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2021-04-19 6:40:46 PM  
Original Tweet:

 
2021-04-19 7:09:58 PM  

Original: Original Tweet:

ebottcher: Whoa. https://t.co/QVLhUPFDq4


And inverse average IQ.
 
2021-04-19 7:28:05 PM  
Nothing better than no context
 
2021-04-19 7:41:26 PM  
Now do L.A. county.
 
2021-04-19 8:22:07 PM  
Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.
 
2021-04-19 8:25:30 PM  

lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.


Theres a constitutional method to split off new states from old. There is no constitutional method for merging states.
 
2021-04-19 9:17:48 PM  
 Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.
 
2021-04-19 9:32:22 PM  

dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.


Wyoming has less than 600,000 people. California has nearly 40 million. Another way to look at it is that Wyoming has one Senator for every 300,000 people and California has one Senator for every 20,000,000 people.
 
2021-04-19 9:37:51 PM  

blender61: Now do L.A. county.


They have over at this non-Twitter source

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/maps​-​extremes-us-population-density/
 
2021-04-19 10:22:16 PM  
Well, duh. How else do you think Republicans will continue to enforce minority rule?
 
2021-04-19 11:48:36 PM  

lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.


I'd like to thank you for not proposing South Dakota merge with Iowa or Nebraska.
 
2021-04-19 11:50:08 PM  

edmo: blender61: Now do L.A. county.

They have over at this non-Twitter source

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/maps-​extremes-us-population-density/


This is an excellent visual aid to show why the House needs to increase the number of Reps and reapportion based on population. The primary reason why the number is capped at 435 is because rural areas didn't want to cede any power to urban areas. Sound familiar? The problem is that, by design, the Senate is the chamber that is supposed to address that particular imbalance of power.

So, rural areas have managed to screw the country over since the 1920s and people either don't know or don't care.
 
2021-04-19 11:51:31 PM  
It looks like New York shot Canada and the blood's soaked into America.
 
2021-04-19 11:53:49 PM  

lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.


And give Alaska to Canada.
 
2021-04-19 11:54:15 PM  

Gordon Bennett: dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.

Wyoming has less than 600,000 people. California has nearly 40 million. Another way to look at it is that Wyoming has one Senator for every 300,000 people and California has one Senator for every 20,000,000 people.


Yes, that would be right, because the Senate wasn't designed to be proportional to population. It was to give equal representation to each of the states and is why we have a bicameral legislature and not a unicameral legislature like - for example - Nebraska.

I believe you are confusing the proportional representation of the House with the equal representation of the Senate.
 
2021-04-19 11:56:38 PM  
Any solution is going to require that the minority states voluntarily give up their congressional power, unless people in NYC and California plan on emigrating to said red states and flipping them blue. But they like their comfortable lives too much to do that.
 
2021-04-19 11:57:36 PM  
All of the above, plus, these visualizations seem to be cherry picking the areas of least density in order to cover the most area with the populations in question.  Visually striking but a tiny bit disingenuous.  Not to say that that concept of senate representation has it's flaws, but don't play parlor tricks with data.
 
2021-04-19 11:57:41 PM  
Now do federal taxes paid.

I recall showing some Illinois down-staters the actual numbers when they were biatchin' about "our money" subsidizing Chicago. 90% percent of the tax revenue comes from the Chicago area.
 
2021-04-19 11:57:45 PM  
So that's a map that proves that some areas are populated and some are not.

That's all I get from this, and reminding me that I have a friend in Wyoming and I'd love to visit.
 
2021-04-19 11:58:25 PM  

lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.


Would sorta turn the term 'United States of America' into a bit of a misnomer.

//Then again, one could argue that it already is a misnomer
/But Divided States of America (DSA) doesn't really have the same ring
 
2021-04-19 11:59:16 PM  

asymptonic: senate representation has it's flaws

doesn't have it's flaws

, just like I don't have all the whiskey in my veins atm.
 
2021-04-20 12:00:08 AM  

Wanderlusting: Gordon Bennett: dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.

Wyoming has less than 600,000 people. California has nearly 40 million. Another way to look at it is that Wyoming has one Senator for every 300,000 people and California has one Senator for every 20,000,000 people.

Yes, that would be right, because the Senate wasn't designed to be proportional to population. It was to give equal representation to each of the states and is why we have a bicameral legislature and not a unicameral legislature like - for example - Nebraska.

I believe you are confusing the proportional representation of the House with the equal representation of the Senate.


And what we're saying is that the current makeup of the Senate is, and always was, a stupid goddamn idea, and has led to our current cycle of stagnation and regression.
 
2021-04-20 12:00:50 AM  
Give a third Senator to states with higher than X population.

Easy peasy.

Except for the part where the low pop states refuse to cede the power their over-representation gives them, of course.

That's the tricky part.
 
2021-04-20 12:01:14 AM  
And?

The system is set up for 50 sovereign states to run themselves.

The president isn't supposed to have enough power to actually matter - blame that on Congress shedding their responsibilities to the executive the last 100 years
 
2021-04-20 12:01:50 AM  

Wanderlusting: Gordon Bennett: dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.

Wyoming has less than 600,000 people. California has nearly 40 million. Another way to look at it is that Wyoming has one Senator for every 300,000 people and California has one Senator for every 20,000,000 people.

Yes, that would be right, because the Senate wasn't designed to be proportional to population. It was to give equal representation to each of the states and is why we have a bicameral legislature and not a unicameral legislature like - for example - Nebraska.

I believe you are confusing the proportional representation of the House with the equal representation of the Senate.


Everyone knows how it works, but the notion is stupid. Reminiscent of the rotten boroughs of the United Kingdom, just an outright mess that will destroy a country. We badly need reform.
 
2021-04-20 12:01:57 AM  

Weatherkiss: Any solution is going to require that the minority states voluntarily give up their congressional power, unless people in NYC and California plan on emigrating to said red states and flipping them blue. But they like their comfortable lives too much to do that.


I like how you frame achieving your goals and being happy as a moral failure.
 
2021-04-20 12:02:02 AM  

LordJiro: Wanderlusting: Gordon Bennett: dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.

Wyoming has less than 600,000 people. California has nearly 40 million. Another way to look at it is that Wyoming has one Senator for every 300,000 people and California has one Senator for every 20,000,000 people.

Yes, that would be right, because the Senate wasn't designed to be proportional to population. It was to give equal representation to each of the states and is why we have a bicameral legislature and not a unicameral legislature like - for example - Nebraska.

I believe you are confusing the proportional representation of the House with the equal representation of the Senate.

And what we're saying is that the current makeup of the Senate is, and always was, a stupid goddamn idea, and has led to our current cycle of stagnation and regression.


Nah, it was a good idea made by people who couldn't possibly foresee a density difference of this magnitude in the United States.  That and trying to prevent the power of the populace ever usurping the landowners.  A little of column A, a bit of column B...
 
2021-04-20 12:02:50 AM  

asymptonic: All of the above, plus, these visualizations seem to be cherry picking the areas of least density in order to cover the most area with the populations in question.  Visually striking but a tiny bit disingenuous.  Not to say that that concept of senate representation has it's flaws, but don't play parlor tricks with data.


Do you feel smart for noticing the point?
 
2021-04-20 12:04:08 AM  

Brosephus: edmo: blender61: Now do L.A. county.

They have over at this non-Twitter source

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/maps-​extremes-us-population-density/

This is an excellent visual aid to show why the House needs to increase the number of Reps and reapportion based on population. The primary reason why the number is capped at 435 is because rural areas didn't want to cede any power to urban areas. Sound familiar? The problem is that, by design, the Senate is the chamber that is supposed to address that particular imbalance of power.

So, rural areas have managed to screw the country over since the 1920s and people either don't know or don't care.


And this is a law Congress can pass. Reapportionment of the House is their responsibility.
 
2021-04-20 12:04:17 AM  

LurkerSupreme: lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.

Would sorta turn the term 'United States of America' into a bit of a misnomer.

//Then again, one could argue that it already is a misnomer
/But Divided States of America (DSA) doesn't really have the same ring


America has changed flag 27 times since 1776. One more time wont change much.
 
2021-04-20 12:04:39 AM  
It just means Covid has its work cut out for it.
 
2021-04-20 12:04:53 AM  

jaytkay: Now do federal taxes paid.

I recall showing some Illinois down-staters the actual numbers when they were biatchin' about "our money" subsidizing Chicago. 90% percent of the tax revenue comes from the Chicago area.


Yeah that's pretty much endemic.  They did it in NY when I lived there, and they do it here in OR too.
 
2021-04-20 12:05:34 AM  
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2021-04-20 12:07:39 AM  

dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.


Yeah, it has fewer people then any other state.  Montana is fourth lowest and the center of that red space.  The only state that does not border a state with a professional sports franchise.  Come visit please.
 
2021-04-20 12:09:41 AM  
Here's another good one:

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2021-04-20 12:09:54 AM  

lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.


Oh sure, Kansas and Missouri get stuck with lousy-ass Nebraska and Iowa, but Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico don't have to merge?? I call shenanigans
 
2021-04-20 12:10:07 AM  

dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.


It's not going to change. The House is based on population, not the Senate. It balances out. Jesus, if you based the Senate on population, there's no reason for the House to exist, and you end up with a total cluster fark...
 
2021-04-20 12:12:48 AM  
I get it! Some places have way more people than other places!

(Grew up in the red area and moved away. Seems like I wasn't the only one)
 
2021-04-20 12:15:04 AM  

aleister_greynight: lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.

And give Alaska to Canada.


You're not considering the security danger that occurs when Canada adopts a Communist form of government, which it is obviously on a fast track to do.
 
2021-04-20 12:15:52 AM  

asymptonic: All of the above, plus, these visualizations seem to be cherry picking the areas of least density in order to cover the most area with the populations in question.  Visually striking but a tiny bit disingenuous.  Not to say that that concept of senate representation has it's flaws, but don't play parlor tricks with data.


How about this?

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I don't know about you, but it kinda puckers my o-ring.

Also, there was a bill signed in Idaho the other day. Which forces any group wanting to add initiatives or referendums to a ballot to acquire 6% of every counties population in order for it to be added. It used to be 18 counties now it's all 35.
Expect other "Red" states to follow suit.
 
2021-04-20 12:16:21 AM  

Weatherkiss: Any solution is going to require that the minority states voluntarily give up their congressional power, unless people in NYC and California plan on emigrating to said red states and flipping them blue. But they like their comfortable lives too much to do that.


One of the largest mass migrations in the modern era was caused by the partition of British India into India and Pakistan. Around 15 million people (estimates vary) were forced to migrate and up to 2 million people (estimates vary) were killed.

Migrating a hundred million Americans to bring the US population into line with the population distribution that the US constitution was intended to represent would make the India-Pakistan partition a minor footnote in the history of population transfers.

The level of violence would almost certainly be comparable and the end results may not even be effective in the face of conservatives simply refusing to accept democratic losses.

The purpose of a representative governing system is to benefit the people it represents, and to be shaped by their realities rather than the reverse. Expecting a hundred million people to migrate to gain their democratic rights without violating the sanctity of a 230 year old piece of paper is the upmost manifestation of conservatism as the tyranny of the dead over the living.
 
2021-04-20 12:16:30 AM  

dickfreckle: Yeah subby, I've completely reversed my opinion on the whole two senator thing. I might be pulling numbers out of my butt but doesn't Wyoming have like 900k people? While California has over 30 million? This is one of the things I'd like to see America change. But yeah, good luck with that.


There are more Californians than Canadians.
 
2021-04-20 12:16:47 AM  

Original: Original Tweet:

ebottcher: Whoa. https://t.co/QVLhUPFDq4


The kicker is that 25% of the population  of the red shaded area is in the Salt Lake City-Ogden-Provo corridor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_​L​ake_City_metropolitan_area#Combined_St​atistical_Area

The red shaded area would have been even larger without including that corridor. Further underlining the original point.
 
2021-04-20 12:16:48 AM  

Weatherkiss: Any solution is going to require that the minority states voluntarily give up their congressional power, unless people in NYC and California plan on emigrating to said red states and flipping them blue. But they like their comfortable lives too much to do that.


For some it's a health risk.
 
2021-04-20 12:17:27 AM  

Dafatone: lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.

I'd like to thank you for not proposing South Dakota merge with Iowa or Nebraska.


As an Omaha resident, I thank you as well.
 
2021-04-20 12:21:16 AM  

Weatherkiss: Any solution is going to require that the minority states voluntarily give up their congressional power, unless people in NYC and California plan on emigrating to said red states and flipping them blue. But they like their comfortable lives too much to do that.


Speaking only for myself, if I could even afford to move out of state at this point, I'd have to completely reinvent myself as there aren't exactly a lot of jobs relevant to my experience and career path in said red states, which would also pull me away from my aging parents. My bad, America.
 
2021-04-20 12:21:19 AM  
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2021-04-20 12:21:26 AM  

blender61: Now do L.A. county.


They did, but they made the mistake of including the Front Range of Colorado into it.

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2021-04-20 12:22:25 AM  

Mikey1969: It's not going to change. The House is based on population, not the Senate. It balances out. Jesus, if you based the Senate on population, there's no reason for the House to exist


"Balances" what? What reason is there for the Senate to exist now?
 
2021-04-20 12:22:46 AM  

GoodDoctorB: lolmao500: Merge the dakotas, Montana and Wyoming together.

Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri together.

Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virgina together.

Divide Texas and California in 2.

Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

Would be a good start.

Oh sure, Kansas and Missouri get stuck with lousy-ass Nebraska and Iowa, but Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico don't have to merge?? I call shenanigans


Well merge em too.
 
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