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(Jerusalem Post)   On this day 78 years ago the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising broke out   (jpost.com) divider line
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2021-04-19 4:39:15 PM  
Damn, subby, about 78 years too late on the News Flash here.

/amazing story tho
 
2021-04-19 5:40:21 PM  
No hero tag? We need 13,000 plus hero tags.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-04-19 6:51:58 PM  
But when I say Jews are revolting I get banned.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-04-19 6:56:17 PM  
OK, seriously: The Holocaust Museum has a good collection of information and pictures. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conten​t​/en/article/warsaw-ghetto-uprising
 
2021-04-19 8:00:45 PM  
God Damn actual Nazis.

And good riddance.
 
2021-04-19 8:02:34 PM  
This is what true courage looks like.
 
2021-04-19 8:04:15 PM  

ZAZ: OK, seriously: The Holocaust Museum has a good collection of information and pictures. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content​/en/article/warsaw-ghetto-uprising


Did they every put back the Deomag-IBM punchcard machine?
 
2021-04-19 8:16:12 PM  
Uprising
Youtube dzZy7T32Egs
 
2021-04-19 8:21:17 PM  
Inmate 4859
Youtube ZaaI58wbHdo
 
2021-04-19 8:23:18 PM  
I'm really becoming leery of these Nazi fellows.
 
2021-04-19 8:26:12 PM  
And the soviet union said : we'll wait until the nazis kill as many jews as possible, then we might do something, maybe, if we feel like it.
 
2021-04-19 8:33:01 PM  
Getto and Ghetto are interchangeable.
 
2021-04-19 8:33:59 PM  

lolmao500: And the soviet union said : we'll wait until the nazis kill as many jews as possible, then we might do something, maybe, if we feel like it.


Then the world said never again. While never again has become someplace in China
 
2021-04-19 8:38:55 PM  
I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.
 
2021-04-19 8:42:38 PM  

Warlordtrooper: lolmao500: And the soviet union said : we'll wait until the nazis kill as many jews as possible, then we might do something, maybe, if we feel like it.

Then the world said never again. While never again has become someplace in China


OK, never again where it doesn't affect Apple shareholder value then.
 
2021-04-19 8:43:47 PM  

mistahtom: Getto and Ghetto are interchangeable.


I thought that was Gaza and Ghetto
 
2021-04-19 8:54:57 PM  

Warlordtrooper: lolmao500: And the soviet union said : we'll wait until the nazis kill as many jews as possible, then we might do something, maybe, if we feel like it.

Then the world said never again. While never again has become someplace in China


Something tells me you're only upset about the "never again" part.
 
2021-04-19 8:56:49 PM  
Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.
 
2021-04-19 8:57:45 PM  

RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.


Never trust any authoritarian, Right or Left, -ESPECIALLY- if they claim to be on your side.
 
2021-04-19 8:59:00 PM  
The troop on the left in the pic is on his cell phone.
 
2021-04-19 9:00:20 PM  

Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control far better public education.


FTFY because your original statement is ridiculous. Guns were not the cause of all of those atrocities. Guns made the atrocities far easier to carry out but it was people who had their half-empty heads filled with evil lies that carried out those atrocities.
 
2021-04-19 9:02:17 PM  
Nitzer Ebb Warsaw Ghetto (Full 12" Version)
Youtube OcECgEY6MH4
 
2021-04-19 9:02:19 PM  

Dryad: RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.

Never trust any authoritarian, Right or Left, -ESPECIALLY- if they claim to be on your side.


As long as you believe that I am with you.
 
2021-04-19 9:03:53 PM  
Am I to understand that there will be no side uprisings?
 
2021-04-19 9:06:30 PM  

Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.


They still died even with guns.
 
2021-04-19 9:15:16 PM  

RandyJohnson: Dryad: RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.

Never trust any authoritarian, Right or Left, -ESPECIALLY- if they claim to be on your side.

As long as you believe that I am with you.


He doesn't.
 
2021-04-19 9:26:51 PM  
And the soldiers of the Red Army got a much needed rest.
 
2021-04-19 9:43:49 PM  

RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.


Ah yes, socialists. Like west/northern europe or canada, truly shiatholes, oh wait no, thats murica. Where people love socialism when they dont know its socialism (medicare/medicaid/social security).

You're registered as a republican voter, you hate socialism so much, all your medicare/medicaid/social security benefits should be zero.
 
2021-04-19 9:52:07 PM  
Well this thread plopped in the shiatter faster than expected.
 
2021-04-19 9:53:27 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.

They still died even with guns.


Would it have been better if they had *no* guns and just died? At least this way, they took some of the Nazi bastards with them. With more guns, maybe they would have been able to take even more.

When you know you're going to be killed, take as many of them with you as you can. Maybe that'll at least save some people down the line.
 
2021-04-19 10:12:42 PM  

RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.


Communism, Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Stalinism and Maoism are all different ideologies.

Just for starters, if there's a hierarchy and a leader, especially one with dictatorial power, it isn't farking Communism. That's not a defense of Communism either, because human nature makes actual Communism basically impossible on a large scale unless we, as a society, go through some HUGE changes.

Stalinism, Maoism and their offshoots have far more in common with right-wing fascism than they do with socialism, especially the Democratic Socialism that 99% of American socialists advocate for.
 
2021-04-19 10:19:04 PM  

sugar_fetus: PC LOAD LETTER: Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.

They still died even with guns.

Would it have been better if they had *no* guns and just died? At least this way, they took some of the Nazi bastards with them. With more guns, maybe they would have been able to take even more.

When you know you're going to be killed, take as many of them with you as you can. Maybe that'll at least save some people down the line.


How's free access to guns working in Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia? Did the tyrants get overthrown? Literally the Taliban was only (temporarily) defeated because the US military supplied troops, arms and goddamn air support.
 
2021-04-19 10:19:20 PM  

LordJiro: RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.

Communism, Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Stalinism and Maoism are all different ideologies.

Just for starters, if there's a hierarchy and a leader, especially one with dictatorial power, it isn't farking Communism. That's not a defense of Communism either, because human nature makes actual Communism basically impossible on a large scale unless we, as a society, go through some HUGE changes.

Stalinism, Maoism and their offshoots have far more in common with right-wing fascism than they do with socialism, especially the Democratic Socialism that 99% of American socialists advocate for.


Ah, the old "communist weren't communist" canard. Right up there with "Nazis were socialists".
 
2021-04-19 10:20:05 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: sugar_fetus: PC LOAD LETTER: Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.

They still died even with guns.

Would it have been better if they had *no* guns and just died? At least this way, they took some of the Nazi bastards with them. With more guns, maybe they would have been able to take even more.

When you know you're going to be killed, take as many of them with you as you can. Maybe that'll at least save some people down the line.

How's free access to guns working in Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia? Did the tyrants get overthrown? Literally the Taliban was only (temporarily) defeated because the US military supplied troops, arms and goddamn air support.


Seems like it's working out pretty good for the Taliban.
 
2021-04-19 10:34:22 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: sugar_fetus: PC LOAD LETTER: Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.

They still died even with guns.

Would it have been better if they had *no* guns and just died? At least this way, they took some of the Nazi bastards with them. With more guns, maybe they would have been able to take even more.

When you know you're going to be killed, take as many of them with you as you can. Maybe that'll at least save some people down the line.

How's free access to guns working in Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia? Did the tyrants get overthrown? Literally the Taliban was only (temporarily) defeated because the US military supplied troops, arms and goddamn air support.


Where was anyone in this speaking about those areas? I was commenting on the Warsaw Uprising.

I assume you disagree with me, and wish the Jewish fighters then had even fewer arms than they had.
 
2021-04-19 10:37:02 PM  

g.fro: PC LOAD LETTER: sugar_fetus: PC LOAD LETTER: Dryad: I am told this is why we need gun control. To prevent things like this from happening. Only the government should have guns.

They still died even with guns.

Would it have been better if they had *no* guns and just died? At least this way, they took some of the Nazi bastards with them. With more guns, maybe they would have been able to take even more.

When you know you're going to be killed, take as many of them with you as you can. Maybe that'll at least save some people down the line.

How's free access to guns working in Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia? Did the tyrants get overthrown? Literally the Taliban was only (temporarily) defeated because the US military supplied troops, arms and goddamn air support.

Seems like it's working out pretty good for the Taliban.


Also, it seems that many, many armies have broken themselves fighting the Afghani. The US is only the latest in a long line of them.
 
2021-04-19 10:51:15 PM  
Hey Bostonguy, is kibbutz hagetto'ot still there?
 
2021-04-19 11:22:49 PM  

Dryad: Warlordtrooper: lolmao500: And the soviet union said : we'll wait until the nazis kill as many jews as possible, then we might do something, maybe, if we feel like it.

Then the world said never again. While never again has become someplace in China

OK, never again where it doesn't affect Apple shareholder value then.


And where Walmart can effectively be China's American distributor.
 
2021-04-19 11:29:20 PM  

LordJiro: Stalinism, Maoism and their offshoots have far more in common with right-wing fascism than they do with socialism, especially the Democratic Socialism that 99% of American socialists advocate for.


g.fro: Ah, the old "communist weren't communist" canard. Right up there with "Nazis were socialists".


Nope. Stalinism, Maoism, Fascism - all extreme authoritarians who killed their own citizens by the millions.

The kind of people who were good Cultural Revolution zealots would have made perfectly good Stalinist purgers, Gestapo, and Trumpanzees.

The right-wing ones are happy to let monied interests take care of the details of oppression, and the Communists prefer more state participation. But other than that they have the same goals and methods and disregard for human rights.
 
2021-04-19 11:33:57 PM  
I read stories about the Ghetto and see some of the bravest, most righteous fighters in living memory. And then I think of how it ended for them and I feel sick.

People have action-hero fantasies of gunning down "bad guys", but they never include the part where the real heroes often lose and get maimed, killed, or tortured.

That may be the root of the reason that I hate comic book movies. Real heroes proceed without a guaranteed happy ending.
 
2021-04-19 11:42:45 PM  
Based on the grotty responses I keep seeing to the shootings of black people, I'm amazed no one is saying "they should've just complied with the authorities."
 
2021-04-19 11:57:52 PM  

jaytkay: LordJiro: Stalinism, Maoism and their offshoots have far more in common with right-wing fascism than they do with socialism, especially the Democratic Socialism that 99% of American socialists advocate for.

g.fro: Ah, the old "communist weren't communist" canard. Right up there with "Nazis were socialists".

Nope. Stalinism, Maoism, Fascism - all extreme authoritarians who killed their own citizens by the millions.

The kind of people who were good Cultural Revolution zealots would have made perfectly good Stalinist purgers, Gestapo, and Trumpanzees.

The right-wing ones are happy to let monied interests take care of the details of oppression, and the Communists prefer more state participation. But other than that they have the same goals and methods and disregard for human rights.


The political horseshoe is a thing.
 
2021-04-20 12:15:39 AM  

g.fro: The political horseshoe is a thing.


Yes, when you're talking about actual extremists. Not American politics as it's usually invoked.

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2021-04-20 12:29:52 AM  

jaytkay: g.fro: The political horseshoe is a thing.

Yes, when you're talking about actual extremists. Not American politics as it's usually invoked.

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I thought we were talking about actual Nazis (as in the NSDAP) and Stalinists.
 
2021-04-20 12:42:16 AM  
I was in Warsaw for the 60th anniversary, and it was amazing to see. It's such a shame that Poland is being dragged down the tubes by its own fascists after enduring the brutality of external fascists, not to mention the commie bastards who followed.
 
2021-04-20 1:21:09 AM  

g.fro: jaytkay: g.fro: The political horseshoe is a thing.

Yes, when you're talking about actual extremists. Not American politics as it's usually invoked.

[Fark user image image 803x804]

I thought we were talking about actual Nazis (as in the NSDAP) and Stalinists.


Not on Fark. Anyone to the right of AOC is a nazi, and Tankies are moderate left.
 
2021-04-20 2:40:18 AM  

casual disregard: God Damn actual Nazis.

And good riddance.


Riddance? I think not, sadly.
 
2021-04-20 3:35:08 AM  

g.fro: LordJiro: RandyJohnson: Never trust a socialist. They will kill you. About 100 million in the 20th century.

Communism, Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Stalinism and Maoism are all different ideologies.

Just for starters, if there's a hierarchy and a leader, especially one with dictatorial power, it isn't farking Communism. That's not a defense of Communism either, because human nature makes actual Communism basically impossible on a large scale unless we, as a society, go through some HUGE changes.

Stalinism, Maoism and their offshoots have far more in common with right-wing fascism than they do with socialism, especially the Democratic Socialism that 99% of American socialists advocate for.

Ah, the old "communist weren't communist" canard. Right up there with "Nazis were socialists".


Again, by definition, if there was a leader and a clear hierarchy, they weren't Communists. At best, you could call them the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' that Marx claimed was a stepping stone in-between capitalism and communism.

So, yes, both of your statements were accurate, and for the same reason; if a bunch of totalitarian assholes use an ideology in the name of their regime, it doesn't necessarily mean that label is accurate.
 
2021-04-20 6:15:04 AM  
 
2021-04-20 7:35:36 AM  

bostonguy: hoodiowithtudio: , is kibbutz hagetto'ot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohamei_​HaGeta'ot


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanks
 
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