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2021-04-20 10:45:58 PM  
Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.


Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.
 
2021-04-20 11:23:17 PM  

gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.


Why would their heads explode? They gonna say its the deep state making stuff up on trump and theres no way hes been on russia's payroll for 34 years, thats hes given them hundreds of state secrets while he was president, that he laundered money for the GRU for decades and that money was used to murder americans and spy on the US.

When they write the book on the GRU operation on trump and the GOP, it'll be the most successful spy operation in human history and the biggest failure in intelligence in US history. They knew Trump was an agent yet didnt do shiat for all these years because money.

The FBI/CIA leadership needs to be wiped off the map and charged with treason.
 
2021-04-20 11:24:30 PM  

gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.


The fraudulent indictments from the deep state shills installed by an illegitimate president?  Those the one's that are going to make their heads explode?
 
2021-04-20 11:53:41 PM  
Hilarious!!
It touches on something which has always amazed me. The willingness of individuals to sign a waiver.
 
2021-04-21 2:01:12 AM  
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.
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Xai [TotalFark]
2021-04-21 2:58:13 AM  
It's pretty obvious this would happen, as moderate conservatives leave the Trump cabal, the ones left are the distilled extremists who are too prideful to ever admit they made a mistake and that, frighteningly, will take that decision to their graves.
 
2021-04-21 3:00:00 AM  
Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2021-04-21 3:00:03 AM  
I might add that this will not get better since as their group becomes fewer in number, the extremists will become more normal when compared to their fellow crazy trump cult members, meaning that they are even less inclined to change their ways. This really is a cult.
 
2021-04-21 3:33:42 AM  

gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.


That was the point in the video when I stopped hearing what the deplorables said as words and started to hear it as a sustained burst of television static.
 
2021-04-21 3:49:22 AM  
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2021-04-21 3:58:22 AM  

Alphax: Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.


I had a guy not wearing a mask at the grocery store pretend that he thought I was a someone he knew, as a pretense to start up a mask argument I'm assuming. All he was able to do though was mumble "I'm a constitutional American, and I'm just...uh... I'm just, my rights..." Before I said "nice, man" and walked off. I saw him maybe 5 minutes later still muttering the same gibberish and about 20 feet from where I first ran into him. I'm sure it made sense in his head he just couldn't quite get his "I'm not a sheep" screed out. His skin was super red as well, like over his entire body. Like he was straining super hard.
 
2021-04-21 4:02:05 AM  
Baron looks like a AI powered robotic child that runs the UI of an underground science colony from a zombie nightmare horror video game.
 
2021-04-21 4:03:53 AM  

mistahtom: Baron looks like a AI powered robotic child that runs the UI of an underground science colony from a zombie nightmare horror video game.


Isn't he about a foot taller than any Trump right now?
 
2021-04-21 4:10:15 AM  

mistahtom: Baron looks like a AI powered robotic child that runs the UI of an underground science colony from a zombie nightmare horror video game.


He's just a kid who has two awful parents.
There is a 900% chance he will end up just like them but I don't have the energy or the reason to hate him until he works for it.  Until then he's a poor, gangly, most likely in-the-spectrum kid who deserved better.
 
2021-04-21 4:18:55 AM  

Alphax: mistahtom: Baron looks like a AI powered robotic child that runs the UI of an underground science colony from a zombie nightmare horror video game.

Isn't he about a foot taller than any Trump right now?


That would make him 6'10".
 
2021-04-21 4:50:33 AM  
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2021-04-21 4:54:54 AM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x336]


No one ever called them well adjusted.
 
2021-04-21 4:55:10 AM  
Yes, they're loonies.
 
2021-04-21 4:56:02 AM  

gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.


What indictments? Vance is worthless. The DOJ office is just shuffling papers. There were no charges waiting for him when he left office. At most there are rumors that a relative of someone in the Trump org is angry at a high ranking person in it. And that's all. He's going to run out the statute of limitations on everything important. And all we'll have is the prosecutors sadly wanking their limp peckers vaguely in the direction of a few underlings.

There isn't going to be a perp walk or a trial or a sentence.
 
2021-04-21 5:01:12 AM  

gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.


I swear, their ability to avoid cognitive dissonance is a farking superpower.
 
2021-04-21 5:01:55 AM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x336]


Well, yesterday we all learned that the bronie/nazi overlap is real. Maybe the twihard/nazi connection is a thing too?
 
2021-04-21 5:06:46 AM  

Xai: It's pretty obvious this would happen, as moderate conservatives leave the Trump cabal, the ones left are the distilled extremists who are too prideful to ever admit they made a mistake and that, frighteningly, will take that decision to their graves.


It's happened with the religious right: over a period of two decades, the number of Americans identifying as religious dropped by 15%, but the number identifying a fundamentalist went from 500,000 to 2 million.  As the fringe believers drop out, the remainder gets ever more crazy.
 
2021-04-21 5:16:41 AM  

lolmao500: The FBI/CIA leadership needs to be wiped off the map and charged with treason.


Most of them only noticed after Trump was the Republican nominee, before that they had faith that the good people of America would vote for sanity.

But by October they were getting nervous, so they sent Evan McMullin to save America....

That plan didn't work..

When James Comey got fired there was the sense of oh, shiat, this Trump fellow is behaving strangely so the Mueller investigation got started.

They're apoliticals who historically don't get involved with politics or pay attention to politics. That norm was intended to be a check on their power but I don't think that norm is really needed.

The FBI and CIA need to see the whole world, including America.

Susan Collins is not Chris Wray's fault, but unlike Trump, I think the intelligent people can learn lessons.
 
2021-04-21 5:20:53 AM  

Alphax: Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.


Remember that one rally, I believe it was in Iowa?, where they had everyone out in some field and Trump flew in around 9pm, did his little schtick for an hour or two, then left but all the buses that took people from the parking lot to the field had gone home so everyone had to walk like two miles back to their cars but they were all old or out of shape and it was like 14 degrees out? I think about that a lot. It really summed up the whole disorganized chaos of the campaign perfectly.
 
2021-04-21 5:22:12 AM  

anuran: gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.

What indictments? Vance is worthless. The DOJ office is just shuffling papers. There were no charges waiting for him when he left office. At most there are rumors that a relative of someone in the Trump org is angry at a high ranking person in it. And that's all. He's going to run out the statute of limitations on everything important. And all we'll have is the prosecutors sadly wanking their limp peckers vaguely in the direction of a few underlings.

There isn't going to be a perp walk or a trial or a sentence.


The best part will be having "moderates" here and elsewhere telling us how there was nothing that could be done and how nothing was the smartest thing to do.
 
2021-04-21 5:22:28 AM  
Just a reminder that the same youth base who are vehemently supportive of Trump now were the same incel edge lords in 2005 and 2006 talking about raping women's for fun on 4chan.
 
2021-04-21 5:27:35 AM  

havocmike: Alphax: Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.

Remember that one rally, I believe it was in Iowa?, where they had everyone out in some field and Trump flew in around 9pm, did his little schtick for an hour or two, then left but all the buses that took people from the parking lot to the field had gone home so everyone had to walk like two miles back to their cars but they were all old or out of shape and it was like 14 degrees out? I think about that a lot. It really summed up the whole disorganized chaos of the campaign perfectly.


Looked it up, it was Omaha - https://www.ketv.com/article/thousa​nds​-stranded-in-the-cold-struggle-to-leav​e-site-of-omaha-trump-rally/34506267
 
2021-04-21 5:28:06 AM  

Alphax: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x336]

No one ever called them well adjusted.


Trumpanzees bring shame unto out of season vampire fangs.

OwO
 
2021-04-21 5:29:17 AM  

hardinparamedic: Just a reminder that the same youth base who are vehemently supportive of Trump now were the same incel edge lords in 2005 and 2006 talking about raping women's for fun on 4chan.


As I've told my dad: the reason I've abandoned the Republican Party is because his generation of conservatives are merely clueless in their bigotry... Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z that identify as conservative are genuinely ducking terrifying.

Anybody who tells you that racism is gonna die out with the boomers are in for a rude awakening.
 
2021-04-21 5:29:27 AM  

havocmike: havocmike: Alphax: Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.

Remember that one rally, I believe it was in Iowa?, where they had everyone out in some field and Trump flew in around 9pm, did his little schtick for an hour or two, then left but all the buses that took people from the parking lot to the field had gone home so everyone had to walk like two miles back to their cars but they were all old or out of shape and it was like 14 degrees out? I think about that a lot. It really summed up the whole disorganized chaos of the campaign perfectly.

Looked it up, it was Omaha - https://www.ketv.com/article/thousan​ds-stranded-in-the-cold-struggle-to-le​ave-site-of-omaha-trump-rally/34506267​


As I recall, the bus companies were stiffed.
 
2021-04-21 5:30:11 AM  

gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.


The party of "fark you, I can't read" said with pride.
 
2021-04-21 5:31:26 AM  

Gordon Bennett: gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

Gonna be hysterical to see these Trumphumper's heads asplode when the indictments start coming out.

That was the point in the video when I stopped hearing what the deplorables said as words and started to hear it as a sustained burst of television static.


Or lengthy sustained farts.
 
2021-04-21 5:34:41 AM  
The people who are living the words "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command" are the same people who screech a private business requiring a mask for entry is "Orwellian."
 
2021-04-21 5:45:05 AM  

MattytheMouse: hardinparamedic: Just a reminder that the same youth base who are vehemently supportive of Trump now were the same incel edge lords in 2005 and 2006 talking about raping women's for fun on 4chan.

As I've told my dad: the reason I've abandoned the Republican Party is because his generation of conservatives are merely clueless in their bigotry... Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z that identify as conservative are genuinely ducking terrifying.

Anybody who tells you that racism is gonna die out with the boomers are in for a rude awakening.


And layers and layers if "this". You have a chance, a perhaps small chance that takes decades, of changing the minds of the passively hateful, those who advocate for "preserving traditional marriage" and the like without one thought spared for those oppressed by their views. The only way to deal with the actively hateful is to properly shun them and convince them that their ideas are unwelcome and best left unspoken until enough people catch on to avoid passing them to the next generation. Effectively, we'll never be fully rid of the latter, but if we can steer the former, we can reduce the number who we have to treat as the latter.

In this case, that shunning means making those hateful positions downright a poison pill for those seeking elected positions, boycotting companies who adopt those views to eat into the profitability of hate, and continuing to do what we can to change the minds of those who find themselves arguing out of ignorance alone.

So in regards to the Republican party, I haven't fully given up hope for all of their voters, but those holding elected positions at the moment are largely the sort that we can't easily sway.
 
2021-04-21 5:53:13 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: gopher321: Some of the conversations went as follows:
"Read the transcript," a MAGA supporter said of the impeachment trial.
"Did you read the transcript?" asked Klepper.
"I didn't have to," he replied.
"But it's important that everyone read the transcript?"
"Yes absolutely."
"But to be clear, you have not read the transcript," Klepper pressed.
"I haven't, no... Don't be a sheep, think for yourself."
"But to be clear, you haven't read it, you just trusted someone else to have read it," Klepper confirms.
"Yes," replied the MAGA supporter.

I swear, their ability to avoid cognitive dissonance is a farking superpower.


Not a super power, just the result of a very thorough brainwashing -- just as Orwell said.
 
2021-04-21 6:09:49 AM  
The reward in their skinner box was being an asshole.

They're not going to give that up.
 
2021-04-21 6:10:46 AM  

lolmao500: They knew Trump was an agent yet didnt do shiat for all these years because money.

The FBI/CIA leadership needs to be wiped off the map and charged with treason.


What "money" are you talking about, for whom, and what specific evidence is there of it? And exactly what action do you think the CIA had the authority to take against the President in any case? The President gets to direct the intelligence agency, they're there to provide him information and it is entirely up to the POTUS what to do with it.

And the FBI conducted the Mueller investigation. Yes it was obstructed, but they weren't doing nothing. If you're saying Barr is a criminal then you'll get no argument from me, but good luck in court with that one. And treason? Come on man. That's an even longer shot than something simple like obstruction of justice, you probably couldn't even convince a judge that it applied (because it almost certainly doesn't). You do know we have a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard and not an "it seems likely to me" standard, right?
 
2021-04-21 6:11:41 AM  
I can't watch these segments, seeing these people interviewed just brings out the most negative thoughts. This is what happens when the most deplorable members of a society gather to form a social group. Even if Man-child did not exist they would still be deplorable losers simply latching on to some other equally pathetic loser.
 
2021-04-21 6:11:43 AM  

Alphax: Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.


What's the old saying...a plague rat and and another person having a conversation are two plague rats?
 
2021-04-21 6:12:21 AM  

omg bbq: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x336]

Well, yesterday we all learned that the bronie/nazi overlap is real. Maybe the twihard/nazi connection is a thing too?


twihard

Well, today I learned a new term; I'd thank you, but I can't say that my life has been enriched by the knowledge
 
2021-04-21 6:39:11 AM  
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2021-04-21 7:00:50 AM  
They should use some of the comments for Planned Parenthood ads.
 
2021-04-21 7:03:26 AM  

ReluctantLondon: omg bbq: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x336]

Well, yesterday we all learned that the bronie/nazi overlap is real. Maybe the twihard/nazi connection is a thing too?

. twihard

Well, today I learned a new term; I'd thank you, but I can't say that my life has been enriched by the knowledge


I'm sorry.
 
2021-04-21 7:07:03 AM  

omg bbq: ReluctantLondon: omg bbq: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x336]

Well, yesterday we all learned that the bronie/nazi overlap is real. Maybe the twihard/nazi connection is a thing too?

. twihard

Well, today I learned a new term; I'd thank you, but I can't say that my life has been enriched by the knowledge

I'm sorry.


Speaking of which...! I'm so sorry I slept through that thread yesterday, because as a brony and a perpetual opponent to the alt-right, I could've shared my expertise on Nazi bronies!

Anyway, I'm going to go to bed soon since I've been up all night working. Can I trust someone else to post questionable images in threads while I'm sleeping?
 
2021-04-21 7:12:03 AM  
So a sad fantasy of actually controlling something in their disaffected lives.

Empathize with them, but don't sympathize.  Even enemies can be *nice people.*
 
2021-04-21 7:23:00 AM  
So,

This article was written by someone who had watched a bunch of the Daily Show?

Was there nothing new to report than what was already reported ON the Daily Show?

Not that the work Klepper is doing isn't important, fark trumpers and everyone who supported that sack of irradiated shiat, of course.

But this feels like the news cycle running on a treadmill to me.
 
2021-04-21 7:25:34 AM  

mistahtom: Baron looks like a AI powered robotic child that runs the UI of an underground science colony from a zombie nightmare horror video game.


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2021-04-21 7:29:10 AM  

havocmike: Alphax: Klepper noted that there isn't much that could deter a Trump rally: not bad weather, an impeachment trial, or even a global pandemic called COVID-19. In regards to masks, some said "we're lions not sheep," therefore they won't follow the mask mandate that they argue infringes on their rights.

That's when you end the interview on the spot and get the hell away from the plague rat.

Remember that one rally, I believe it was in Iowa?, where they had everyone out in some field and Trump flew in around 9pm, did his little schtick for an hour or two, then left but all the buses that took people from the parking lot to the field had gone home so everyone had to walk like two miles back to their cars but they were all old or out of shape and it was like 14 degrees out? I think about that a lot. It really summed up the whole disorganized chaos of the campaign perfectly.


The reason the buses left was because the trump team didn't pay them the last time they did business with them. They were assured they would get paid this time, so they bussed the people out there. They got word that they weren't going to get paid this time either, so they left.

Mutherfarking. Grifters. Everything that dude touches turns to shiat, and it feels like it's on purpose on his part.
 
2021-04-21 7:31:05 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: So,

This article was written by someone who had watched a bunch of the Daily Show?


Not a bunch. Just one episode. There an all-Klepper episode, and this a review or recap or something.
 
2021-04-21 7:33:11 AM  

MattytheMouse: omg bbq: ReluctantLondon: omg bbq: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x336]

Well, yesterday we all learned that the bronie/nazi overlap is real. Maybe the twihard/nazi connection is a thing too?

. twihard

Well, today I learned a new term; I'd thank you, but I can't say that my life has been enriched by the knowledge

I'm sorry.

Speaking of which...! I'm so sorry I slept through that thread yesterday, because as a brony and a perpetual opponent to the alt-right, I could've shared my expertise on Nazi bronies!

Anyway, I'm going to go to bed soon since I've been up all night working. Can I trust someone else to post questionable images in threads while I'm sleeping?


It may have actually been the day before that.  Fark has been weirder than normal lately and it's hard to keep track.
 
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