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(NBC News)   And the newest sponsor of renewable energy is the United Mine Workers Association- wait what?   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2021-04-19 12:57:58 PM  
Gotta be a win-win. Transition away from fossil fuel and get other high-paying Union jobs. I know people making over 75K installing and maintaining wind power with less chance of miner's lungs.
 
2021-04-19 4:28:25 PM  
What's the United Mine Workers Association? Are they an offshoot of the United Mine Workers of America union? [RTFA -- there was a correction after the last graf]

/Son of a miner
//Still thinks renewable energy is the way forward
 
2021-04-19 4:46:20 PM  
Coal is dying. And Donald Trump killed it.
 
2021-04-19 5:49:32 PM  
Good. Some of these folks won't need a minute of retraining. Operating and maintaining heavy equipment will be a huge part of any coming big infrastructure push. Other skills will translate with less training than someone coming off the street would require. Smart move, finally.
 
2021-04-19 8:01:56 PM  
The GREATEST hope I have here is that fossil fuels begin to eat eachother.

Coal mining certainly COULD stand to get cleaner or go renewable at every possible turn. There's no reason for it to be beholden to gasoline or diesel except where absolutely necessary.

This is where a properly functioning Democratic strategist or think tank could do wonders. Use GOP tactics: divide and conquer.

Where I live,the fight SHOULD be two-pronged: 1) sportsmen (hunters and fishermen in particular) vs. private logging companies, which have closed off what used to be open lands... and 2) sportsmen vs. ranchers/dairy farmers, which do a HELL of a lot to destroy fish habitats (same with logging) and whose practices can also harm birds and deer and other hunted species.
 
2021-04-19 8:05:18 PM  
They want more control of the legislation, and they need to look cooperative to slow it down.
 
2021-04-19 8:07:03 PM  
So where does this leave Manchin?  I feel like mine workers have a pretty big presence in the state of West Virginia.
 
2021-04-19 8:08:50 PM  

austerity101: So where does this leave Manchin?  I feel like mine workers have a pretty big presence in the state of West Virginia.


As if Joe Manchin gives a fark about what a union has to say.
 
2021-04-19 8:09:06 PM  
We should go back the good old days when highly skilled 10 year olds worked the mines.
 
2021-04-19 8:11:52 PM  
Farking finally. Let's move forward for once.
 
2021-04-19 8:12:54 PM  
Couldn't you people have figured out that this is what Democrats were offering back in 2016, before electing Trump?
 
2021-04-19 8:13:30 PM  
Job Security...
 
2021-04-19 8:14:37 PM  
Good. This is how America is supposed to work. Many industries have gone into obsolescence, and the workers have to find something else to do. Why are coal miners any different? Or gun makers for that matter.
 
2021-04-19 8:16:04 PM  

Somacandra: Gotta be a win-win. Transition away from fossil fuel and get other high-paying Union jobs. I know people making over 75K installing and maintaining wind power with less chance of miner's lungs.


But they have a much higher chance of being hit by birds.
 
2021-04-19 8:17:34 PM  
wait what?

It's only surprising when you assume that the interests of coal workers are exactly identical to the interests of coal CEOs.

Coal: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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2021-04-19 8:18:46 PM  

LarryDan43: We should go back the good old days when highly skilled 10 year olds worked the mines.


fark you, lib. I deserve the right to burn whale oil for my lanterns like every other red blooded american.
 
2021-04-19 8:18:54 PM  
Learn to code.
 
2021-04-19 8:20:42 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: wait what?

It's only surprising when you assume that the interests of coal workers are exactly identical to the interests of coal CEOs.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/aw6RsUhw​1Q8]


Oil workers think so. Why wouldn't coal miners?
 
2021-04-19 8:30:48 PM  

puffy999: Coal mining certainly COULD stand to get cleaner or go renewable at every possible turn. There's no reason for it to be beholden to gasoline or diesel except where absolutely necessary.


Totally.  We just need to accelerate global warming, make Jurassic park a reality, wipe out the microbes and flora that can break down trees, then sit back and wait for a few million years.  BAM!  Renewable coal.
 
2021-04-19 8:32:18 PM  
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Weird. They never speak out about politics.
 
2021-04-19 8:32:21 PM  

Bimmer Jones: What's the United Mine Workers Association? Are they an offshoot of the United Mine Workers of America union? [RTFA -- there was a correction after the last graf]

/Son of a miner
//Still thinks renewable energy is the way forward


Your closing words and tone remind me of Ron Reagan and his Freedom from Religion commercial:

"Lifelong atheist. Not afraid of burning in hell."
 
2021-04-19 8:33:47 PM  

austerity101: So where does this leave Manchin?  I feel like mine workers have a pretty big presence in the state of West Virginia.


WV population: ~1.8M

WV coal miners: ~14K

WV prison population: ~13K

Despite everyone yanking their crank about coal miners, they are a rounding error.  Manchin could care less.  He won his 2018 election by more than that.
 
2021-04-19 8:34:04 PM  
If you think about it, human bodies are a source of renewable energy.
 
2021-04-19 8:38:39 PM  
You know, it kind of makes sense that they'd be advocating for better jobs that don't eventually kill their members through lung diseases.
 
2021-04-19 8:38:42 PM  
We still need to mine lithium for the batteries in all those electric vehicles, not to mention aluminum, copper, and rare earth elements like indium, cadmium, dysprosium, neodymium, terbium, europium, and yttrium.

Of course, we should limit the opprobrium that might come from expanded mining operations in areas with delicate ecology.
 
2021-04-19 8:39:05 PM  
Its basically everything that everyone who isnt a turtle wants when it comes to the shift. Do it up.
 
2021-04-19 8:39:21 PM  

Man with the Red Eyes: puffy999: Coal mining certainly COULD stand to get cleaner or go renewable at every possible turn. There's no reason for it to be beholden to gasoline or diesel except where absolutely necessary.

Totally.  We just need to accelerate global warming, make Jurassic park a reality, wipe out the microbes and flora that can break down trees, then sit back and wait for a few million years.  BAM!  Renewable coal.


Don't be silly.

I'm trying to find ways to tear fossil fuels away from eachother, not give them competitive advice.
 
2021-04-19 8:40:47 PM  

phalamir: austerity101: So where does this leave Manchin?  I feel like mine workers have a pretty big presence in the state of West Virginia.

WV population: ~1.8M

WV coal miners: ~14K

WV prison population: ~13K

Despite everyone yanking their crank about coal miners, they are a rounding error.  Manchin could care less.  He won his 2018 election by more than that.


Yeah but think of all the cousinwives and sisterdaughters those miners feed and clothe!
 
2021-04-19 8:44:25 PM  

metric: We still need to mine lithium for the batteries in all those electric vehicles, not to mention aluminum, copper, and rare earth elements like indium, cadmium, dysprosium, neodymium, terbium, europium, and yttrium.



?
 
2021-04-19 8:45:39 PM  

iheartscotch: Coal is dying. And Donald Trump killed it.


My mom grew up in West Virginia. Coal has been dying since before she was a kid. Only those damn stubborn miners and their bosses kept it on life support this long.
 
2021-04-19 8:46:48 PM  

puffy999: Man with the Red Eyes: puffy999: Coal mining certainly COULD stand to get cleaner or go renewable at every possible turn. There's no reason for it to be beholden to gasoline or diesel except where absolutely necessary.

Totally.  We just need to accelerate global warming, make Jurassic park a reality, wipe out the microbes and flora that can break down trees, then sit back and wait for a few million years.  BAM!  Renewable coal.

Don't be silly.

I'm trying to find ways to tear fossil fuels away from eachother, not give them competitive advice.


:( aww... But being silly is what I do best.
 
2021-04-19 8:47:37 PM  

New Farkin User Name: metric: We still need to mine lithium for the batteries in all those electric vehicles, not to mention aluminum, copper, and rare earth elements like indium, cadmium, dysprosium, neodymium, terbium, europium, and yttrium.


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Yttrium is actually on the list
 
2021-04-19 8:56:43 PM  

puffy999: Man with the Red Eyes: puffy999: Coal mining certainly COULD stand to get cleaner or go renewable at every possible turn. There's no reason for it to be beholden to gasoline or diesel except where absolutely necessary.

Totally.  We just need to accelerate global warming, make Jurassic park a reality, wipe out the microbes and flora that can break down trees, then sit back and wait for a few million years.  BAM!  Renewable coal.

Don't be silly.

I'm trying to find ways to tear fossil fuels away from eachother, not give them competitive advice.


There is quite literally no such thing as 'clean coal' The 'cleaning' process results in significant volumes of very nasty stuff, and the end product is still a carbon source.

Move. The Fark. On.
 
2021-04-19 9:05:59 PM  

puffy999: Man with the Red Eyes: puffy999: Coal mining certainly COULD stand to get cleaner or go renewable at every possible turn. There's no reason for it to be beholden to gasoline or diesel except where absolutely necessary.

Totally.  We just need to accelerate global warming, make Jurassic park a reality, wipe out the microbes and flora that can break down trees, then sit back and wait for a few million years.  BAM!  Renewable coal.

Don't be silly.

I'm trying to find ways to tear fossil fuels away from eachother, not give them competitive advice.


They already are. Natural gas is an existential threat to coal.
 
2021-04-19 9:10:44 PM  
"It's not fair to take somebody's job away from them and push them into another career,"

I fully understand where this coal miner is coming from.  However, I wonder if he felt the same way for others in similar positions or is he only upset because now it's him.
 
2021-04-19 9:32:55 PM  

runwiz: "It's not fair to take somebody's job away from them and push them into another career,"

I fully understand where this coal miner is coming from.  However, I wonder if he felt the same way for others in similar positions or is he only upset because now it's him.


This is literally the problem.  The coal miners don't want retraining, because it means giving up their 75k a year job to move somewhere else and maybe be paid less.  These folks are older workers and just temperamentally don't want to change their way of life or where they're living.  There is literally no solution that will satisfy them and it sucks for them, but as pointed out up thread, this is not a unique situation for Americans all over the country whose situations change, it's just that they have a megaphone of extraction industry lobbyists and politics shouting for them.
 
2021-04-19 9:48:23 PM  

phalamir: New Farkin User Name: metric: We still need to mine lithium for the batteries in all those electric vehicles, not to mention aluminum, copper, and rare earth elements like indium, cadmium, dysprosium, neodymium, terbium, europium, and yttrium.


?

Yttrium is actually on the list


why even make a periodic table if you're going to throw exceptions in smh
 
2021-04-19 9:57:47 PM  

runwiz: "It's not fair to take somebody's job away from them and push them into another career,"

I fully understand where this coal miner is coming from.  However, I wonder if he felt the same way for others in similar positions or is he only upset because now it's him.


I've had to change jobs quite often. Not everyone has the luxury of being in the same job for 40 years. In fact, most don't have that luxury at all.
 
2021-04-20 9:41:56 AM  
They know mining for coal sucks. Some stuff you have to mine but coal is a dead industry. We don't mine what no one needs or wants. I was in gold exploration in the Yukon when I was 19 (30 years ago). When I came home and finally went to university, I met a lot of people who were in tree planting. I would joke and mention that I spent most of my time in the Yukon cutting trees down (you need to clear the trees before you rip a trench to sample). I recall one pissed off student got in my face about how it was people like me making the world a worse place; I pointed at her gold necklace and earrings, and corrected her.
 
2021-04-20 12:48:10 PM  
Apparently I'm out of my element.
 
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