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2021-04-20 2:59:12 PM  
Apparently the Super League managed to take down Edward Woodward at Manchester United as well.as Jose Mourinho at Spurs
 
2021-04-20 3:00:09 PM  
Shame, that.
 
2021-04-20 3:01:34 PM  

LucklessWonder: Apparently the Super League managed to take down Edward Woodward


Alexander the Great saw the breadth of his plight and wept, for there were no more farks left to give.
 
2021-04-20 3:01:56 PM  
This is the most exciting soccer has been in... Well, EVER!
 
2021-04-20 3:03:54 PM  
See, the thing about the ESL is that they're always trying to walk it back.
 
2021-04-20 3:07:50 PM  
Who got the first trophy and what was it called?
 
2021-04-20 3:09:12 PM  

FlameDuck: Who got the first trophy and what was it called?


Jose Mourinho..."The P45"
 
2021-04-20 3:11:16 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: See, the thing about the ESL is that they're always trying to walk it back.


Can't spell Arsenal without ESL.
 
2021-04-20 3:12:35 PM  

LucklessWonder: Apparently the Super League managed to take down Edward Woodward at Manchester United as well.as Jose Mourinho at Spurs


Woodward being out makes the super league the greatest success United fans have had in almost a decade
 
2021-04-20 3:14:28 PM  
RIP big club marketing guy that staked his reputation on selling this idea to ownership.
 
2021-04-20 3:14:43 PM  
Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.
 
2021-04-20 3:15:32 PM  
The best description I heard of it was "What if Meryl Streep broke away from the Academy and formed her own Oscars where she is nominated every year?"
 
2021-04-20 3:15:57 PM  

buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.


The big teams weren't happy with the revenue split of the midweek Europe wide champions league competition.

So they tried to make their own. It has not gone well.

/there might also be something about including hookers and blackjack
 
2021-04-20 3:16:20 PM  
Andrea Agnelli just resigned too.
 
2021-04-20 3:16:54 PM  
Chelsea going back to the Premier League, hanging their heads, and saying, "I guess I never realized... that I already had a Super League all along."
 
2021-04-20 3:18:34 PM  

JerseyTim: Chelsea going back to the Premier League, hanging their heads, and saying, "I guess I never realized... that I already had a Super League all along."


None of them were leaving the premier league. It was only ever gonna be a midweek champions league replacement

/I think
 
2021-04-20 3:22:24 PM  

inert: Andrea Agnelli just resigned too.


🗣| Via the reliable @_Morik92_ :
There's no truth in Andrea Agnelli's resignation as the president of the Juventus.
- JuveFC (@juvefcdotcom) April 20, 2021
Maybe not.
 
2021-04-20 3:23:14 PM  
MU's owner wanted to reduce match times.
TV stays away from it due to lack of endless commercial$$$.

This will all get fixed soon, soccer is gonna change no matter what.

Don't believe me? Look what they did to hockey.
 
2021-04-20 3:27:44 PM  

Gubbo: JerseyTim: Chelsea going back to the Premier League, hanging their heads, and saying, "I guess I never realized... that I already had a Super League all along."

None of them were leaving the premier league. It was only ever gonna be a midweek champions league replacement

/I think


I'd think that the FA would boot the teams involved with the Super League from the Premier League.

/As would the other federations and leagues with teams supposedly getting involved with this.
 
2021-04-20 3:29:06 PM  

buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.


imagine conference play in college football being a separate entity from non conference and the CFP.

You win your conference this year, and so NEXT year you get to play a non conference season-long schedule against the other conference winners, and that determines the "true" champion of all of college football.

so each year you basically play two seasons in one.

then imagine that Clemson, Alabama, OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and Notre Dame decide they should just play each other every year and tell everyone else to fark off to the Poinsettia Bowl.
 
2021-04-20 3:30:11 PM  

fastfxr: MU's owner wanted to reduce match times.
TV stays away from it due to lack of endless commercial$$$.

This will all get fixed soon, soccer is gonna change no matter what.

Don't believe me? Look what they did to hockey.


The best thing to happen to the owners of the NHL was Gary Bettman. The worst thing to happen to the players and fans of the NHL was Gary Bettman.
 
2021-04-20 3:31:50 PM  

baorao: buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.

imagine conference play in college football being a separate entity from non conference and the CFP.

You win your conference this year, and so NEXT year you get to play a non conference season-long schedule against the other conference winners, and that determines the "true" champion of all of college football.

so each year you basically play two seasons in one.

then imagine that Clemson, Alabama, OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and Notre Dame decide they should just play each other every year and tell everyone else to fark off to the Poinsettia Bowl.


Isnt that what already happens in College football?
 
2021-04-20 3:33:30 PM  

fastfxr: TV stays away from it due to lack of endless commercial$$$.


Yeah, if there's one issue soccer has, it's not getting out there and on TV.
 
2021-04-20 3:35:48 PM  

Dick Gozinya: fastfxr: MU's owner wanted to reduce match times.
TV stays away from it due to lack of endless commercial$$$.

This will all get fixed soon, soccer is gonna change no matter what.

Don't believe me? Look what they did to hockey.

The best thing to happen to the owners of the NHL was Gary Bettman. The worst thing to happen to the players and fans of the NHL was Gary Bettman.


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2021-04-20 3:40:37 PM  

baorao: buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.

imagine conference play in college football being a separate entity from non conference and the CFP.

You win your conference this year, and so NEXT year you get to play a non conference season-long schedule against the other conference winners, and that determines the "true" champion of all of college football.

so each year you basically play two seasons in one.

then imagine that Clemson, Alabama, OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and Notre Dame decide they should just play each other every year and tell everyone else to fark off to the Poinsettia Bowl.


Truthfully, that happened 40 years ago with NCAA vs. Board of Regents.  FBS schools left the governance of NCAA and took control of TV contracts by creating the College Football Association, and when that outlived its usefulness by 1992, they realigned and created the Bowl Alliance, then more realignment leading to the Bowl Coalition, then created the BCS, followed by the current playoff.  All if it has been run by the top conferences for almost 40 years; the NCAA hasn't actually run 1-A/FBS football since.
 
2021-04-20 3:40:51 PM  

buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.


They do have multiple championships going at once, you're not imagining it.

Best I can describe it is by analogy: picture American college basketball.  There's the regular season, then if you do well enough the conference tournament, then if you do well enough either the NIT or the NCAA tournament.

Now, imagine if all of those tournaments were spread out across the same period of time and run roughly contemporaneously  So maybe you start the regular season by playing two or three games one week, then a week later each conference plays the first round of their conference tournament.  Then maybe the following weekend the NIT/NCAA tournament starts with the round of 64, seeded based on how you did in the regular season last year.  Lather, rinse, repeat until the season is over and all of these titles are determined.

That's kind of how it is in European soccer.  You have regular season matches against other teams in your national championship, for which points are awarded depending on result (3 for win, 1 for draw) - usually your team plays each other team twice and the one with the most points at the end of the season is the champion.  Then there's usually a national cup tournament, for which there's a seeded bracket and eliminations depending on who wins and loses.  And then there's the Champions League (the equivalent to the NCAA tournament in this analogy), which takes the top two or three teams from each national league (English Premier League, Italian Série A, German Bundesliga, etc.) and puts them in a knockout tournament.  The next few teams down the ladder from those go to the Europa League, which is kind of like the NIT.  This is all an oversimplification but it's the best I can do off-chance.

What the Super League aimed to do, as far as I can tell, is create a separate, exclusive tournament of 12 or so of the most prestigious and wealthy teams who just played amongst themselves, presumably sucking up all of the media attention and TV dollars in the process.
 
2021-04-20 3:41:33 PM  

Dick Gozinya: baorao: buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.

imagine conference play in college football being a separate entity from non conference and the CFP.

You win your conference this year, and so NEXT year you get to play a non conference season-long schedule against the other conference winners, and that determines the "true" champion of all of college football.

so each year you basically play two seasons in one.

then imagine that Clemson, Alabama, OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and Notre Dame decide they should just play each other every year and tell everyone else to fark off to the Poinsettia Bowl.

Isnt that what already happens in College football?


sort of. cfp is a playoff right away within the same season. this is based on results from the prior season.

I didn't want to get too complex right off the top.

in europe its actually the top 2-4 teams from various leagues that qualify for the champions league and play the extra playoff for the bigger trophy.

so imagine a dozen blue blood college football teams that regularly finish top 2-4 in their conference telling everyone else to get bent because they are starting their own playoff.

or imagine this as a college basketball discussion with Kentucky and some others starting their own version of March madness where they always qualify because they own the tournament
 
2021-04-20 3:51:41 PM  
Incredible. Was told the collapse may well see the Glazers cash out. This points in that direction. https://t.co/lUEjOKAyKc
- Mike Keegan (@MikeKeegan_DM) April 20, 2021
 
2021-04-20 3:51:43 PM  
Me thinks they greatly underestimated the backlash.  Cause this blew up in their faces but at least they had the sense to call it off before things got lawyery and expensive.
 
2021-04-20 3:51:59 PM  
From Counsellor Troi: https://twitter.com/Marina_Sirt​is/stat​us/1384416664230498304?s=20

She was slightly miffed.

/quality follow, too
 
2021-04-20 3:53:29 PM  
The BBC are doing their usual thing of not posting anything that they don't have verified, so all they have so far is that Chelsea and City have asked to leave.

And apparently Woodward was going to leave at the end of the year anyway, they just brought the announcement forward. Hmm. Hmmmmm.
 
2021-04-20 3:58:06 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: baorao: buckeyebrain: Can someone talk to me like a five-year-old?  It seems like these European soccer teams have like four different seasons going on at the same time.

imagine conference play in college football being a separate entity from non conference and the CFP.

You win your conference this year, and so NEXT year you get to play a non conference season-long schedule against the other conference winners, and that determines the "true" champion of all of college football.

so each year you basically play two seasons in one.

then imagine that Clemson, Alabama, OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and Notre Dame decide they should just play each other every year and tell everyone else to fark off to the Poinsettia Bowl.

Truthfully, that happened 40 years ago with NCAA vs. Board of Regents.  FBS schools left the governance of NCAA and took control of TV contracts by creating the College Football Association, and when that outlived its usefulness by 1992, they realigned and created the Bowl Alliance, then more realignment leading to the Bowl Coalition, then created the BCS, followed by the current playoff.  All if it has been run by the top conferences for almost 40 years; the NCAA hasn't actually run 1-A/FBS football since.


That was a bit more like the English First Division leaving the Football League to become the Premier League.  Although the EPL was no longer under the Football League structure, they stayed under the Football Association umbrella, which meant they still played by FA rules and regulations and were still part of the FA football pyramid (and it also meant that UEFA and FIFA accepted the EPL as a legitimate league).  In the same way, although the CFA/Bowl Alliance/Playoff schools aren't technically under the NCAA structure when it comes to deciding a champion, they still play under NCAA rules and regulations and are still part of the NCAA Divisional structure (in the sense that school can move from FCS to FBS and vice versa), and the NCAA accepts that the champion as decided under the FBS structure counts as the national champion.

What the ESL wanted to do was create a competition that was outside of the rules and regulations of UEFA, FIFA, and the various national leagues.  They didn't want any other organization to have any control--including financial control--over the league's play.  As another poster suggested, this would be like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and a couple other schools creating their own closed-shop league which didn't benefit any other school nor the NCAA.  You can see why the football governing bodies weren't happy about that situation, nor should they have been, seeing as the clubs became wealthy and famous in the first place under their administration.
 
2021-04-20 4:03:56 PM  
There is a growing possibility that Jose Mourinho may be the only European Super League manager ever to be sacked. The Special One.
- Richard Jolly (@RichJolly) April 20, 2021
 
2021-04-20 4:07:07 PM  
What I'd give to see the memoranda sent from FIFA, UEFA, and the leagues sent to broadcasters (domestic and international) regarding civil action if said broadcasters elected to bid for the European Super League.
 
2021-04-20 4:08:20 PM  
I gotta wonder whether the failure to sign up PSG, Bayern, and Borussia Dortmund is what made the ESL untenable.  It wasn't just the fact that a real Super League of Europe would be a bit pointless without them in it, but also that without them only three of the Big Five leagues had representatives.  That would have lost them a lot of leverage with UEFA and FIFA, and it also made the ESL look a lot less representative of European football.

Not to mention how bad it looked that they couldn't convince three of the biggest clubs in the sport that this was actually a good idea.
 
2021-04-20 4:16:49 PM  
German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.
 
2021-04-20 4:19:46 PM  

Cyrene Valantion: German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.


Ooohh The Germans (Mr. Burns)
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2021-04-20 4:20:40 PM  
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2021-04-20 4:20:55 PM  
from jordan henderson, that.
 
2021-04-20 4:21:47 PM  

Cyrene Valantion: German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.


If the champions league was going to be Bayern and a bunch of nobody's promoted up from the Europa, the fans might have had to have a little think
 
2021-04-20 4:23:48 PM  

Gubbo: Cyrene Valantion: German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.

If the champions league was going to be Bayern and a bunch of nobody's promoted up from the Europa, the fans might have had to have a little think


Well, they would've saved a ton of money, b/c their best players would've left.
 
2021-04-20 4:36:17 PM  

The Third Man: I gotta wonder whether the failure to sign up PSG, Bayern, and Borussia Dortmund is what made the ESL untenable.


The German clubs are part owned by supporters (51% I believe) and therefore were very unlikely to join this farce. If the whole idea hadn't fallen apart in the last few hours then I wouldn't have been surprised if PSG asked to join.
 
2021-04-20 4:36:28 PM  

Trocadero: Gubbo: Cyrene Valantion: German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.

If the champions league was going to be Bayern and a bunch of nobody's promoted up from the Europa, the fans might have had to have a little think

Well, they would've saved a ton of money, b/c their best players would've left.


Left to go where?

There's no way the domestic leagues would have kicked out these teams.

And as for FIFA, that was an excellent bluff. But do you really have a world cup of the best players from the biggest european teams aren't there.

I dunno. It all seems amazingly half assed.
 
2021-04-20 4:37:01 PM  

JerseyTim: fastfxr: TV stays away from it due to lack of endless commercial$$$.

Yeah, if there's one issue soccer has, it's not getting out there and on TV.


Getting three games, all from the same league, isn't anyone's definition of 'soccer on TV'.
 
2021-04-20 4:39:02 PM  

socalnewwaver: from jordan henderson, that.


Several of the Liverpool players have tweeted it.

King Kenny himself has tweeted his opposition.

Sterling over at City just tweeted a waving goodbye emoji.

It's football carnage.
 
2021-04-20 4:40:51 PM  

Gubbo: Trocadero: Gubbo: Cyrene Valantion: German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.

If the champions league was going to be Bayern and a bunch of nobody's promoted up from the Europa, the fans might have had to have a little think

Well, they would've saved a ton of money, b/c their best players would've left.

Left to go where?

There's no way the domestic leagues would have kicked out these teams.

And as for FIFA, that was an excellent bluff. But do you really have a world cup of the best players from the biggest european teams aren't there.

I dunno. It all seems amazingly half assed.


What I meant was, if Bayern didn't jump to the Super League, and the Champions' League was Bayern and bunch of nothings, then the best Bayern players would've left. Those guys are pretty expensive.
 
2021-04-20 4:42:32 PM  
But it wouldn't be a bunch of nothings, the 12 super league clubs aren't even the best in the game at the moment, several of them aren't even *in* this years champions league and aren't going to qualify for next.
 
2021-04-20 4:45:22 PM  

Trocadero: Gubbo: Trocadero: Gubbo: Cyrene Valantion: German clubs wouldn't have been able to easily join, the law there says all clubs must be 50% fan owned, and they'd likely not vote for it.

If the champions league was going to be Bayern and a bunch of nobody's promoted up from the Europa, the fans might have had to have a little think

Well, they would've saved a ton of money, b/c their best players would've left.

Left to go where?

There's no way the domestic leagues would have kicked out these teams.

And as for FIFA, that was an excellent bluff. But do you really have a world cup of the best players from the biggest european teams aren't there.

I dunno. It all seems amazingly half assed.

What I meant was, if Bayern didn't jump to the Super League, and the Champions' League was Bayern and bunch of nothings, then the best Bayern players would've left. Those guys are pretty expensive.


That makes more sense. It's hard to get top tier players to come to a team that isn't playing in the top tier European competition, I can probably just go back to saying Champions League for that.
 
2021-04-20 4:49:02 PM  
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2021-04-20 5:01:37 PM  
Connor McGregor just tweeted that he's going to buy Manchester United.

It's now *that* kind of new s cycle.
 
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