in the middle of it so everyone can see that Apple logo.

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2021-04-21 12:46:19 PM  
Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.
 
2021-04-21 12:48:15 PM  
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2021-04-21 12:51:22 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: When phones were just plastic shells, you could get away with no case. Now that they are fragile and shatter, not putting them in a case is some trust in yourself and fate. As long as a case is cheaper than a single replacement cost, seems worth it to me.

That, and rubber grips a surface more than glass. Less a chance to rocket off into space if you bump it.


I'll go with a minimalist case these days to offer basic protection.  But I don't get the otter box style of case that turns your phone into giant brick.  It's not that hard to avoid damage.

Though having just said that, I probably just jinxed myself.
 
2021-04-21 12:54:02 PM  

Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.


Some goes through fisher price/Henry Ford cycles.

Look at the old iMac line and lamp shade versions for a fisher price style. iPhones on the higher hand had a bunch of versions that are only black. Then finally very limited options like rose gold.

Seems they a swinging fisher price again.
 
2021-04-21 12:54:26 PM  
The new iMacs are nifty

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2021-04-21 12:56:00 PM  

dickfreckle: Have to agree with subby. The last thing I care about is appearance because it's going straight into a case. A super-thin and sexy phone is no longer pretty when you drop it on concrete, which nearly everyone does sooner or later.


Am I strange that the only time I've ever dropped my phone, or did anything more than scuff the finish, was when I already had the replacement phone in the post?
 
2021-04-21 12:57:39 PM  

Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.


I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.
 
2021-04-21 12:58:45 PM  
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What an otter boxing may look like.
 
2021-04-21 1:07:28 PM  
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2021-04-21 1:21:30 PM  

Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.


I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.
 
2021-04-21 1:25:05 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.


I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.
 
2021-04-21 1:27:48 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: When phones were just plastic shells, you could get away with no case. Now that they are fragile and shatter, not putting them in a case is some trust in yourself and fate. As long as a case is cheaper than a single replacement cost, seems worth it to me.

That, and rubber grips a surface more than glass. Less a chance to rocket off into space if you bump it.


My current phone is a Nokia 6.1 with the aluminum body. I was shooting a video for a client on a zipline 60 ft up at a zipline course when it fell and actually struck a rock when it hit. I asked the young lady underneath me if she could pick it up for me and she was shocked when she saw that there was absolutely no damage to it and it continues to work perfectly a year and a half later. Seriously it's a freaking tank but still pretty thin. Honestly unless you have them in a really good box I don't think most other phones could have survived that.
 
2021-04-21 1:30:17 PM  

i state your name: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.

I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.


I'm convinced that Apple is doing dark magic with batteries. Everyone claims that their apple laptop lasts decades at this point, and I can't get a laptop battery to make it more than 2.5 years before it's life is reduced from being measured in hours to measured in minutes.

But if we want to go that way, I have 1st gen Dell XPS13 that would still be my main machine if the battery didn't last about 45 minutes unplugged.

/it was my work from home machine owing to some short sightedness in various cable requirements
//who the hell sells a computer monitor without an HDMI port, I mean really
///worse, what company would buy such a monitor (other than mine)
 
2021-04-21 1:32:16 PM  

cocozilla: AppleOptionEsc: When phones were just plastic shells, you could get away with no case. Now that they are fragile and shatter, not putting them in a case is some trust in yourself and fate. As long as a case is cheaper than a single replacement cost, seems worth it to me.

That, and rubber grips a surface more than glass. Less a chance to rocket off into space if you bump it.

My current phone is a Nokia 6.1 with the aluminum body. I was shooting a video for a client on a zipline 60 ft up at a zipline course when it fell and actually struck a rock when it hit. I asked the young lady underneath me if she could pick it up for me and she was shocked when she saw that there was absolutely no damage to it and it continues to work perfectly a year and a half later. Seriously it's a freaking tank but still pretty thin. Honestly unless you have them in a really good box I don't think most other phones could have survived that.


Nokiamantium, while not the material it used to be, is still pretty solid.
 
2021-04-21 1:37:17 PM  

Gubbo: i state your name: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.

I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.

I'm convinced that Apple is doing dark magic with batteries. Everyone claims that their apple laptop lasts decades at this point, and I can't get a laptop battery to make it more than 2.5 years before it's life is reduced from being measured in hours to measured in minutes.

But if we want to go that way, I have 1st gen Dell XPS13 that would still be my main machine if the battery didn't last about 45 minutes unplugged.

/it was my work from home machine owing to some short sightedness in various cable requirements
//who the hell sells a computer monitor without an HDMI port, I mean really
///worse, what company would ...


Little known fact: Steve Jobs was Ravenclaw, Woz was Hufflepuff and Tim Cook roomed with Voldemort.
 
2021-04-21 1:40:24 PM  

i state your name: Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong


Same, though it might be from 2015. It's gone from my wife to our son and now our daughter. The biggest problem is it won't keep a charge anymore, which would have been a problem on in person school days this year, classes are online whether in school or at home, but we got a loaner. Right now it's a still a PITA to go the Apple store in my local mall to get it looked at.
 
2021-04-21 1:44:05 PM  
My first iphones were protected with an otterbox.

But then they moved from 'completely waterproof' to "water resistant"

So now I buy the catalyst case. I drop that sucker from on top of my RV...about 14 ft up...twice and nothing.

It regularly tumbles down the stairs and a few trips to the toilet. All continues to work.

/yes I am a klutz
 
2021-04-21 1:46:18 PM  

dickfreckle: Have to agree with subby. The last thing I care about is appearance because it's going straight into a case. A super-thin and sexy phone is no longer pretty when you drop it on concrete, which nearly everyone does sooner or later.


My iPhone SE (new one) can't get through a day of active use on one charge, so it's in a chunky case with an external battery.
 
2021-04-21 1:57:22 PM  

Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.


I have a 2012 Mac Mini that happy chugs along storing my music and video libraries.

Only upgrade I've done to it was replacing the painfully slow HD with an SSD.
 
2021-04-21 1:57:24 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac,


I'm old.  I coined that phrase when the very first iMacs came out (or maybe a few years later, since by then they were second-hand enough to be used by a fourth-tier university student newspaper  1999/2000 or shortly thereafter).  They were hermetically sealed so you couldn't make any modifications or upgrades, and the outer cases were eye-watering bright colours.  Came with a hockey puck-shaped single-button mouse that violated every rule of ergonomics.  Maybe the computer's gotten better since then, but I've stubbornly remained a Windows user since then

/too incompetent to use Linux
//every desktop PC I've ever had has been home-built
///not my home - see above about being incompetent
 
2021-04-21 1:57:42 PM  
Once the full edge-to-edge screen was introduced, that was it.  Those can't withstand much - I had never broken an iphone in 9 years (despite many, many drops) until I got an Xr last year.  One fall, done.  I'm back to the SE with the old-fashioned home button, which I wear on my belt right next to my onion.
 
2021-04-21 2:15:36 PM  

i state your name: I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.


My 2015 MBP is the last one before the Touch Bar idiocy. It has what I believe is the best laptop keyboard ever created (my opinion, obviously, but I've never found anything else I like better - certainly the Butterfly one was a giant step down). The touchpad on it is only now being even approached by the most expensive PC laptops. (Seriously, how the hell is Apple like 5+ years in front of everyone else with touchpads? Trying to use a touchpad on literally any other device is an exercise in frustration.) Unfortunately, it does not have the upgraded GPU in it, so it starts chugging under graphics-intensive stuff, but otherwise I have no problems doing anything else on it. Even the Windows 10 VM on it still runs fine. It's WiFi is more than fast and stable enough for pretty much anything. It could probably use a battery replacement, but even then, the current one is strong enough that I can still get 2 hours out of it with constant video use.
 
2021-04-21 2:28:16 PM  

Gubbo: i state your name: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.

I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.

I'm convinced that Apple is doing dark magic with batteries. Everyone claims that their apple laptop lasts decades at this point, and I can't get a laptop battery to make it more than 2.5 years before it's life is reduced from being measured in hours to measured in minutes.

But if we want to go that way, I have 1st gen Dell XPS13 that would still be my main machine if the battery didn't last about 45 minutes unplugged.

/it was my work from home machine owing to some short sightedness in various cable requirements
//who the hell sells a computer monitor without an HDMI port, I mean really
///worse, what company would ...


You might be the victim of overzealous Cybersecurity people. VGA is analog and hack proof. DVI has analog backwards compatibility in some variations. Anything newer is digital and has a minute chance of being a threat vector.
 
2021-04-21 2:36:33 PM  

steve_wmn: Gubbo: i state your name: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.

I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.

I'm convinced that Apple is doing dark magic with batteries. Everyone claims that their apple laptop lasts decades at this point, and I can't get a laptop battery to make it more than 2.5 years before it's life is reduced from being measured in hours to measured in minutes.

But if we want to go that way, I have 1st gen Dell XPS13 that would still be my main machine if the battery didn't last about 45 minutes unplugged.

/it was my work from home machine owing to some short sightedness in various cable requirements
//who the hell sells a computer monitor without an HDMI port, I mean really
///worse, what company would ...

You might be the victim of overzealous Cybersecurity people. VGA is analog and hack proof. DVI has analog backwards compatibility in some variations. Anything newer is digital and has a minute chance of being a threat vector.


Who knows. But yeah, it had vga and dvi. By some kind of strangeness, I happened to have a hdmi to vga cable. Which feels like a very strange cable to have purchased.
 
2021-04-21 2:43:03 PM  

Bondith: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac,

I'm old.  I coined that phrase when the very first iMacs came out (or maybe a few years later, since by then they were second-hand enough to be used by a fourth-tier university student newspaper  1999/2000 or shortly thereafter).  They were hermetically sealed so you couldn't make any modifications or upgrades, and the outer cases were eye-watering bright colours.  Came with a hockey puck-shaped single-button mouse that violated every rule of ergonomics.  Maybe the computer's gotten better since then, but I've stubbornly remained a Windows user since then



So your knowledge of iMacs is 20 years out of date, but you'll just keep f**kin' that chicken.
 
2021-04-21 2:45:27 PM  

Joe_diGriz: My 2015 MBP is the last one before the Touch Bar idiocy. It has what I believe is the best laptop keyboard ever created (my opinion, obviously, but I've never found anything else I like better - certainly the Butterfly one was a giant step down).


They eventually fixed the keyboards. The 2020 model still has a touchbar but the Esc key is real and it doesn't use the butterfly mechanism. It also has a touch ID sensor in the power button, which is quite convenient.
 
2021-04-21 3:07:31 PM  

i state your name: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac, purchased summer 2012. I have used this thing for thousands and thousands of hours, have spent exactly $0 in repairs or upgrades. It does not lag, even when streaming HD video or surfing the internet with 6 tabs open.

First couple generations of iMac were buggy, but this is a $1200 machine that's given me 9 years of issue-free use. That's a steal in my book. Maybe the laptops are not as reliable.

I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.


I have a 2010 macbook pro still working fine, although I deleted OS X and replaced it with fedora since Apple decided it's no longer worthy of receiving security updates.

My 2007 imac lasted me more than a decade until I decided to join the PC master race (and you know, actually get to play video games),
 
2021-04-21 3:08:16 PM  

bingethinker: Bondith: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac,

I'm old.  I coined that phrase when the very first iMacs came out (or maybe a few years later, since by then they were second-hand enough to be used by a fourth-tier university student newspaper  1999/2000 or shortly thereafter).  They were hermetically sealed so you couldn't make any modifications or upgrades, and the outer cases were eye-watering bright colours.  Came with a hockey puck-shaped single-button mouse that violated every rule of ergonomics.  Maybe the computer's gotten better since then, but I've stubbornly remained a Windows user since then


So your knowledge of iMacs is 20 years out of date, but you'll just keep f**kin' that chicken.


Found the Mac zealot.
 
2021-04-21 3:08:52 PM  
I've got an old Mac mini. 2010? 2012?  I don't know.   I replaced both hard drives with bigger SSDs a few years ago when I ran out of space.  It was like buying a new machine.  I don't really feel like I need anything new right now as most of my computing time is spent with an ipad.
 
2021-04-21 3:10:28 PM  

Ivo Shandor: They eventually fixed the keyboards. The 2020 model still has a touchbar but the Esc key is real and it doesn't use the butterfly mechanism. It also has a touch ID sensor in the power button, which is quite convenient.


For those with an Apple watch, another nifty feature is the computer unlocks with the proximity of the watch.


I think mine's a 2017, so I have the touchbar and butterfly keyboard.  I honestly don't mind the keyboard, but I also never ran into any key sticking issues or whatever else was buggy about them.  The touchbar was an interesting idea if developers actually managed to make it useful for their apps.
 
2021-04-21 3:16:40 PM  

Bondith: Eddie Hazel's E string: I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac,

I'm old.  I coined that phrase when the very first iMacs came out (or maybe a few years later, since by then they were second-hand enough to be used by a fourth-tier university student newspaper  1999/2000 or shortly thereafter).  They were hermetically sealed so you couldn't make any modifications or upgrades, and the outer cases were eye-watering bright colours.  Came with a hockey puck-shaped single-button mouse that violated every rule of ergonomics.  Maybe the computer's gotten better since then, but I've stubbornly remained a Windows user since then


Yep, those first generation ones (teal, and then several other colors) were buggy, which I did mention in my post upthread. They've gotten way more reliable since they switched to Intel chips 10-12 years ago. The round mouse was awful but short-lived.

All Macs are "hermetically sealed" so as not to be modified. For someone like me, that's actually a plus. If you're in their target market and want something for media consumption, word processing and communication, they're great products. If you're super into tinkering and mods, tech specs, upgrades, gaming, programming, they're definitely not.
 
2021-04-21 3:19:31 PM  

Bondith: Found the Mac zealot.


Dude, you admitted stubbornly not using Apple products because of a bad impression 20+ years ago. Just maybe you're out of your element here.

/also typing this from my home built PC
 
2021-04-21 3:55:24 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Bondith: Found the Mac zealot.

Dude, you admitted stubbornly not using Apple products because of a bad impression 20+ years ago. Just maybe you're out of your element here.

/also typing this from my home built PC


He is definitely misinformed, but he is correct about flagging the Apple zealot.
 
2021-04-21 3:57:34 PM  
Forget Otterbox:

https://www.supcase.com/
 
2021-04-21 4:03:45 PM  

Bondith: bingethinker: Bondith: Eddie Hazel's E string: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I agreed with your post until the final sentence.

I'm posting from a model 2011 iMac,

I'm old.  I coined that phrase when the very first iMacs came out (or maybe a few years later, since by then they were second-hand enough to be used by a fourth-tier university student newspaper  1999/2000 or shortly thereafter).  They were hermetically sealed so you couldn't make any modifications or upgrades, and the outer cases were eye-watering bright colours.  Came with a hockey puck-shaped single-button mouse that violated every rule of ergonomics.  Maybe the computer's gotten better since then, but I've stubbornly remained a Windows user since then


So your knowledge of iMacs is 20 years out of date, but you'll just keep f**kin' that chicken.

Found the Mac zealot.


One of the two of them show up in these threads. Always. There used to be a 3rd but they haven't been around in over a year or so.
 
2021-04-21 4:16:22 PM  
I have a 2020 16 inch mbp and handed down my 2012 model to my son. If he was taking it to school, I'd drop a couple of hundred for a fresh battery, but it's still fine.

My experience with Mac laptops has been fantastic but I'm also comparing to the windows Dell machines large companies have assigned to me - which are invariably garbage (and not representative of what is available on the market)

Home server is a 2012 Mac mini that is just perfect for that role frankly.

I'm getting a fantastic annual cost of ownership frankly.

But I also have not felt the need to tinker with my computer hardware in decades... It's an appliance or tool for my usage
 
2021-04-21 4:39:43 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: All Macs are "hermetically sealed" so as not to be modified. For someone like me, that's actually a plus. If you're in their target market and want something for media consumption, word processing and communication, they're great products. If you're super into tinkering and mods, tech specs, upgrades, gaming, programming, they're definitely not.


There's a middle ground. I'm posting this from a mid-2010 27" iMac that I bought refurbished from Apple. I've added RAM, replaced the spinning primary drive with an SSD and added a second internal drive for media (this model has SATA connections for two drives). I'm not a hardware tech by any means, but with iFixit videos and $20 worth of tools I was able to open it up to do those modifications.

Unfortunately I can't update the OS beyond 10.13 so I'm buying a new Mac this year. The new 24" iMac looks good, but since I'm thinking of getting the top version loaded with extra RAM and SSD, I'll hold off to see what the low-end new 30" (or whatever it's going to be) looks like before I buy.
 
2021-04-21 5:25:54 PM  

Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.


The M1 MacBooks are class leading. It's not even close how much better they are as a package than the competition.
 
2021-04-21 5:36:36 PM  

Heliodorus: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

The M1 MacBooks are class leading. It's not even close how much better they are as a package than the competition.


Unless you want some external monitors. Or expansion options. Or a graphics card. Or, until yesterday, fast networking options.

No, the M1 might be something eventually, but for now it's just a good chip with lots of potential and lots of early adopter gen 1 issues.

Issues that I expect to get sorted out, but still issues.
 
2021-04-21 5:48:13 PM  

Heliodorus: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

The M1 MacBooks are class leading. It's not even close how much better they are as a package than the competition.


To be clearer. If you want an ipad, you're almost certainly buying an ipad.

For the M1, if you want a computer or a laptop (and that's all it is, it's nothing revolutionary, just a laptop or computer), for all intents and purposes it is just another laptop.

That is has a fancy new chip is relevant to about 2% of the population.
 
2021-04-21 5:48:16 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

I have a 2012 Mac Mini that happy chugs along storing my music and video libraries.

Only upgrade I've done to it was replacing the painfully slow HD with an SSD.


Wow. Nine years for a desktop. You know they're supposed to last that long, right? As in, forget lifespan, there are machines with uptime that long.

I'd be pissedif any component (except a spinning hard drive) I bought died in that length of time.
 
2021-04-21 6:15:26 PM  

Heliodorus: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

The M1 MacBooks are class leading. It's not even close how much better they are as a package than the competition.


Well.... no.

I have an M1 MacBook Pro. I love the thing to death. Just because I like MacOS, and I'm currently being held prisoner in the Apple ecosystem.

I also have the new 2021 ASUS G14 with the Ryzen 9 5000HS, and the Nvidia RTX 3060 GPU. I picked it up for mobile gaming.
It runs circles around the M1 MacBook.

Retail on the G14 was 1499.00  Comparable spec'd MacBook Pro is 1899.00
16GB RAM  1TB SSD.

About the only real advantage is battery life.
I can get 9 to 10 hours out of the G14, and 12 out of the M1 MacBook.
This is with moderate use.
 
2021-04-21 6:21:11 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Heliodorus: Gubbo: Bondith: Apple: Same crappy product, new Dayglo packaging.

That's been their motto for about 20 years.

I don't think you can say that about the iphone, and you certainly can't about the ipad.

I hate apple as much as anyone (and haven't owned an apple device since the short lived ipod nano), but the iphone is top of the line and the ipad is simply class leading to the point where it almost doesn't have any competitors.

Their computers on the other hand....perfectly valid point.

The M1 MacBooks are class leading. It's not even close how much better they are as a package than the competition.

Well.... no.

I have an M1 MacBook Pro. I love the thing to death. Just because I like MacOS, and I'm currently being held prisoner in the Apple ecosystem.

I also have the new 2021 ASUS G14 with the Ryzen 9 5000HS, and the Nvidia RTX 3060 GPU. I picked it up for mobile gaming.
It runs circles around the M1 MacBook.

Retail on the G14 was 1499.00  Comparable spec'd MacBook Pro is 1899.00
16GB RAM  1TB SSD.

About the only real advantage is battery life.
I can get 9 to 10 hours out of the G14, and 12 out of the M1 MacBook.
This is with moderate use.


Will apple sell you anything that is comparable to a GTX3060?

I remember the 30k macbook pro being specc'd with 2 Vegas or something that together might equal your GTX.
 
2021-04-21 6:55:55 PM  

Joe_diGriz: i state your name: I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.

My 2015 MBP is the last one before the Touch Bar idiocy. It has what I believe is the best laptop keyboard ever created (my opinion, obviously, but I've never found anything else I like better - certainly the Butterfly one was a giant step down). The touchpad on it is only now being even approached by the most expensive PC laptops. (Seriously, how the hell is Apple like 5+ years in front of everyone else with touchpads? Trying to use a touchpad on literally any other device is an exercise in frustration.) Unfortunately, it does not have the upgraded GPU in it, so it starts chugging under graphics-intensive stuff, but otherwise I have no problems doing anything else on it. Even the Windows 10 VM on it still runs fine. It's WiFi is more than fast and stable enough for pretty much anything. It could probably use a battery replacement, but even then, the current one is strong enough that I can still get 2 hours out of it with constant video use.


My 2009 MBP was built like a tank. It lasted for a decade.

The new M1 MBP is pretty nifty. I actually like the touchbar. Fun thing is that it exposes a color picker for the Fark comments box, so now all my posts can be Fabulous!
I haven't any idea how to get it without the touchbar, actually. Help?

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/Also, if you want a battery to last, don't leave it plugged in all the time. Doing that kills the charge capacity.
 
2021-04-21 7:31:55 PM  

Fursecution: /Also, if you want a battery to last, don't leave it plugged in all the time. Doing that kills the charge capacity.


Not my problem. Apple should offer a Preferences option to let the battery float between (say) 50-80% when plugged it, rather than expecting me to plug and unplug it throughout the day to keep it in that range. And cycling a battery also wears it out.

They do have an "optimized battery charging" option which kinda sorta tries to accomplish that, but not a simple way for a user to actually tell it what to do.
 
2021-04-21 7:53:57 PM  
I live in Maryland.  People down in NOVA have an incessant need to biatch and piss and moan about Maryland at every turn.  Maryland people seem more or less uninterested in NOVA.  It's a strangely obsessive one-sided rivalry.

Well, second strangest.  It's nothing compared to Android and iOS. The Android-bro crowd's need to telegraph how much they hate Apple is truly bizarre.  It's not jealousy due to the cost - phones are farking cheap, and if you're short on funds, you can even buy them on installments like Honest Jim's Buy-Here-Pay-Here Quality Used Cars.  It's not about the software support - these days, you can generally find any app, or a comparable app on either environment.  Go to an iPhone page and ask what they think of Android and you'll get a giant shrug.  Maybe a few "This feature is cool"s or "great hardware but the UI isn't as smooth"s or "I had one for a bit and switched back."

It's a weird one-sided obsession, and it's a little creepy.
 
2021-04-21 8:09:19 PM  

Fursecution: Joe_diGriz: i state your name: I've got a Macbook from around the same era might be as new as a 2014 model, but is still going strong, I have had to replace the power cord, but other than that no issues an streams Netflix, Disney+, HBOmax, Hulu etc. like a champ. Before that I had as series of PC laptops that never lasted more than 3 years without completely crapping the bed.

My 2015 MBP is the last one before the Touch Bar idiocy. It has what I believe is the best laptop keyboard ever created (my opinion, obviously, but I've never found anything else I like better - certainly the Butterfly one was a giant step down). The touchpad on it is only now being even approached by the most expensive PC laptops. (Seriously, how the hell is Apple like 5+ years in front of everyone else with touchpads? Trying to use a touchpad on literally any other device is an exercise in frustration.) Unfortunately, it does not have the upgraded GPU in it, so it starts chugging under graphics-intensive stuff, but otherwise I have no problems doing anything else on it. Even the Windows 10 VM on it still runs fine. It's WiFi is more than fast and stable enough for pretty much anything. It could probably use a battery replacement, but even then, the current one is strong enough that I can still get 2 hours out of it with constant video use.

My 2009 MBP was built like a tank. It lasted for a decade.

The new M1 MBP is pretty nifty. I actually like the touchbar. Fun thing is that it exposes a color picker for the Fark comments box, so now all my posts can be Fabulous!
I haven't any idea how to get it without the touchbar, actually. Help?

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/Also, if you want a battery to last, don't leave it plugged in all the time. Doing that kills the charge capacity.


I've got a 2012 MBP.  New battery, 16 GB RAM, and a 1 TB SSD.

I kinda want an M1, but this damn workhorse just keeps going.  It's crazy compared to the Dell, Toshiba, and Acer laptops I had before - plastic frames, dead pixels, keys falling off, Windows OS decay.  The only thing that's even slightly annoying is that the screen hinge has gotten a bit loose over the last 4 years of owning it.

/Wife has one too that just keeps going
//same upgrades
///The next laptop I buy will be a loaded M1 MBP.  If you buy a laptop once a decade, who cares how much it costs?
 
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