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(CBC)   Canadian government announces plans to keep your little brat attended to while you go to the office and hang out with adults and have adult conversations and drink and smoke and do lunch and generally enjoy life   (cbc.ca) divider line
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2021-04-20 12:20:18 AM  
I'm told children are their own reward. Were those people lying?
 
2021-04-20 12:21:12 AM  
And how much would we have to shave from the military budget to have that here?
 
2021-04-20 12:32:38 AM  
I hate children I like to make them cry
 
2021-04-20 12:33:02 AM  

aleister_greynight: And how much would we have to shave from the military budget to have that here?


Probably about 2 F-35s.

Having other people care for your offspring for some portion of their lives is part of our social contract and has been since frontier times ended. Few parents expect that they will have to do all of it. Having one person care for multiple family's children also represents a huge increase in productivity and especially helps women. Not sure what's wrong with that.
 
2021-04-20 12:36:51 AM  

Intone: I'm told children are their own reward. Were those people lying?


Yes.  The only good thing about having kids is that they help you enjoy the small things in life, like all those times when you are alone without your kids.

For a similar experience, place your hand on a hot stove.  Now place your hand in some cold water.  Wow, doesn't that cold water feel nice?  You never would have appreciated how nice cold water feels if you hadn't put your hand on the stove first.
 
2021-04-20 12:40:54 AM  
One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.
 
2021-04-20 12:41:09 AM  
Oh thank goodness. This will help so many families.
 
2021-04-20 12:47:30 AM  

Intone: I'm told children are their own reward. Were those people lying?


Other people's children are better though.  That way you can get all the benefits, and still give them back at the end of the day.
 
2021-04-20 12:47:39 AM  
$300 a month guarantees this will not be available to anyone on less than $20 an hour fill time work.

It's shiatty. That is not what any Canadian meant when they voted for federal daycare. AND what is even worse, the previous study that was done that said for every $1 invested in daycare teh eocnomy would make $3 back? That was fully paid for by the government.

This plan is the Conservative Party eating our lunch. It's crap.
 
2021-04-20 12:54:46 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: $300 a month guarantees this will not be available to anyone on less than $20 an hour fill time work.

It's shiatty. That is not what any Canadian meant when they voted for federal daycare. AND what is even worse, the previous study that was done that said for every $1 invested in daycare teh eocnomy would make $3 back? That was fully paid for by the government.

This plan is the Conservative Party eating our lunch. It's crap.


Yet here in the USA we don't even have a shot at improving to the level that you consider "crap" on this and many other issues.
 
2021-04-20 1:04:38 AM  
Commonly known as duct tape. Adheres to kids and walls.
 
2021-04-20 1:10:05 AM  

sparkeyjames: Commonly known as duct tape. Adheres to kids and walls.


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"There are worse ways to get time away from the kid, trust me."
 
2021-04-20 1:12:15 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: $300 a month guarantees this will not be available to anyone on less than $20 an hour fill time work.

It's shiatty. That is not what any Canadian meant when they voted for federal daycare. AND what is even worse, the previous study that was done that said for every $1 invested in daycare teh eocnomy would make $3 back? That was fully paid for by the government.

This plan is the Conservative Party eating our lunch. It's crap.


We don't all make 20$/hour working as essential workers.  If we did we would dust it up a bit more.
 
2021-04-20 1:24:38 AM  

RogermcAllen: Intone: I'm told children are their own reward. Were those people lying?

Yes.  The only good thing about having kids is that they help you enjoy the small things in life, like all those times when you are alone without your kids.

For a similar experience, place your hand on a hot stove.  Now place your hand in some cold water.  Wow, doesn't that cold water feel nice?  You never would have appreciated how nice cold water feels if you hadn't put your hand on the stove first.


I made the mistake of not choosing my words more carefully last weekend. Was out on the street talking with a couple of neighbors and one mentioned that two of her kids were having babies soon. I said, hoo boy. No more babies for me. Kids are fun sometimes but I'm glad they're all out of the house.

Enjoyed having kids for the most part. They can be funny and insightful but who in their right mind would do it again?
 
2021-04-20 1:29:58 AM  
$10 a day per kid?   That's what it costs parents in other civilized countries, like Sweden.

Get your idiot neighbors to the south on board to do something like that for it's citizens.

I pay a private school tuition level amount of money for childcare for my 3 kids (pre k and daycare x2), only because I can.

For the money I spend, I could hire a nanny, pay for health care, and lease a safe car.

Quality childcare is expensive and inaccessible to the vast majority of people.
 
2021-04-20 1:58:48 AM  
The Liberals have promised National Daycare 5 years from now for the last 30 years. Just saying
 
Juc
2021-04-20 2:08:27 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: $300 a month guarantees this will not be available to anyone on less than $20 an hour fill time work.

It's shiatty. That is not what any Canadian meant when they voted for federal daycare. AND what is even worse, the previous study that was done that said for every $1 invested in daycare teh eocnomy would make $3 back? That was fully paid for by the government.

This plan is the Conservative Party eating our lunch. It's crap.


More along the lines of 220 or so per month. Since you don't send your kid to daycare 7 days per week... Usually.
It's not perfect but it's a pretty big improvement over the status quo.
I think it's 1200 per month if my kid just got to daycare age here. The cost of daycare has outstripped wake increases by a fair margin
 
2021-04-20 4:27:27 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: $300 a month guarantees this will not be available to anyone on less than $20 an hour fill time work.

It's shiatty. That is not what any Canadian meant when they voted for federal daycare. AND what is even worse, the previous study that was done that said for every $1 invested in daycare teh eocnomy would make $3 back? That was fully paid for by the government.

This plan is the Conservative Party eating our lunch. It's crap.


it's essentially another conservative way to dole out tax cuts (in the form of a tax credit) to those who make more money.  See also: private school vouchers.
 
2021-04-20 5:07:46 AM  

NetOwl: One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.


Those people can't admit their regret because they know they are wasted husks of humanity.

Kids are the best and grown ass adults who don't like them suffer from severe cognitive dissonance.
 
2021-04-20 6:31:01 AM  

NetOwl: One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.


I applaud you for staying in touch with your parents as they age.
 
2021-04-20 6:38:23 AM  

wax_on: aleister_greynight: And how much would we have to shave from the military budget to have that here?

Probably about 2 F-35s.

Having other people care for your offspring for some portion of their lives is part of our social contract and has been since frontier times ended. Few parents expect that they will have to do all of it. Having one person care for multiple family's children also represents a huge increase in productivity and especially helps women. Not sure what's wrong with that.


It is a big increase in productivity but also a big increase in the supply of paid labor, and consequently a negative driver of wages.  It is obviously not the only factor, but I think that it is probably a serious factor in the divergence of wages starting circa 1973 (maybe I will find the graph later when not on mobile).

It is also the reason for the generation of latch key kids in the 80s and 90s that a good portion of fark complains about being.

It is also a big driver of housing costs and income inequality.

We would have been much better served as a society if the push to get women into the workforce (which is good in and of itself) had been accompanied by a push to get men out at approximately the same rate)
 
2021-04-20 6:41:07 AM  
Alright, we're re-opening the asbestos mines!
 
2021-04-20 6:45:21 AM  

aleister_greynight: Intone: I'm told children are their own reward. Were those people lying?

Other people's children are better though.  That way you can get all the benefits, and still give them back at the end of the day.


Being an uncle is the greatest thing ever.  All the good things about having kids, none of the bad.  And I get to spoil them rotten and my brother gets to deal with the fallout.
 
2021-04-20 8:06:46 AM  
Well, housing prices demand two incomes to support the mortgage payments so I guess this might kick-start the real estate market.
That was sarcasm BTW.
 
2021-04-20 8:07:20 AM  
America nearly had nationalized child care.

Thanks GOP.
 
2021-04-20 8:45:46 AM  

oldfarthenry: Well, housing prices demand two incomes to support the mortgage payments so I guess this might kick-start the real estate market.
That was sarcasm BTW.


You actually have it backwards, sort of.  Two incomes were an initial driver of high home prices, especially in the US where school districts vary in (at least perceived) quality so much.  They started as a comparative advantage over single income buyers, but provoked a Red Queen effect where now everyone has to have two incomes just to keep up and single incomes are the comparative disadvantage.

The big problem is that, since it's locally suboptimal to go against the prevailing trend, it becomes really really difficult to reverse the process.  There is a real prisoner's dilemma thing going on in a population of mostly-single-income families.
 
2021-04-20 9:24:12 AM  
How about daycare so you can work from home. This is just a stealth way of propping up commercial real estate.
 
2021-04-20 10:12:34 AM  

NetOwl: One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.


"No one has every told me he regrets not having kids"

How would they know? Seriously, it really is one of those 'who feels it knows it'

I don't know what those other folks are telling you, but every parent I know considers their children their greatest gift, and their greatest achievement.
 
2021-04-20 10:14:50 AM  

baxterdog: RogermcAllen: Intone: I'm told children are their own reward. Were those people lying?

Yes.  The only good thing about having kids is that they help you enjoy the small things in life, like all those times when you are alone without your kids.

For a similar experience, place your hand on a hot stove.  Now place your hand in some cold water.  Wow, doesn't that cold water feel nice?  You never would have appreciated how nice cold water feels if you hadn't put your hand on the stove first.

I made the mistake of not choosing my words more carefully last weekend. Was out on the street talking with a couple of neighbors and one mentioned that two of her kids were having babies soon. I said, hoo boy. No more babies for me. Kids are fun sometimes but I'm glad they're all out of the house.

Enjoyed having kids for the most part. They can be funny and insightful but who in their right mind would do it again?


I used to say the same thing when my kids hit adolescence - that the idea of going back to The Starting Line with the family seemed anathema -- as rewarding as the experience had been, to date!
 
2021-04-20 10:32:04 AM  
Looking at the cost list for child care and various Canadian cities and towns, it seems to me that you could just give them their own apartment. It wouldn't cost any more and you'd have them out of your hair. They'd have to learn basic living skills to live on their own, which would be good for all.
 
2021-04-20 10:33:46 AM  

NetOwl: One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.


Just like every incel on Fark brags about how they choose not to have kids, right?
 
2021-04-20 11:14:35 AM  

RasIanI: NetOwl: One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.

"No one has every told me he regrets not having kids"

How would they know? Seriously, it really is one of those 'who feels it knows it'

I don't know what those other folks are telling you, but every parent I know considers their children their greatest gift, and their greatest achievement.


It is quite possible these people were lying as a coping mechanism.  There was a good video clip (or maybe a webcomic) about how people talk about having to kids to different people that I wish I could find.  In the first half a guy is getting advice from his friend about whether or not to have kids.  The friend says, "kids are the greatest thing in the world, they will change your life, etc., etc.".  In the second half/panel the guy has kids and the friend laughs in the guys face and says something like, "Hahaha, you are stuck now just like me. Welcome to eternal darkness" or something to that effect.
 
Juc
2021-04-20 11:50:10 AM  
I wouldn't really say I regret having a kid, but the timing wasn't great, and the little jerk wouldn't sleep through the night for years.
Not his fault though, wouldn't wish him out of existence for it.
I think you get sorta wired to not regret having a kid no matter how bad it gets; one of my cousins has a kid who's autistic, severely so, he's I think 17 or 18 now? way bigger than her and she needs riot gear and some times to call in additional people when he goes on a rampage. Her husband left her because she wouldn't send the kid to assisted living or whatever where the child's a resident and not family. She knows they wouldn't care, not like he does.
but even with that living hell, I don't think she'd say she regrets having kids.
 
2021-04-20 1:48:56 PM  

RogermcAllen: RasIanI: NetOwl: One question I like to ask old people is if they regret their choice to reproduce or not.

Plenty of people regret having kids.  No one has every told me he regrets not having kids.

"No one has every told me he regrets not having kids"

How would they know? Seriously, it really is one of those 'who feels it knows it'

I don't know what those other folks are telling you, but every parent I know considers their children their greatest gift, and their greatest achievement.

It is quite possible these people were lying as a coping mechanism.  There was a good video clip (or maybe a webcomic) about how people talk about having to kids to different people that I wish I could find.  In the first half a guy is getting advice from his friend about whether or not to have kids.  The friend says, "kids are the greatest thing in the world, they will change your life, etc., etc.".  In the second half/panel the guy has kids and the friend laughs in the guys face and says something like, "Hahaha, you are stuck now just like me. Welcome to eternal darkness" or something to that effect.


My oldest has left the nest and my youngest is almost there.

I don't regret it, but I honestly don't know if I would do it over again given what I know now.

Being a dad to these two kids has provided me some of the greatest, most fun, amazing moments of my life.

It has also provided some of the longest scariest nights, some of the greatest heartbreak, and some of the worst moments in my life.

That's my $,02
 
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