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(The Verge)   Sony makes an about-face and decides to keep PS3 and Vita stores open just a little longer for those of you who can't let go of 14-year-old systems   (theverge.com) divider line
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2021-04-19 9:47:42 PM  
Aren't they pretty much the same games with slightly better graphics?
 
2021-04-19 9:57:24 PM  
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2021-04-19 11:08:20 PM  
Yeah, yeah, technology marches on and all, but... I do feel like we abandon a lot of stuff too quick.

I mean, you would expect to be able to find brake pads for a 2005 Corolla, right? Or a replacement thermostat for a 15 year old furnace? Without having to replace the entire thing?
 
2021-04-20 1:29:42 AM  

blastoh: [Fark user image image 425x418]


I learn languages for business and fun. My current language teacher for language x is younger than the retro localized pokemon cart I bought to help with my reading.
 
2021-04-20 1:34:02 AM  

dv-ous: Yeah, yeah, technology marches on and all, but... I do feel like we abandon a lot of stuff too quick.

I mean, you would expect to be able to find brake pads for a 2005 Corolla, right? Or a replacement thermostat for a 15 year old furnace? Without having to replace the entire thing?


For some reason entertainment devices don't quite have the lifespan or durability of like, critical physical shiat like cars and furnace stuff.

I mean gaming consoles also don't cost 5-20k so there's that.
 
2021-04-20 1:41:41 AM  
In Japan it used to be that all they'd have to do is introduce a new COLOR and everybody would throw their old stuff out.
 
2021-04-20 1:46:15 AM  
[distracted, hooking up his Dreamcast to play Seaman]

"I'm sorry, what?"
 
2021-04-20 1:52:33 AM  
The first time I saw a Dreamcast in operation I was standing in a checkout line at GameStop and I thought they had an actual basketball game playing on the TV. That was around 20 years ago. It was impressive.
 
2021-04-20 2:11:11 AM  
Just let me buy a PS5 for the retail price.
 
2021-04-20 2:24:06 AM  

scalpod: [distracted, hooking up his Dreamcast to play Seaman]

"I'm sorry, what?"


I have no idea why the youtube url won't work with dark. So here it is:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AdmaN-Z​T​Rqo

Sega DREAMCAST w/ $800 in Upgrades & Improvements - Did we go too far?
Youtube AdmaN-ZTRqo
 
2021-04-20 2:24:42 AM  

BafflerMeal: scalpod: [distracted, hooking up his Dreamcast to play Seaman]

"I'm sorry, what?"

I have no idea why the youtube url won't work with dark. So here it is:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AdmaN-ZT​Rqo

[YouTube video: Sega DREAMCAST w/ $800 in Upgrades & Improvements - Did we go too far?]


Hunh. Looks like it was only broken in preview mode.
 
2021-04-20 2:34:35 AM  
I still use my PS2.
 
2021-04-20 2:43:28 AM  

blastoh: [Fark user image 425x418]


I was wearing this earlier.

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now i is feel so old
 
2021-04-20 2:44:33 AM  

batlock666: I still use my PS2.


Ps2, ps3, ps4 all side by side here.

Burnout:takedown, SSX Tricky, and Williams pinball boards deserve no less.
 
2021-04-20 3:07:56 AM  

BafflerMeal: batlock666: I still use my PS2.

Ps2, ps3, ps4 all side by side here.

Burnout:takedown, SSX Tricky, and Williams pinball boards deserve no less.


I would pay good money for proper remakes of Takedown and Revenge.

I know the latter is widely considered the best, but there was something about the extra difficulty of not being able to check traffic and the level design of 3 that just made it perfect to me.

The higher framerate and 16:9 support would REALLY help the F1 section at the end too, which was so fast you basically couldn't blink if you wanted any prayer of winning.
 
2021-04-20 4:32:09 AM  

links136: dv-ous: Yeah, yeah, technology marches on and all, but... I do feel like we abandon a lot of stuff too quick.

I mean, you would expect to be able to find brake pads for a 2005 Corolla, right? Or a replacement thermostat for a 15 year old furnace? Without having to replace the entire thing?

For some reason entertainment devices don't quite have the lifespan or durability of like, critical physical shiat like cars and furnace stuff.

I mean gaming consoles also don't cost 5-20k so there's that.


Not so sure about that. I still have a  Technics bookshelf system I bought in 94, a VCR I bought in 2006, my Atari Jaguar from 1993, and an Atari 2600.  Entertainment stuff can work for ages if it's not designed to fail when the manufacturer decides it should.
 
2021-04-20 5:18:26 AM  
I bought a Vita TV bundle when they were under $50. Should have bought 100 of them. I got it just to play all the Disgaea games on one console, except 5, and ended up grabbing all the final fantasy games up to 10-2. It's pretty nice for what it is.
 
2021-04-20 5:20:31 AM  

nyan9mm: I bought a Vita TV bundle when they were under $50. Should have bought 100 of them. I got it just to play all the Disgaea games on one console, except 5, and ended up grabbing all the final fantasy games up to 10-2. It's pretty nice for what it is.


The vitals in good condition have kept a remarkably steady value in Europe and Japan. They is still a steady aftermarket.
 
2021-04-20 7:30:07 AM  

batlock666: I still use my PS2.


Same, my oldest son thinks it's cutting edge.
 
2021-04-20 8:31:54 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: links136: dv-ous: Yeah, yeah, technology marches on and all, but... I do feel like we abandon a lot of stuff too quick.

I mean, you would expect to be able to find brake pads for a 2005 Corolla, right? Or a replacement thermostat for a 15 year old furnace? Without having to replace the entire thing?

For some reason entertainment devices don't quite have the lifespan or durability of like, critical physical shiat like cars and furnace stuff.

I mean gaming consoles also don't cost 5-20k so there's that.

Not so sure about that. I still have a  Technics bookshelf system I bought in 94, a VCR I bought in 2006, my Atari Jaguar from 1993, and an Atari 2600.  Entertainment stuff can work for ages if it's not designed to fail when the manufacturer decides it should.


Exactly. Dust it on occasion & don't spill beer on it, and it should last.
 
2021-04-20 9:21:01 AM  
I don't play a lot of games on my PS3 anymore, but it is still my primary Blu-Ray player for my and Ms. Black's home theater. I'd be pissed if Sony bricked my Blu-Ray player through no fault of my own.
 
2021-04-20 9:29:50 AM  

Serious Black: I don't play a lot of games on my PS3 anymore, but it is still my primary Blu-Ray player for my and Ms. Black's home theater. I'd be pissed if Sony bricked my Blu-Ray player through no fault of my own.


One of the biggest disappointments of the PS5 is that it's a shiatty 4k bluray player.  The PS3 was leagues better than any other player on the market when it came out and they even upgraded it to handle 3d blurays.  I had such high hopes for the PS5, but it's pretty shiatty as a bluray player.  I reconnected my stand alone 4k player =(
 
2021-04-20 10:08:34 AM  

Serious Black: I don't play a lot of games on my PS3 anymore, but it is still my primary Blu-Ray player for my and Ms. Black's home theater. I'd be pissed if Sony bricked my Blu-Ray player through no fault of my own.


I use my ps3 to play CDs (PS4 won't play them), PS4 to play Blu-Ray.  But I look at all of the media, games too, as art.  I still play and love music from every decade since the 60's and before, old TV shows, new ones, same thing.  I don't get tired of the good stuff.
 
2021-04-20 11:04:24 AM  
Crap, I still have my iPhone 3. I only bought a newer one because the 3 couldn't connect to WiFi at work anymore due to modern encryption
 
2021-04-20 11:08:52 AM  
How much could it possibly cost them to keep some download/update servers up for these systems?

We are talking about maybe a few tens of thousands of dollars for a metric ton of good will for customers and a good reputation for possible future customers.

It would be stupid to shut them down when you look at the actual financial costs vs reputation gained/lost.
 
2021-04-20 11:42:31 AM  

Wesdog: How much could it possibly cost them to keep some download/update servers up for these systems?

We are talking about maybe a few tens of thousands of dollars for a metric ton of good will for customers and a good reputation for possible future customers.

It would be stupid to shut them down when you look at the actual financial costs vs reputation gained/lost.


There will inevitably come a point when not enough people are playing to justify the cost. It's apparently not this summer, but it will happen eventually to, say, 5k active users out of millions.
 
2021-04-20 12:06:33 PM  
It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.
 
2021-04-20 12:36:59 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.


A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.
 
2021-04-20 12:50:42 PM  

Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.


My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.
 
2021-04-20 1:01:08 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.


If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.
 
2021-04-20 1:16:18 PM  

debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.


Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.
 
2021-04-20 1:27:43 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.


Yes, it needs access to the Playstation Network, not the PS3 store ( That's my understanding of the CMOS battery issue anyway).  Are they blocking the PSP/Vita/PS3 from accessing the PSN?  I mean sure, once Sony shuts down the servers for the actual PSN, you'll run into this problem, but it's not something that I imagine will be happening any time soon.  S your statement of "My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3." is false, since the PS3 works and will continue to work for the forseeable future.
 
2021-04-20 1:29:33 PM  

debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.

Yes, it needs access to the Playstation Network, not the PS3 store ( That's my understanding of the CMOS battery issue anyway).  Are they blocking the PSP/Vita/PS3 from accessing the PSN?  I mean sure, once Sony shuts down the servers for the actual PSN, you'll run into this problem, but it's not something that I imagine will be happening any time soon.  S your statement of "My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3." is false, since the PS3 works and will continue to work for the forseeable future.


If it doesn't, or if I can't access games I purchased digitally or their content, despite paying for PS+, is it okay by you if I'm disappointed?
 
2021-04-20 1:32:19 PM  

debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.

Yes, it needs access to the Playstation Network, not the PS3 store ( That's my understanding of the CMOS battery issue anyway).  Are they blocking the PSP/Vita/PS3 from accessing the PSN?  I mean sure, once Sony shuts down the servers for the actual PSN, you'll run into this problem, but it's not something that I imagine will be happening any time soon.  S your statement of "My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3." is false, since the PS3 works and will continue to work for the forseeable future.


Oh and I don't think the CMOS battery issue affects PS3's physical games.  PS4 is a different story though.
 
2021-04-20 1:34:38 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.

Yes, it needs access to the Playstation Network, not the PS3 store ( That's my understanding of the CMOS battery issue anyway).  Are they blocking the PSP/Vita/PS3 from accessing the PSN?  I mean sure, once Sony shuts down the servers for the actual PSN, you'll run into this problem, but it's not something that I imagine will be happening any time soon.  S your statement of "My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3." is false, since the PS3 works and will continue to work for the forseeable future.

If it doesn't, or if I can't access games I purchased digitally or their co ...


Well, considering I agreed with you that it sucks for the consumer, what do you think?  I'm not sure why you're concerned if it's okay with me for you to be disappointed though.  That's kind of weird.
 
2021-04-20 1:40:56 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.


You're conflating the PS4 CMOS issue, and the PS3 emulators already show you can circumvent that issue.
 
2021-04-20 1:42:11 PM  

debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.

Yes, it needs access to the Playstation Network, not the PS3 store ( That's my understanding of the CMOS battery issue anyway).  Are they blocking the PSP/Vita/PS3 from accessing the PSN?  I mean sure, once Sony shuts down the servers for the actual PSN, you'll run into this problem, but it's not something that I imagine will be happening any time soon.  S your statement of "My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3." is false, since the PS3 works and will continue to work for the forseeable future.

If it doesn't, or if I can't access games I purchased digitally or their co ...

Well, considering I agreed with you that it sucks for the consumer, what do you think?  I'm not sure why you're concerned if it's okay with me for you to be disappointed though.  That's kind of weird.


You're the one worried about my disappointment in it, unless you were just wanting to be pedantic about the 2600 reference, which of course Atari that existed then doesn't exist anymore so I couldn't expect them to continue to host an online store if it had existed. Unlike Sony, which is still around and charges a subscription fee for their continued online services.

And yeah other won't affect PS3 physical titles just any downloaded titles. Though Sony could patch the clock issue out today if they wanted
 
2021-04-20 1:51:33 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Not really, my PS3 also has a clock battery in it that when it dies if I replace it requires access to the servers to reset, rendering all my physical games obsolete. So at some point, no servers, no PS3.

Yes, it needs access to the Playstation Network, not the PS3 store ( That's my understanding of the CMOS battery issue anyway).  Are they blocking the PSP/Vita/PS3 from accessing the PSN?  I mean sure, once Sony shuts down the servers for the actual PSN, you'll run into this problem, but it's not something that I imagine will be happening any time soon.  S your statement of "My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3." is false, since the PS3 works and will continue to work for the forseeable future.

If it doesn't, or if I can't access games I purchas ...


I really don't care if you're disappointed or not, honestly.  I do think it sucks for the consumer though.  I'm just pointing out that you're comparing two different things and that the problem you are worrying about is not nearly as bad as you seem to believe it is.  Yes, someday the PSN will be shut down.  You don't need to subscribe to PS+ to connect to the PSN and have your battery / clock update.  Not sure why you keep mentioning PS+  Neve rmind that the PS3 has NEVER required a subscription to access online features.  That began with the PS4.  I'm starting to doubt that you even own a PS3.  You don't seem to know much about how it actually works.
 
2021-04-20 2:03:17 PM  

debug: Neve rmind that the PS3 has NEVER required a subscription to access online features.  That began with the PS4.


And when did I claim that it did? I pay for PS+ nowand it seems like poor customer service to shut down servers and access to storefronts for recent products your customers have put money in. It's not like there's a lot of overhead to keep it running, and they currently are charging people a subscription fee for network services that they they weren't before so it makes less sense to shut it down. It sucks when Nintendo does it, it sucks when any of them do it.

Oh no, you may not believe I actually own a PS3 (;﹏;)

I'm glad that the problem I'm worried about isn't as bad as I seem to believe it is. It's still a problem, and it still sucks, glad we can agree on that.
 
2021-04-20 3:12:07 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.


On the flip side, there are lot of Atari 2600 games like ET that would have benefited from a post-launch software update. That also sucked for consumers.
 
2021-04-20 3:39:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

On the flip side, there are lot of Atari 2600 games like ET that would have benefited from a post-launch software update. That also sucked for consumers.


Well yeah, but that technology wasn't present yet while keeping the store open isn't a technical limitation on Sony's side.

Though yeah, Atari made a lot of decisions that weren't great for customers overall and almost crashed the industry at the time.

Some games were never released physically for the PS3 (like Yakuza 5 for the US release, though it has been re-released physically for the PS4) so it's a shame that some games will just be gone. It's absolutely their decision to make and that's the risk with digital licensing, but it sucks.
 
2021-04-20 3:57:55 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: debug: Neve rmind that the PS3 has NEVER required a subscription to access online features.  That began with the PS4.

And when did I claim that it did? I pay for PS+ nowand it seems like poor customer service to shut down servers and access to storefronts for recent products your customers have put money in. It's not like there's a lot of overhead to keep it running, and they currently are charging people a subscription fee for network services that they they weren't before so it makes less sense to shut it down. It sucks when Nintendo does it, it sucks when any of them do it.

Oh no, you may not believe I actually own a PS3 (;﹏;)

I'm glad that the problem I'm worried about isn't as bad as I seem to believe it is. It's still a problem, and it still sucks, glad we can agree on that.


Well, we're talking about the PS3 so one would assume when you said this the following that you were talking about the PS3...  "Unlike Sony, which is still around and charges a subscription fee for their continued online services."

But yes, we agree that it sucks for the consumer. It's just not as large an issue as people want to make it out to be.
 
2021-04-20 5:46:40 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Mad_Radhu: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

On the flip side, there are lot of Atari 2600 games like ET that would have benefited from a post-launch software update. That also sucked for consumers.

Well yeah, but that technology wasn't present yet while keeping the store open isn't a technical limitation on Sony's side.

Though yeah, Atari made a lot of decisions that weren't great for customers overall and almost crashed the industry at the time.

Some games were never released physically for the PS3 (like Yakuza 5 for the US release, though it has been re-released physically for the PS4) so it's a shame that some games will just be gone. It's absolutely their decision to make and that's the risk with digital licensing, but it sucks.


They still have to actually pull the plug. They were planning on disabling new purchases, but they had no announced plans to shut down the ability to re-download or update your games any time in the foreseeable future.
 
2021-04-20 7:19:33 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Lumbar Puncture: Mad_Radhu: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

On the flip side, there are lot of Atari 2600 games like ET that would have benefited from a post-launch software update. That also sucked for consumers.

Well yeah, but that technology wasn't present yet while keeping the store open isn't a technical limitation on Sony's side.

Though yeah, Atari made a lot of decisions that weren't great for customers overall and almost crashed the industry at the time.

Some games were never released physically for the PS3 (like Yakuza 5 for the US release, though it has been re-released physically for the PS4) so it's a shame that some games will just be gone. It's absolutely their decision to make and that's the risk with digital licensing, but it sucks.

They still have to actually pull the plug. They were planning on disabling new purchases, but they had no announced plans to shut down the ability to re-download or update your games any time in the foreseeable future.


Yeah, and there's dozens of games that become instantly unavailable unless you've already purchased them.

I knew some folks who in preparation for this bought several of them just because before the about face it would've been the only way to make sure they would be possibly playable later.

Like I kinda want a Vita for completionist sake and heard it was a good system, and once the store is gone so to go some games unless I get them now.

I guess on the plus side when they do pull the plug Vitas might get cheaper on secondary markets.
 
2021-04-20 7:20:40 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Mad_Radhu: Lumbar Puncture: Mad_Radhu: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

On the flip side, there are lot of Atari 2600 games like ET that would have benefited from a post-launch software update. That also sucked for consumers.

Well yeah, but that technology wasn't present yet while keeping the store open isn't a technical limitation on Sony's side.

Though yeah, Atari made a lot of decisions that weren't great for customers overall and almost crashed the industry at the time.

Some games were never released physically for the PS3 (like Yakuza 5 for the US release, though it has been re-released physically for the PS4) so it's a shame that some games will just be gone. It's absolutely their decision to make and that's the risk with digital licensing, but it sucks.

They still have to actually pull the plug. They were planning on disabling new purchases, but they had no announced plans to shut down the ability to re-download or update your games any time in the foreseeable future.

Yeah, and there's dozens of games that become instantly unavailable unless you've already purchased them.

I knew some folks who in preparation for this bought several of them just because before the about face it would've been the only way to make sure they would be possibly playable later.

Like I kinda want a Vita for completionist sake and heard it was a good system, and once the store is gone so to go some games unless I get them now.

I guess on the plus side when they do pull the plug Vitas might get cheaper on secondary markets.


I should say get them before they close the store instead of now
 
2021-04-21 9:44:56 AM  

debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.


Maybe, maybe they should design the games and the system not to need to check in with the store?
 
2021-04-21 10:19:37 AM  

Fano: debug: Lumbar Puncture: Malenfant: Lumbar Puncture: It's less that people can't let go of their older systems and more that having functionality cut off of something you invested into by the company sucks regardless.

A game console is not an investment, and should not be expected to last forever. If you're not paying them to keep the servers up you should not expect a service to stay up.

My Atari 2600 still works, so it's a little weird to expect far less of my PS3. And I am paying them for PS+ so maybe they should use some of that subscription money to keep the servers available? It's not like it's a ton of overhead to keep the stores available.

I also get that it's their store and they can shut it down at any time, for any reason.

Doesn't mean it doesn't suck for the consumer.

If your 2600 had online support and an online store, do you really believe that Atari would still be supporting that infrastructure?  I agree that it sucks for the consumer, but your comparison is kind of silly.  I mean the PS3 and PSP both still work without the store, so you're not expecting far less of the PS3, you're actually expecting more from it.

Maybe, maybe they should design the games and the system not to need to check in with the store?


It doesn't check with the store.  Taking the store offline doesn't effect your ability to play games that you already purchased and downloaded.  It checks with the network to sync the clock.  Sony isn't taking the PSN down any time soon.  Having said that, I agree, games shouldn't need an online connection to be played.
 
2021-04-21 10:34:48 AM  
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Yeah, and there's dozens of games that become instantly unavailable unless you've already purchased them.

You've had well over a decade to buy any ps3 game you want.  It's not like producers of other products manufacture and sell them in perpetuity.

They are shutting down the stores because their metrics obviously show few people actually use it anymore.
 
2021-04-21 11:37:15 AM  

lilplatinum: Lumbar Puncture
Yeah, and there's dozens of games that become instantly unavailable unless you've already purchased them.

You've had well over a decade to buy any ps3 game you want.  It's not like producers of other products manufacture and sell them in perpetuity.

They are shutting down the stores because their metrics obviously show few people actually use it anymore.


Okay apparent Sony shareholder. I literally said multiple times Sony has every right to make their own determination for their store, I just think it's a shiat move. The PS Vita isn't even a decade old and is one of the store fronts with a lot of titles you can only buy digitally as they didn't get a Western physical release.

There's no consumer benefit for shutting it down. If Steam decided tomorrow that not enough people were buying ten year old games so would stop listing them for sale that'd be their choice based on rational business decisions and also would suck.

I'm not arguing that they need to provide them in perpetuity or what their metrics show, but thank you for that information.
 
2021-04-21 12:13:23 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: The PS Vita isn't even a decade old and is one of the store fronts with a lot of titles you can only buy digitally as they didn't get a Western physical release.


The 12 people in the west who bought Vitas will be heartbroken.
 
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