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2021-04-20 7:45:24 AM  
I heard somebody on the radio last night say it would take a lot to make the World Cup in Qatar the second worst idea ever in football.
 
2021-04-20 7:51:51 AM  
If UEFA thinks they can have a Champions League without the best teams in football... well... They'll be in the "find out" part real soon.
 
2021-04-20 7:57:46 AM  
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2021-04-20 8:16:13 AM  
Shots fired with those statements. He is just asking them to remove the teams, just dismissing their threats.
 
2021-04-20 8:18:16 AM  

dreaming_i_am: I heard somebody on the radio last night say it would take a lot to make the World Cup in Qatar the second worst idea ever in football.


It may be the fact that Qatar got the World Cup that makes this the worst idea in football: the Qatari government owe FIFA a few favours.  They also own PSG, who were conspicuously and surprisingly absent from the Super League "founding members" list...
 
2021-04-20 8:47:36 AM  
He's not wrong. Otherwise we'd be crowning PSG champions today. No one wants that.
 
2021-04-20 8:49:35 AM  
It is all about the money.
 
2021-04-20 9:07:15 AM  
UEFA and EPL are throwing threats because...that's all they can do.

They're both going to cave because they cannot afford to let these teams leave their leagues and leave the Champions League. The moment TV contracts come due they're going to get hammered with "Why should I pay you this level of money to watch the 15 worst teams in your league or the 16th best team and worse in Europe?"

The reason they are angry about this? Money. The reason it is happening? Money. The reason they will acquiesce and let this happen? Money.

The fact that fans thing they have any way to affect this? Priceless.

\ WE WILL MAKE A BIG SIGN!
\\ NO, WE WON'T MAKE SIGNS!
\\\ WE WILL COMPLAIN ON TWITTER!
 
2021-04-20 9:10:39 AM  
"What does the world demand? We have fans in Singapore, in China, all around the world, you see that on social media, the followers they have. That's what brings in money."

Until an ESL player says a bad word about Tibet or the Uighur situation and the CCP pulls the plug on any TV deal.  Gambling your future on Chinese TV contracts is a very risky idea right now.
 
2021-04-20 9:22:46 AM  

caira: dreaming_i_am: I heard somebody on the radio last night say it would take a lot to make the World Cup in Qatar the second worst idea ever in football.

It may be the fact that Qatar got the World Cup that makes this the worst idea in football: the Qatari government owe FIFA a few favours.  They also own PSG, who were conspicuously and surprisingly absent from the Super League "founding members" list...


The unannounced 3 founding teams are likely from Ligue 1, who weren't part of the initial announcement for various reasons. There likely aren't going to be any Bundesliga teams due to aspects of German law.
 
2021-04-20 9:28:54 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: UEFA and EPL are throwing threats because...that's all they can do.

They're both going to cave because they cannot afford to let these teams leave their leagues and leave the Champions League. The moment TV contracts come due they're going to get hammered with "Why should I pay you this level of money to watch the 15 worst teams in your league or the 16th best team and worse in Europe?"

The reason they are angry about this? Money. The reason it is happening? Money. The reason they will acquiesce and let this happen? Money.

The fact that fans thing they have any way to affect this? Priceless.

\ WE WILL MAKE A BIG SIGN!
\\ NO, WE WON'T MAKE SIGNS!
\\\ WE WILL COMPLAIN ON TWITTER!


absolutely.

it's annoying that it has come to this, but the fact that it did is hardly a surprise. If I own one of ESL clubs and come to conclusion that the UCL is built on the prestige of my involvement, then why hell do I want to fund Leicester or Leipzig by giving them an equal cut?  that's what the domestic league is for.

and I am sure as shiat not happy with cutting UEFA in on the action. Let them manage national team squabbles and scheduling like the other confederations and quit sticking their fingers in my pie.

so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.
 
2021-04-20 9:31:58 AM  
"Today, with the income from the Champions League as it is, we'll die," Perez said, stressing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "Less audience, less money. We'll all die, the big clubs, the medium-size clubs, the small clubs. They say the new Champions League format will come in by 2024, we'll be dead by then."

Real Madrid makes more than 50 million euros from the Champions League, even if they lose every game, on top of ticket sales. If they can't make that work, fark 'em.
On the flip side, this proposal would absolutely murder the hell out of teams which are counting on the couple million they get, with a chance at a bigger payoff if they make the knockout rounds.
 
2021-04-20 9:44:08 AM  

RminusQ: "Today, with the income from the Champions League as it is, we'll die," Perez said, stressing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "Less audience, less money. We'll all die, the big clubs, the medium-size clubs, the small clubs. They say the new Champions League format will come in by 2024, we'll be dead by then."

Real Madrid makes more than 50 million euros from the Champions League, even if they lose every game, on top of ticket sales. If they can't make that work, fark 'em.
On the flip side, this proposal would absolutely murder the hell out of teams which are counting on the couple million they get, with a chance at a bigger payoff if they make the knockout rounds.


The 17th place team in England "earns" more than the winner of the Champions' League due to the TV deal. He's basically admitting La Liga is kaput. And I'm assuming La Liga would be in better shape than Serie A or Ligue 1.
 
2021-04-20 10:18:55 AM  

Trocadero: RminusQ: "Today, with the income from the Champions League as it is, we'll die," Perez said, stressing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "Less audience, less money. We'll all die, the big clubs, the medium-size clubs, the small clubs. They say the new Champions League format will come in by 2024, we'll be dead by then."

Real Madrid makes more than 50 million euros from the Champions League, even if they lose every game, on top of ticket sales. If they can't make that work, fark 'em.
On the flip side, this proposal would absolutely murder the hell out of teams which are counting on the couple million they get, with a chance at a bigger payoff if they make the knockout rounds.

The 17th place team in England "earns" more than the winner of the Champions' League due to the TV deal. He's basically admitting La Liga is kaput. And I'm assuming La Liga would be in better shape than Serie A or Ligue 1.


I thought Ligue 1 everyone was losing boatloads of money except PSG. Like they were to the point in the fall that they had no TV contract
 
2021-04-20 10:32:24 AM  

eagles95: Trocadero: RminusQ: "Today, with the income from the Champions League as it is, we'll die," Perez said, stressing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "Less audience, less money. We'll all die, the big clubs, the medium-size clubs, the small clubs. They say the new Champions League format will come in by 2024, we'll be dead by then."

Real Madrid makes more than 50 million euros from the Champions League, even if they lose every game, on top of ticket sales. If they can't make that work, fark 'em.
On the flip side, this proposal would absolutely murder the hell out of teams which are counting on the couple million they get, with a chance at a bigger payoff if they make the knockout rounds.

The 17th place team in England "earns" more than the winner of the Champions' League due to the TV deal. He's basically admitting La Liga is kaput. And I'm assuming La Liga would be in better shape than Serie A or Ligue 1.

I thought Ligue 1 everyone was losing boatloads of money except PSG. Like they were to the point in the fall that they had no TV contract


It seems all the top teams in all the leagues are somewhere around "lost $250 million last year" but also "posted a bid to pay a $40 million dollar transfer fee and $35 million per season for (mid-talent player).

The owners are hurting themselves and crushing the other teams and their solution is to make things harder for everyone.  There's clearly already a broadcast/streaming service handshake in place for the new league that's willing to pay for those owners' mistakes.
 
2021-04-20 10:43:38 AM  

NewportBarGuy: If UEFA thinks they can have a Champions League without the best teams in football... well... They'll be in the "find out" part real soon.


You assume that football is based on those 12 teams being part of it.
 
2021-04-20 10:44:55 AM  

The Third Man: "What does the world demand? We have fans in Singapore, in China, all around the world, you see that on social media, the followers they have. That's what brings in money."

Until an ESL player says a bad word about Tibet or the Uighur situation and the CCP pulls the plug on any TV deal.  Gambling your future on Chinese TV contracts is a very risky idea right now.


Especially when all of these Chinese billionaires are suddenly pulling the money back from football.
 
2021-04-20 10:49:12 AM  

baorao: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: UEFA and EPL are throwing threats because...that's all they can do.

They're both going to cave because they cannot afford to let these teams leave their leagues and leave the Champions League. The moment TV contracts come due they're going to get hammered with "Why should I pay you this level of money to watch the 15 worst teams in your league or the 16th best team and worse in Europe?"

The reason they are angry about this? Money. The reason it is happening? Money. The reason they will acquiesce and let this happen? Money.

The fact that fans thing they have any way to affect this? Priceless.

\ WE WILL MAKE A BIG SIGN!
\\ NO, WE WON'T MAKE SIGNS!
\\\ WE WILL COMPLAIN ON TWITTER!

absolutely.

it's annoying that it has come to this, but the fact that it did is hardly a surprise. If I own one of ESL clubs and come to conclusion that the UCL is built on the prestige of my involvement, then why hell do I want to fund Leicester or Leipzig by giving them an equal cut?  that's what the domestic league is for.

and I am sure as shiat not happy with cutting UEFA in on the action. Let them manage national team squabbles and scheduling like the other confederations and quit sticking their fingers in my pie.

so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.


No, that's not it.  It's "We don't have enough money to cover for the mistakes we made.  So we need more money to do so."

It's why Barcelona is £1 billion in debt: They keep spending like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse.
 
2021-04-20 10:49:48 AM  

The Third Man: "What does the world demand? We have fans in Singapore, in China, all around the world, you see that on social media, the followers they have. That's what brings in money."

Until an ESL player says a bad word about Tibet or the Uighur situation and the CCP pulls the plug on any TV deal.  Gambling your future on Chinese TV contracts is a very risky idea right now.


Wonder if any players are smart enough to do something like that preemptively.
 
2021-04-20 10:52:59 AM  

RminusQ: "Today, with the income from the Champions League as it is, we'll die," Perez said, stressing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "Less audience, less money. We'll all die, the big clubs, the medium-size clubs, the small clubs. They say the new Champions League format will come in by 2024, we'll be dead by then."

Real Madrid makes more than 50 million euros from the Champions League, even if they lose every game, on top of ticket sales. If they can't make that work, fark 'em.
On the flip side, this proposal would absolutely murder the hell out of teams which are counting on the couple million they get, with a chance at a bigger payoff if they make the knockout rounds.


Yeah I'm calling massive bullshiat here from that scumbag.  It's not football that's dying, it's the fact that Real can't spend the type of money that Man City could to snag the lives of Mbappe and Haaland.

If Real died, no one in football would miss them.  If anything, everyone would celebrate because they can no longer throw money around.
 
2021-04-20 11:30:21 AM  

The Bestest: caira: dreaming_i_am: I heard somebody on the radio last night say it would take a lot to make the World Cup in Qatar the second worst idea ever in football.

It may be the fact that Qatar got the World Cup that makes this the worst idea in football: the Qatari government owe FIFA a few favours.  They also own PSG, who were conspicuously and surprisingly absent from the Super League "founding members" list...

The unannounced 3 founding teams are likely from Ligue 1, who weren't part of the initial announcement for various reasons. There likely aren't going to be any Bundesliga teams due to aspects of German law.


Those aspects of German law are rather important and (A) should be studied by other countries, as it shows that there are ways to keep corporate power under some control*; (B) Can there be a Superleague without Bayern and more importantly without the participation of the second most populous country in Europe?

*but not enough to stop Red Bull Leipzig from becoming a thing
 
2021-04-20 11:46:14 AM  

Rwa2play: RminusQ: "Today, with the income from the Champions League as it is, we'll die," Perez said, stressing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "Less audience, less money. We'll all die, the big clubs, the medium-size clubs, the small clubs. They say the new Champions League format will come in by 2024, we'll be dead by then."

Real Madrid makes more than 50 million euros from the Champions League, even if they lose every game, on top of ticket sales. If they can't make that work, fark 'em.
On the flip side, this proposal would absolutely murder the hell out of teams which are counting on the couple million they get, with a chance at a bigger payoff if they make the knockout rounds.

Yeah I'm calling massive bullshiat here from that scumbag.  It's not football that's dying, it's the fact that Real can't spend the type of money that Man City could to snag the lives of Mbappe and Haaland.

If Real died, no one in football would miss them.  If anything, everyone would celebrate because they can no longer throw money around.


Can we let Lazio die instead?
 
2021-04-20 12:05:10 PM  

Rwa2play: baorao: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: UEFA and EPL are throwing threats because...that's all they can do.

They're both going to cave because they cannot afford to let these teams leave their leagues and leave the Champions League. The moment TV contracts come due they're going to get hammered with "Why should I pay you this level of money to watch the 15 worst teams in your league or the 16th best team and worse in Europe?"

The reason they are angry about this? Money. The reason it is happening? Money. The reason they will acquiesce and let this happen? Money.

The fact that fans thing they have any way to affect this? Priceless.

\ WE WILL MAKE A BIG SIGN!
\\ NO, WE WON'T MAKE SIGNS!
\\\ WE WILL COMPLAIN ON TWITTER!

absolutely.

it's annoying that it has come to this, but the fact that it did is hardly a surprise. If I own one of ESL clubs and come to conclusion that the UCL is built on the prestige of my involvement, then why hell do I want to fund Leicester or Leipzig by giving them an equal cut?  that's what the domestic league is for.

and I am sure as shiat not happy with cutting UEFA in on the action. Let them manage national team squabbles and scheduling like the other confederations and quit sticking their fingers in my pie.

so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.

No, that's not it.  It's "We don't have enough money to cover for the mistakes we made.  So we need more money to do so."

It's why Barcelona is £1 billion in debt: They keep spending like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse.


I get paying Messi is expensive...but Barca's stadium holds over 99,000. You can't raise ticket prices enough to cover this? Even if you just bumped up ticket prices by a few dollars they wouldn't be as royally farked as they are now.
 
2021-04-20 12:17:09 PM  

eagles95: Rwa2play: baorao: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: UEFA and EPL are throwing threats because...that's all they can do.

They're both going to cave because they cannot afford to let these teams leave their leagues and leave the Champions League. The moment TV contracts come due they're going to get hammered with "Why should I pay you this level of money to watch the 15 worst teams in your league or the 16th best team and worse in Europe?"

The reason they are angry about this? Money. The reason it is happening? Money. The reason they will acquiesce and let this happen? Money.

The fact that fans thing they have any way to affect this? Priceless.

\ WE WILL MAKE A BIG SIGN!
\\ NO, WE WON'T MAKE SIGNS!
\\\ WE WILL COMPLAIN ON TWITTER!

absolutely.

it's annoying that it has come to this, but the fact that it did is hardly a surprise. If I own one of ESL clubs and come to conclusion that the UCL is built on the prestige of my involvement, then why hell do I want to fund Leicester or Leipzig by giving them an equal cut?  that's what the domestic league is for.

and I am sure as shiat not happy with cutting UEFA in on the action. Let them manage national team squabbles and scheduling like the other confederations and quit sticking their fingers in my pie.

so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.

No, that's not it.  It's "We don't have enough money to cover for the mistakes we made.  So we need more money to do so."

It's why Barcelona is £1 billion in debt: They keep spending like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse.

I get paying Messi is expensive...but Barca's stadium holds over 99,000. You can't raise ticket prices enough to cover this? Even if you just bumped up ticket prices by a few dollars they wouldn't be as royally farked as they are now.


You're assuming that fans will be allowed back in soon.  No ticket sales this past year hasn't helped.
 
2021-04-20 12:25:09 PM  

baorao: so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.


I'll also just add the obvious point: every single one of these clubs has experienced exponential growth in net worth under the stewardship of these very owners. Instead of being willing to burn this entire motherf*cker to the ground, they could also just sell and cash out, take their nice profits, and go cannibalize something else via venture capitalist skullduggery that DOESN'T have such an outsized cultural importance for the wider regional communities that have supported these clubs for literal generations.
 
2021-04-20 12:27:38 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: eagles95: Rwa2play: baorao: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: UEFA and EPL are throwing threats because...that's all they can do.

They're both going to cave because they cannot afford to let these teams leave their leagues and leave the Champions League. The moment TV contracts come due they're going to get hammered with "Why should I pay you this level of money to watch the 15 worst teams in your league or the 16th best team and worse in Europe?"

The reason they are angry about this? Money. The reason it is happening? Money. The reason they will acquiesce and let this happen? Money.

The fact that fans thing they have any way to affect this? Priceless.

\ WE WILL MAKE A BIG SIGN!
\\ NO, WE WON'T MAKE SIGNS!
\\\ WE WILL COMPLAIN ON TWITTER!

absolutely.

it's annoying that it has come to this, but the fact that it did is hardly a surprise. If I own one of ESL clubs and come to conclusion that the UCL is built on the prestige of my involvement, then why hell do I want to fund Leicester or Leipzig by giving them an equal cut?  that's what the domestic league is for.

and I am sure as shiat not happy with cutting UEFA in on the action. Let them manage national team squabbles and scheduling like the other confederations and quit sticking their fingers in my pie.

so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.

No, that's not it.  It's "We don't have enough money to cover for the mistakes we made.  So we need more money to do so."

It's why Barcelona is £1 billion in debt: They keep spending like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse.

I get paying Messi is expensive...but Barca's stadium holds over 99,000. You can't raise ticket prices enough to cover this? Even if you just bumped up ticket prices by a few dollars they wouldn't be as royally farked as they are now.

You're assuming that fans will be allowed back in soon.  No ticket sales this past year hasn ...


I agree that fans probably in Europe wont be in stadiums before late 21 or spring 22. I guess I'm just doing hindsight in the before times. Why didnt FCB raise ticket prices more? Or raise merch prices. Maybe they couldn't because of their ownership structure but seriously someone had to look at the books and wonder how they would pay for stuff once Messi hangs it up or leaves.
 
2021-04-20 12:42:22 PM  

Killer Cars: baorao: so as ugly as it is, I can understand why some clubs might carry out this threat to the point of forcing a renegotiation of Champions League revenues.

I'll also just add the obvious point: every single one of these clubs has experienced exponential growth in net worth under the stewardship of these very owners. Instead of being willing to burn this entire motherf*cker to the ground, they could also just sell and cash out, take their nice profits, and go cannibalize something else via venture capitalist skullduggery that DOESN'T have such an outsized cultural importance for the wider regional communities that have supported these clubs for literal generations.


Who the hell could afford to buy them out? Billionaires who now have even more incentive to wring even more profit out of the massive capital investment they just made? Maybe the Queen could use her real estate holdings to buy everything, I'm sure that won't be controversial.
 
2021-04-20 12:47:08 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If UEFA thinks they can have a Champions League without the best teams in football... well... They'll be in the "find out" part real soon.


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2021-04-20 1:09:26 PM  

eagles95: I get paying Messi is expensive...but Barca's stadium holds over 99,000. You can't raise ticket prices enough to cover this? Even if you just bumped up ticket prices by a few dollars they wouldn't be as royally farked as they are now.


It isn't Messi; it's everyone they've signed around him that's been the problem.

Frankly Griezmann got signed because he wanted to go to Barcelona and the former president signed off on it, for one example.
 
2021-04-20 1:49:22 PM  
CHELSEA'S PULLING OUT!

Dan Roan
@danroan
BREAKING I understand Chelsea are now preparing documentation to request withdrawing from the ESL

/Sports editor for BBC
 
2021-04-20 2:11:56 PM  
I need a second source because the first one is the Sun, but they're reporting that Man City is also out.
 
2021-04-20 2:22:12 PM  

desertgeek: I need a second source because the first one is the Sun, but they're reporting that Man City is also out.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/​5​6823501 - the Beeb confirms Chelsea is out.
 
2021-04-20 2:29:07 PM  
TalkSport are now saying all 12 clubs are having a meeting with a view to cancelling the whole idea.

Of course this is talkSport who think the best commentary style is to SHOUT random words IN the MIDDLE of sentences.
 
2021-04-20 2:31:29 PM  
Reports out of Spain say Atletico Madrid is also OUT.

UEFA should tell the clubs that they have until Thursday to quit the $uper League or face 10 year bans from UEFA competitions.

/or at least until their current ownership has sold to new owners
 
2021-04-20 2:35:42 PM  
They would've been expecting a backlash, and been prepared to ride out the pr fury with a view to then negotiating later.

But I suspect once you've got prime ministers and presidents sticking their oar in... the feet, they get cold.
 
2021-04-20 2:41:17 PM  
Well, it sounds like UEFA have offered an olive branch in the form of... yep, more money.
 
2021-04-20 2:43:26 PM  
Maybe if you want a Super League of the best teams don't lump in teams who are just also-rans like Arsenal, AC Milan, and Tottenham.

Good lord, imagine being Tottenham, a team that hasn't won their nation's league in 50 years, and thinking you deserve the same privileges and protections as Real Madrid.
 
2021-04-20 2:45:18 PM  
As was pointed out to me today, my club Nottingham Forest have more european cup wins than four of those 6 uk teams combined. Maybe we should've pushed to join.
 
2021-04-20 2:54:18 PM  
And where is Celtic in all this mess?
 
2021-04-20 3:19:03 PM  

NINEv2: And where is Celtic in all this mess?


Probably licking their wounds after Rangers utterly thrashed the Premiership this season
 
2021-04-20 4:17:00 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: NINEv2: And where is Celtic in all this mess?

Probably licking their wounds after Rangers utterly thrashed the Premiership this season


Fine. Old firm.
 
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