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(Cato Institute)   A few years ago, CATO posted an interesting idea on curtailing police misconduct. Yes, that CATO   (cato.org) divider line
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2021-04-20 1:38:43 PM  
While this sort of petty tyranny may pale in comparison to beatings and shootings, these micro‐assaults on people's freedom are antithetical to liberal democracy and, in the aggregate, corrosive to the rule of law. The message is clear: "I'm a cop. If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."

Huh. They actually DO get it.
 
2021-04-20 1:45:39 PM  

GardenWeasel: While this sort of petty tyranny may pale in comparison to beatings and shootings, these micro‐assaults on people's freedom are antithetical to liberal democracy and, in the aggregate, corrosive to the rule of law. The message is clear: "I'm a cop. If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."

Huh. They actually DO get it.


A broken clock is right twice a day, i guess.
 
2021-04-20 1:46:56 PM  
They need to gag on a dry ham sandwich.
 
2021-04-20 1:52:40 PM  
Well, it would be weird if it was Cato Fashions, subby.
 
2021-04-20 1:58:43 PM  
The CATO institute used to run a website called policemisconduct . org which stopped listing police issues and  went away in January 2017. I wonder what happened then?

The Marshall Project now does that. It's at https://www.themarshallproject.org/re​c​ords/1798-police-misconduct if you're interested.  I haven't gone through it but it does seem to be listing quite a few incidents.
 
2021-04-20 2:15:38 PM  
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2021-04-20 2:22:17 PM  
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2021-04-20 2:47:59 PM  

Fireproof: Well, it would be weird if it was Cato Fashions, subby.


I'm waiting for a second opinion from Ross, personally. Or at least Dress Barn.
 
2021-04-20 3:02:47 PM  

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Holy crap, that guy had completely evaporated from my memory.
 
2021-04-20 3:03:55 PM  
In 2019 there were still a few holdout libertarians who hadn't gone all-in on Trumpism.
 
2021-04-20 3:05:02 PM  
"...there are rarely any consequences for officers who engage in the sort of low‐level harassment described..."

There are rarely any consequences for officers, period.  That's the ongoing problem.
 
2021-04-20 3:05:23 PM  
Makes sense, they want a Cyberpunk/Shadowrun type world and strong state authority gets in the way of that. Corporations gunning you down is fine, just not the state.
 
2021-04-20 3:05:27 PM  
Or, we could just abolish the police and start over, thus vacating the need for such a system.
 
2021-04-20 3:06:51 PM  
The question is ages old - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

The answer has always been there - public oversight with the ability to remove abusers.

Sure, it'll never be a perfect system - you'll have corrupt or complicit overseers, but it is a hell of a lot better than watching your neighbors get murdered by cops for unsatisfactory boot licking.
 
2021-04-20 3:07:33 PM  
The Younger?
 
2021-04-20 3:11:08 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: Fireproof: Well, it would be weird if it was Cato Fashions, subby.

I'm waiting for a second opinion from Ross, personally. Or at least Dress Barn.


This is a Hot Topic
 
2021-04-20 3:12:01 PM  
The 2021 mayor's race for Arlington features a trumpbuddy ex-cop -- a /drug/ cop -- who's gone out of his way to let everybody know that only he can protect you from the menace of defunding the police, and all his trumpbuddies fell right in line behind him.

If CATO -- a group that solely concerns itself with giving its trumpbuddies power and rhetorical cover -- wants to do something about police misconduct, I honestly can't think of anything cheaper or more effective than suicide.
 
2021-04-20 3:13:34 PM  
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"The death of others is a small price to pay, as they fall, performing their duties in order to achieve glory for the interest of the best Ultramarine Captain - which of course is I, Cato Sicarius!"
 
2021-04-20 3:17:02 PM  
Wait, the party of small government wants to create a new court for policing the police?
 
2021-04-20 3:18:15 PM  

GardenWeasel: While this sort of petty tyranny may pale in comparison to beatings and shootings, these micro‐assaults on people's freedom are antithetical to liberal democracy and, in the aggregate, corrosive to the rule of law. The message is clear: "I'm a cop. If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."

Huh. They actually DO get it.


Soooooo. "Broken Windows" applied to cops?
 
2021-04-20 3:19:16 PM  
Since this is fark, without reading the article I'm going to guess this was written by Radley Balko when he worked there.

Someone want to check for me?
 
2021-04-20 3:19:53 PM  
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2021-04-20 3:23:37 PM  
Got that, got that, got that, got that......

...leaving satisfied....
 
2021-04-20 3:23:40 PM  
the officer was in the process of citing a woman for saying the word "b*tch" in public

The process is the punishment. THE PROCESS IS THE PUNISHMENT.

Get cited by police for literally anything and if you raise a concern you have a better than 50% chance of hearing them say "Tell it to the judge." And where does that leave you? It leaves you tossed into the criminal justice system where it costs you time and money (which are largely interchangeable) and aggravation. You'll run up against prosecutors who will not give a damn about whether what they are doing is right and will prosecute you anyway because they don't like you. You'll get stuck having to take time off work to deal with whatever they are going to do to you. You might have to hire a lawyer to get things unfarked. You might suffer consequences such as losing a job (if you have to take time off to go to court and they don't like it), losing income (which can put you homeless or get a car repossessed or leave you hungry). It might even get your probation or parole revoked if those agents want to fark with you because "you got cited for something" when you weren't supposed to do that. If you have a child custody case, you can get dirt thrown at you to make it look like you're an unfit parent ("This woman said 'biatch' in public - can she be a fit mother when we know she does things like this?").

All this is done while the police officers get paid OT to show up for court.
 
2021-04-20 3:29:47 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: GardenWeasel: While this sort of petty tyranny may pale in comparison to beatings and shootings, these micro‐assaults on people's freedom are antithetical to liberal democracy and, in the aggregate, corrosive to the rule of law. The message is clear: "I'm a cop. If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."

Huh. They actually DO get it.

A broken clock is right twice a day, i guess.


The views of the CATO institute have absolutely nothing in common with the views of libertarians I encounter at various real life social functions with a few beers in them.
 
2021-04-20 3:37:28 PM  
The only problem I have with this is the option to give officers a bonus just for doing their job and not violating someone's rights.  Make the summary infractions come out of their own pockets.
 
2021-04-20 3:52:45 PM  

GardenWeasel: While this sort of petty tyranny may pale in comparison to beatings and shootings, these micro‐assaults on people's freedom are antithetical to liberal democracy and, in the aggregate, corrosive to the rule of law. The message is clear: "I'm a cop. If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."

Huh. They actually DO get it.


At the bottom of the article the author explains that his proposal would require us all to make a mass-shrugging motion and not worry about all the civil rights infractions they pull and just let them pay a fine for it.

In other words, this guy would like us to have police who can pay a small fee to assault and molest people without further threat of reprisal. Very capitalistic.
 
2021-04-20 4:18:47 PM  

Bandito King: In other words, this guy would like us to have police who can pay a small fee to assault and molest people without further threat of reprisal. Very capitalistic.


Doesn't have to be small.
 
2021-04-21 3:26:55 AM  

GoldSpider: Bandito King: In other words, this guy would like us to have police who can pay a small fee to assault and molest people without further threat of reprisal. Very capitalistic.

Doesn't have to be small.


If someone violates my rights or those of someone I care about, I don't consider wergeld a suitable recompense. Especially if it's not even paid to me.
 
2021-04-21 4:12:38 AM  

Bandito King: If someone violates my rights or those of someone I care about, I don't consider wergeld a suitable recompense. Especially if it's not even paid to me.


I'm pretty sure the whole concept of a small-claims court is that judgments for the plaintiff would be paid to them.
 
2021-04-21 1:04:01 PM  

GoldSpider: Bandito King: If someone violates my rights or those of someone I care about, I don't consider wergeld a suitable recompense. Especially if it's not even paid to me.

I'm pretty sure the whole concept of a small-claims court is that judgments for the plaintiff would be paid to them.


Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was more of a judgment or a fine.
 
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