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2021-04-20 8:59:49 PM  
After exterminating the Metroids on SR388 during the SR-388 incident, Samus Aran brought the infant Metroid to the Ceres Space Colony, likely staying at the colony while scientists studied the young Metroid. The scientists' findings showed that the powers of Metroids could be harnessed for the benefit of mankind. Leaving the baby in their care, Samus left Ceres in search of a new bounty to hunt. However, shortly after leaving, Samus picked up a distress call from Ceres and quickly returned to investigate. As Samus explored the space colony, she discovered the bodies of the scientists lying about the room that had held the Metroid capsule in a tube. The tube itself was broken and empty. Continuing her investigation, Samus soon encountered Ridley once again, finding him clutching the baby's capsule. Samus desperately fought Ridley, but he overpowered her and fled the station carrying the hatchling. At the same time, a Countdown began, leaving Samus a mere 60 seconds to escape before the station's destruction. Samus quickly returned to her gunship and pursued Ridley to the nearby planet Zebes.
Arriving at Zebes, Samus discovered that the Space Pirate base that she had destroyed in her last visit to the planet had been rebuilt during the years in which the events of the Metroid Prime series took place. By this time a portion of Crateria, the surface of Zebes, had integrated with Tourian from Metroid (dubbed "Old Tourian"), including Mother Brain's old control chamber, heavily suggesting that these areas were the remains of the original Space Pirate base. After being ambushed by a group of resurgent Zebesians, Samus set out to locate the infant Metroid and prevent the Space Pirates from gaining use of its powers. As in the previous games, Samus was forced to delve into the planet through its many caverns to hunt down the Space Pirates. This time, however, Samus could only enter Tourian by destroying four bosses: Kraid, the obese lizard who was one of the original guardians of Tourian and whose base makes up a large part of Brinstar; Phantoon, a ghostly entity that controls the Wrecked Ship and reroutes its power supply to Mother Brain; Draygon, a crustacean monster that occupies a submerged Pirate lab in Maridia; and Ridley himself, who controls Norfair from the inside of his own lair.
After defeating all four bosses and discovering the Mochtroids, unsuccessful clones of Metroids, Samus battled her way through Tourian, encountering newly bred Metroid larvae. After destroying everything in her way, she encountered a Metroid far larger than the rest. Before she could attack it, the Giant Metroid drained all but one unit of her Power Suit's energy. However, it seemed to recognize Samus; as this large Metroid was actually the baby.
After the Metroid departed, Samus restored her suit's energy and confronted Mother Brain. After Samus destroyed her Control Capsule and inflicted enough damage, Mother Brain attached itself to a giant mechanical body and the Final Conflict began. During the battle, Mother Brain repeatedly used a Laser Brain Attack on Samus, leaving her near death and unable to stand. Before the final blow could be inflicted, however, the Giant Metroid she found before suddenly attacked Mother Brain, draining its energy until it slumped against the wall, gray and seemingly lifeless. The baby then attached itself to Samus and began feeding the stolen energy to her while carrying her through the air (as depicted in Metroid: Other M's recreation of the battle in its intro). However, Mother Brain soon recovered and began firing upon the baby, weakening it until it lifted off of Samus. A final shot from the Laser Brain Attack (again, as depicted in Other M) destroyed the hatchling, leaving its remains to fall upon Samus.
Pulsating with energy from Mother Brain, Samus now possessed the Hyper Beam. With it, she avenged her fallen "child" and easily destroyed Mother Brain, who fell to the floor and crumbled to dust. This in turn triggered another countdown, giving Samus three minutes to escape through the emergency evacuation shaft of the original base. Along the way, Samus rescued three Etecoons and two Dachoras she had encountered earlier in Brinstar. She made it to her gunship just in time and took off, watching the planet crack and explode in a flash of bright light.
The Space Pirates as an organization were gone, but the universe had lost the possibility of using the Metroids for the good of mankind. Zebes, the home of the Chozo was lost forever, and Samus had fallen into a state of depression over the loss of her baby
 
2021-04-20 8:59:51 PM  
Getting stoned is better than celebrating the Nazi's Birthday.
 
2021-04-20 9:06:40 PM  
Didn't Hoffman do LSD on 4/20?
 
2021-04-20 9:09:09 PM  
I'm pretty sure archaeologists found it written on the walls of King Tut's tomb
 
2021-04-20 9:09:39 PM  
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2021-04-20 9:14:39 PM  

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Among the worst SC decisions ever.
 
2021-04-20 9:17:43 PM  

Porous Horace: Didn't Hoffman do LSD on 4/20?


Not sure, but he did heroin on 2/2/14.
 
2021-04-20 9:21:41 PM  
High school students meeting every day to get high.  After getting high someone asks "What time is it?" 4:20
This happens time and again.  Obviously (to them), something cosmic is happening.  It becomes an inside joke.  One of the students goes to a party - someone lights a joint at 11:00 at night - "Hey, it must be 4:20."  One of his acquaintances laughs knowingly.  Someone lights a joint at 8:00 in the morning - "Hey, is it 4:20 already?"

After awhile 4:20 becomes 4/20. And here we are.
 
2021-04-20 9:23:17 PM  
Jester hofferpot seen present, but strangely absent....
 
2021-04-20 9:28:38 PM  
4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.
 
2021-04-20 9:31:03 PM  

El_Dan: 4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.


Change 4/20 to St.Patrick's day in that sentence.
 
2021-04-20 9:33:23 PM  
They just swiped it from the Dr Pepper Club

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and change the time so's not to look obvious
 
2021-04-20 9:33:28 PM  
Why there isn't a Coffee Day I have no idea.

Celebrate by consuming copious cups and talking nonstop.
 
2021-04-20 9:33:55 PM  

lindalouwho: El_Dan: 4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.

Change 4/20 to St.Patrick's day in that sentence.


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2021-04-20 9:34:50 PM  

Porous Horace: Why there isn't a Coffee Day I have no idea.

Celebrate by consuming copious cups and talking nonstop.


And yakking incessantly about all the kinds and strains of coffee

/ oh whoops
 
2021-04-20 9:41:43 PM  

lindalouwho: El_Dan: 4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.

Change 4/20 to St.Patrick's day in that sentence.


Nonsense, St. Patrick's Day is a way better excuse for drinking.
 
2021-04-20 9:42:45 PM  

Porous Horace: Didn't Hoffman do LSD on 4/20?


That's 4/19, bicycle day.
 
2021-04-20 9:45:51 PM  
There was a small group of stoner kids saying it.

Later there was a flyer at a Greatful Dead concert.

They didn't connect the stoner kids to the flyer in any way.

You don't have to get stoned out of your mind to write a story about 420.
 
2021-04-20 9:47:00 PM  

El_Dan: lindalouwho: El_Dan: 4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.

Change 4/20 to St.Patrick's day in that sentence.

Nonsense, St. Patrick's Day is a way better excuse for drinking.


Not to us who smoke but don't drink.
:-p
 
2021-04-20 9:49:32 PM  
Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.
 
2021-04-20 9:53:32 PM  

salvador.hardin: Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.


Yeah -- no
 
2021-04-20 9:54:49 PM  

salvador.hardin: Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.


There are 5632952306672467 "Real stories, no really!" about how 4/20 started.  They are universally completely unproven and unprovable.  It is a mystery that will endure, because you're asking a bunch of farking stoners to remember shiat from how many years ago properly?  Good luck, Chuck.
 
2021-04-20 9:55:21 PM  
"I had encountered at last one of those curious mirage-plants about which so many of our men told stories. Anderson had warned me of them, and described their appearance very closely - the shaggy stalk, the spiky leaves, and the mottled blossoms whose gaseous, dream-breeding exhalations penetrate every existing make of mask... Although everything was spinning perilously, I tried to start in the right direction and hack my way ahead. My route must have been far from straight, for it seemed hours before I was free of the mirage-plant's pervasive influence. Gradually the dancing lights began to disappear, and the shimmering spectral scenery began to assume the aspect of solidity. When I did get wholly clear, I looked at my watch and was astonished to find the time was only 4:20."

- The Walls of Eryx, by H.P. Lovecraft, 1936
 
2021-04-20 9:56:09 PM  

Be polite walk on the right: salvador.hardin: Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.

Yeah -- no


Yeah-yeah
 
2021-04-20 10:00:09 PM  
4 and 20 blackbirds bakedin a pie.

It's an old proverb, sounds better in the original Arrakeen. May Shai-Hulud cleanse the planetary bong in his passing.
 
2021-04-20 10:01:50 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: salvador.hardin: Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.

There are 5632952306672467 "Real stories, no really!" about how 4/20 started.  They are universally completely unproven and unprovable.  It is a mystery that will endure, because you're asking a bunch of farking stoners to remember shiat from how many years ago properly?  Good luck, Chuck.


Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

High Times published a story about 420 in May 1991.

Flyer from the linked story is the only prior documented reference. It's from Dead concert Dec. 1990.

The Dead crew say it came from a specific guy.

That guy says he and his friends used it in 1971 at the school from the article.

High Times published a story about that guy in 1998.
 
2021-04-20 10:04:26 PM  
Since Godwin is dead and we can immediately can summon up the duly elected, by an entire nation and the lover of the  guy that makes the trucks that gets dicks hard, Hitler! Woo hoo!

Oh. It is his birthday. What are the odds. Better that getting covids or something, hah!

fark you correct pronouns that bring that piece of shiat up in so many threads! Fn lazy.

I now retern you to scheduled programming of the sleeping of America.

It's a good thing that Soviet Doctrine didn't hinge on putting the American giant to sleep because we feel they are our friends. I mean, they told us they are our friends. They are our friends, right?
 
2021-04-20 10:10:54 PM  
The origin of 420 is like religion - it'll never be proven, so just make up whatever makes you feel good.
 
2021-04-20 10:13:53 PM  
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2021-04-20 10:29:38 PM  

El_Dan: lindalouwho: El_Dan: 4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.

Change 4/20 to St.Patrick's day in that sentence.

Nonsense, St. Patrick's Day is a way better excuse for drinking.


St. Patricks is an excuse for kids to puke all over their girlfriends shoes.
 
2021-04-20 10:44:56 PM  
St Pat trick kids into givin him the feels

/whatever that means
//s'aints... hmm
 
2021-04-20 11:05:49 PM  
I knew this, so it's just ok. Not that cool.
 
2021-04-20 11:12:03 PM  
From my memory, it was because a study was published that stated teens were most at risk of smoking marijuana at 4:20 p.m. on a weekday, because the parents are not home yet, and all after school activities were done.
Some teens heard the study, and started smoking specifically at that time to thumb their noses at "the man".  The time and trend spread, and pot became synonymous with 420.
 
2021-04-20 11:21:37 PM  
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2021-04-20 11:44:17 PM  
you know who was born today...\=)
 
2021-04-21 12:04:01 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Since Godwin is dead and we can immediately can summon up the duly elected, by an entire nation and the lover of the  guy that makes the trucks that gets dicks hard, Hitler! Woo hoo!

Oh. It is his birthday. What are the odds. Better that getting covids or something, hah!

fark you correct pronouns that bring that piece of shiat up in so many threads! Fn lazy.

I now retern you to scheduled programming of the sleeping of America.

It's a good thing that Soviet Doctrine didn't hinge on putting the American giant to sleep because we feel they are our friends. I mean, they told us they are our friends. They are our friends, right?


Tequila?
 
2021-04-21 12:47:39 AM  
 
2021-04-21 12:55:13 AM  
It's Barney Gumble's birthday?
 
2021-04-21 1:44:47 AM  
Yeah. It's got nothing to do with the combustion point in degrees Fahrenheit. No.

The waldos were the first people ever to use 420, and they were such an influential and popular group of school children, that within a couple of months, stadium touring rock legends The Grateful Dead had picked up the new coolspeak being uttered by these socialite fashionistas.

Totally.
 
2021-04-21 1:55:11 AM  

Brofar: The origin of 420 is like religion - it'll never be proven, so just make up whatever makes you feel good.


Oh sure, that's what you'd say. HERETIC!
 
2021-04-21 3:10:59 AM  

Porous Horace: Why there isn't a Coffee Day I have no idea.

Celebrate by consuming copious cups and talking nonstop.


International Coffee Day is October 1.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter​n​ational_Coffee_Day
 
2021-04-21 3:11:59 AM  

El_Dan: lindalouwho: El_Dan: 4/20 is about as stupid as a holiday celebrating coffee. Maybe limit it to high schoolers or something.

Change 4/20 to St.Patrick's day in that sentence.

Nonsense, St. Patrick's Day is a way better excuse for drinking.


Because made up holidays are always good excuses...
 
2021-04-21 3:18:30 AM  

salvador.hardin: There was a small group of stoner kids saying it.

Later there was a flyer at a Greatful Dead concert.

They didn't connect the stoner kids to the flyer in any way.

You don't have to get stoned out of your mind to write a story about 420.


Here is the connection, one of the Waldos was on the road crew for the Dead:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(​c​annabis_culture)
 
2021-04-21 9:29:29 AM  

salvador.hardin: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: salvador.hardin: Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.

There are 5632952306672467 "Real stories, no really!" about how 4/20 started.  They are universally completely unproven and unprovable.  It is a mystery that will endure, because you're asking a bunch of farking stoners to remember shiat from how many years ago properly?  Good luck, Chuck.

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

High Times published a story about 420 in May 1991.

Flyer from the linked story is the only prior documented reference. It's from Dead concert Dec. 1990.

The Dead crew say it came from a specific guy.

That guy says he and his friends used it in 1971 at the school from the article.

High Times published a story about that guy in 1998.


Yeah, and that's totally guaranteed to be accurate, and the only people that said such a thing.  No one got it from anyone else and didn't say so, no one was fronting 'cause they wanted to be the one with the story, no one was mistaken 'cause some other guy told them some bullshiat, no one was just too farked up to remember shiat properly, no one was doing the exact same thing coincidentally 3000 miles away but someone's cousin heard it and told... I could be typing for days here.  This debate has been going on since the dawn of weed, what you've found is just the "Well we really can't be sure, so we're all gonna go with this because it at least has a halfass paper trail-ish kinda thing - none of which can be verified of course.  But it's better than, "Shiat who the fark knows really?" story that people have been trying to settle on for about the last 20 years.

/there's no tracking random slang 90% of the time beyond "Probably from approximately this general geographic area in this decade, or so."
//that story is the result of "We can't find anything solid so we're gonna go with this, even though it's as thin as a YMCA bath towel."
///sociology is imprecise shiat, and people want hard answers - so you get stuff like this
 
2021-04-21 11:56:54 AM  

uttertosh: Yeah. It's got nothing to do with the combustion point in degrees Fahrenheit. No.

The waldos were the first people ever to use 420, and they were such an influential and popular group of school children, that within a couple of months, 2 decades later, stadium touring rock legends The Grateful Dead had picked up the new coolspeak being uttered by these socialite fashionistas.

Totally.

 
2021-04-21 12:09:26 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: salvador.hardin: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: salvador.hardin: Quick wiki scan.

One of the stoner kids became a roadie for the Greatful Dead and spread it in that crowd.

There are 5632952306672467 "Real stories, no really!" about how 4/20 started.  They are universally completely unproven and unprovable.  It is a mystery that will endure, because you're asking a bunch of farking stoners to remember shiat from how many years ago properly?  Good luck, Chuck.

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

High Times published a story about 420 in May 1991.

Flyer from the linked story is the only prior documented reference. It's from Dead concert Dec. 1990.

The Dead crew say it came from a specific guy.

That guy says he and his friends used it in 1971 at the school from the article.

High Times published a story about that guy in 1998.

Yeah, and that's totally guaranteed to be accurate, and the only people that said such a thing.  No one got it from anyone else and didn't say so, no one was fronting 'cause they wanted to be the one with the story, no one was mistaken 'cause some other guy told them some bullshiat, no one was just too farked up to remember shiat properly, no one was doing the exact same thing coincidentally 3000 miles away but someone's cousin heard it and told... I could be typing for days here.  This debate has been going on since the dawn of weed, what you've found is just the "Well we really can't be sure, so we're all gonna go with this because it at least has a halfass paper trail-ish kinda thing - none of which can be verified of course.  But it's better than, "Shiat who the fark knows really?" story that people have been trying to settle on for about the last 20 years.

/there's no tracking random slang 90% of the time beyond "Probably from approximately this general geographic area in this decade, or so."
//that story is the result of "We can't find anything solid so we're gonna go with this, even though it's as thin as a YMCA bath towel."
///sociology ...


Half ass paper trails corroborated with testimony is pretty much the foundation of historical research.

You thinking its clever to make jokes about how stoned people can't remember things has no relevance to the reliability of the evidence.

Also, concluding that there can be no answer isn't healthy skepticism, its just willful ignorance. This is just like the people who think that the complexity of the function of an eye is proof that it could not have happened through evolution.
 
2021-04-21 1:40:37 PM  

fatassbastard: StoPPeRmobile: Since Godwin is dead and we can immediately can summon up the duly elected, by an entire nation and the lover of the  guy that makes the trucks that gets dicks hard, Hitler! Woo hoo!

Oh. It is his birthday. What are the odds. Better that getting covids or something, hah!

fark you correct pronouns that bring that piece of shiat up in so many threads! Fn lazy.

I now retern you to scheduled programming of the sleeping of America.

It's a good thing that Soviet Doctrine didn't hinge on putting the American giant to sleep because we feel they are our friends. I mean, they told us they are our friends. They are our friends, right?

Tequila?


Yes please.
 
2021-04-21 2:36:32 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Hitler! [was born]


Benny Hill died on 4/20 too. And now Chauvin will be getting a "colonoscopy" every night because of what happened on 4/20. I have to investigate if the discoverer of LSD did it for the first time on 4/20, now that I saw that in this thread.
 
2021-04-21 5:20:06 PM  
420 because the 4th dimension -- TIME -- quartered itself when paired with life on 3 spatial dimensions

/and religious people were fooled by a bunch of primitives inventing circular logic
///1 2 3
.4 5 6
 
2021-04-21 8:02:43 PM  

salvador.hardin: Also, concluding that there can be no answer isn't healthy skepticism, its just willful ignorance. This is just like the people who think that the complexity of the function of an eye is proof that it could not have happened through evolution.


Historical research and sociological/etymological research, while closely related are different animals.  You are very, very rarely going to be able to pin down slang like this - and this is a lovely example of it.  Check around and you can find seven other just as 'documented' theories as to how it started.  Shiat involving the Coast Guard, someone's cousin Benny, all kinds of stuff.  The only reason people pushed that one as "settled" is because it involves the Dead tangentially in theory at least, so it "sounds right."   Sociological shiat like this generally does end up in "There is no answer we can really determine as to origin beyond X time-ish and place-ish" - it's not willful ignorance it's an acknowledgement of reality.  It almost always has multiple questionable stories, sources, 'verification', and points of origin.  All of them basically unprovable because no one documents it when Joe comes up with a weird new neologism and it starts leaking to other areas through someone's cousin's hairdresser's dog's uncle's cat's vet's son's coke dealer's aunt.  You want hard, provable, factual shiat do NOT dig into slang/cultural artifact origin.  You're just going to give yourself a headache trying to apply that here - anthropology is a soft science.
 
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