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2021-04-19 11:14:30 AM  
I worked with legions of robots making more than that in Corporate America. They may have been born human, but they definitely traded their humanity long ago to mindlessly play the corporate game.
 
2021-04-19 11:52:30 AM  
A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.
 
2021-04-19 11:54:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.


Self correction... I thought it said $30k/ea... Still, $30k for a dump like that is a serious expense.
 
2021-04-19 12:08:56 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

Self correction... I thought it said $30k/ea... Still, $30k for a dump like that is a serious expense.


Yes...however, leasing them might be workable. $1500/mo, 2 year lease, $2000 down...[scratches head, thinks about billion eleven dollar idea]
 
2021-04-19 12:14:18 PM  
Yes, I think sex bots could easily make their owners 15 dollars an hour.
 
2021-04-19 12:14:38 PM  
That's dumb.
 
2021-04-19 12:17:19 PM  
Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.
 
2021-04-19 12:25:15 PM  
the note says, "We are short-staffed. Please be patient with the staff that did show up. No one wants to work anymore for crappy wages."

FTFTA
 
2021-04-19 12:26:26 PM  
OK, for anyone wanting actual details, HERE is the actual article:

https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/s​o​uth-florida-restaurant-employs-robot-s​ervers-counter-staff-shortages/QDNDELP​LABA6JBMFQUQHJJ7FK4/

And another one that has more info than what subby posted:
Tip your robot: South Florida restaurant hires robo-servers to deal with staff shortages (sun-sentinel.com)
 
2021-04-19 12:26:30 PM  

covalesj: Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.


Exactly.  It's inevitable, so "then they'll just use robots" by itself is a weak argument against a living wage. No point in dragging it out by prolonging unlivable conditions. Pea-brained conservatives never see the bigger picture.
 
2021-04-19 12:28:41 PM  
This place has been doing it for 20 years.


Food Delivery at Fritz's Railroad Restaurant, Crown Center, Kansas City
Youtube Ev2OP_9ytms
 
2021-04-19 12:28:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

Self correction... I thought it said $30k/ea... Still, $30k for a dump like that is a serious expense.


Yeah, TFA is shiat. The other articles are a little better at noting that the $30K was total, not for each robot.
 
2021-04-19 12:29:53 PM  

tobcc: This place has been doing it for 20 years.


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That's not a robot, it's clearly a train. ;-)
 
2021-04-19 12:32:19 PM  
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2021-04-19 12:34:11 PM  

NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.


15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.
 
2021-04-19 12:39:11 PM  
 
2021-04-19 12:47:47 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: covalesj: Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.

Exactly.  It's inevitable, so "then they'll just use robots" by itself is a weak argument against a living wage. No point in dragging it out by prolonging unlivable conditions. Pea-brained conservatives never see the bigger picture.


A book that talks abou this is Automation and the Future of Work
 
2021-04-19 12:50:50 PM  
How about not paying poverty wages during a pandemic and maybe you'd retain some staff.  My wife's restaurant is having a hard time retaining staff but they pay them crap, understaff them and make them work 12 hour + long shifts.  They also don't pay them for the hour or two of sidework they must do AFTER their shift.  Then they wonder why they're losing staff and can't get new hires to stay.
 
2021-04-19 12:53:13 PM  

echo5mike: They also don't pay them for the hour or two of sidework they must do AFTER their shift.


Which is both illegal, and depressingly common.
 
2021-04-19 12:56:01 PM  
Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

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2021-04-19 1:00:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

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That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.
 
2021-04-19 1:01:45 PM  

covalesj: Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.


Automation is the top destroyer of jobs.

Not outsourcing
 
2021-04-19 1:01:53 PM  

Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.


Those numbers also don't include things like workers comp insurance, payroll takes, and all of the additional taxes for having employees, not to mention the time spent on HR items. As the tech gets cheaper, and the expected wages get higher, we will see more and more of this sort of things.

So .... what should society do with an entire class of people that no longer feel that they are part of society? (Lets assume that there is a UBI at a level that provided basic housing, food, and medical care... exactly what is the level of "basic" will need to be debated.... is it to "keep you from being homeless" or is it "you can afford a new iPhone?" level?) So we have the $ covered.. so.. what do they do with their time? Do they to go "free college?" Will they want to? In essence ... how should society handle "peasants" that have no interest in higher level job training, or "bettering one's self" once all opportunities have been provided?

In Indiana, any low income student can sign up for the "21st Century Scholar's" program in middle school. If they succeed in graduating with a C+ average, and do not get in trouble with the law, it guarantees tuition at any state school (I was one of the first cohorts when the program was created). If, for example, you live in a city with a state school satellite campus, and live at home, then your costs are very very low (books and fees).... yet.. a much smaller than should percentage of those students actually take the option to use it, or they go for 1 year, and say "college isn't for me" and then drop out. When post HS education will be necessary, since most "easy" (either low skill, or repetitive) jobs or jobs that are basically just number crunching will be replaced with robots/AI, how do you motivate that segment of the population that it is necessary. Even if the "needs" of that population are taken care of, having 10s of thousands of people "idle" is not going to be good for anyone.
 
2021-04-19 1:02:21 PM  

ajgeek: Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

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That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.


We have lots of these in the US.
 
2021-04-19 1:08:35 PM  

Linux_Yes: covalesj: Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.

Automation is the top destroyer of jobs.

Not outsourcing


I...am confused on your response -- I think you are agreeing with me? Who brought up outsourcing?
 
2021-04-19 1:14:53 PM  

austerity101: ajgeek: Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

[Fark user image image 425x318]

That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.

We have lots of these in the US.


You must be in a civilized area; I've never seen one, ever.
 
2021-04-19 1:16:25 PM  

ajgeek: austerity101: ajgeek: Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

[Fark user image image 425x318]

That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.

We have lots of these in the US.

You must be in a civilized area; I've never seen one, ever.


Maybe not as large and fancy as this, but I've been to multiple "sushi-go-round" places here in Portland. I stopped going because of the pandemic, obviously. I miss them.
 
2021-04-19 1:17:26 PM  

ajgeek: Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

[Fark user image image 425x318]

That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.


Couple of years ago (pre covid) somebody opened an Automat style no staff restaurant at a mall here. Food displayed in little cubes, order your stuff, pay by card, nuke it in the microwave then eat at your table.

Lasted a couple months before shutting down. Went in once on a Saturday around lunch and it was totally empty.
 
2021-04-19 1:18:15 PM  

Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.


Who programs the robots and cleans and maintains them? What level of memory and hardware is in them so that they can stay robust and viable? 2-3 year old phones and smart TVs start to perform wonky due to the lack of upgrades and the push of new software and bloatware. What happens when someone comes in and accidentally breaks one or gets hurt by one?
 
2021-04-19 1:23:20 PM  

mongbiohazard: echo5mike: They also don't pay them for the hour or two of sidework they must do AFTER their shift.

Which is both illegal, and depressingly common.


No it isn't illegal. It sucks, but it's not illegal in any way. As long as your assumed wages from tips + 2.13/hour equals or exceeds minimum wage, that's all that matters. If you work 5 hours and make $75 in tips plus $10.65 in hourly, you've made $85.65, which is $17.13/hour. That's all they go by. There isn't an hour by hour breakdown of which job you did. It's shiatty, but 100% legal.
 
2021-04-19 1:27:57 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: the note says, "We are short-staffed. Please be patient with the staff that did show up. No one wants to work anymore for crappy wages."

FTFTA


And be exposed to deadly diseases. And idiots.
 
2021-04-19 1:29:22 PM  

ajgeek: austerity101: ajgeek: Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

[Fark user image image 425x318]

That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.

We have lots of these in the US.

You must be in a civilized area; I've never seen one, ever.


They had them in the DC area, I used to go to one in Bethesda occasionally. That was about 20 years ago.

Humans are still quite involved in such an operation. The system did allow food to flow to 20+ seats quickly, though. Plate colors determined the price, at the end of the meal, they counted your plates and charged accordingly
 
2021-04-19 1:49:36 PM  

tobcc: This place has been doing it for 20 years.


[YouTube video: Food Delivery at Fritz's Railroad Restaurant, Crown Center, Kansas City]


Lots longer than that. I used to be the kitchen manager at their shawnee location. The first food train was built sometime in the 60s at their 18th street location. NASCAR tried to buy the patent on it 5 or 6 years ago.
 
2021-04-19 1:53:33 PM  

badplaid: Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.

Who programs the robots and cleans and maintains them? What level of memory and hardware is in them so that they can stay robust and viable? 2-3 year old phones and smart TVs start to perform wonky due to the lack of upgrades and the push of new software and bloatware. What happens when someone comes in and accidentally breaks one or gets hurt by one?


More than likely things like this will end up being a "hardware as a service" scheme with little upfront cost. The companies that sell the "automated workforce" will set the average cost of ownership / rent will be calculated to be less than having an employee by design. Basically, they will operate like the uScan or whatever system is used for automated checkout at grocery stores or Walmart. There would be no reason for those that purchase/rent the machines to have someone on staff to "fiddle with them".. I'm sure that the OS/Software is updated over the air, like Teslas, and any physical maintenance can be done by a tech that handles an entire region.
 
2021-04-19 1:55:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.


Does Pamela Anderson eat there?
🤔
 
2021-04-19 2:27:51 PM  

Mikey1969: mongbiohazard: echo5mike: They also don't pay them for the hour or two of sidework they must do AFTER their shift.

Which is both illegal, and depressingly common.

No it isn't illegal. It sucks, but it's not illegal in any way. As long as your assumed wages from tips + 2.13/hour equals or exceeds minimum wage, that's all that matters. If you work 5 hours and make $75 in tips plus $10.65 in hourly, you've made $85.65, which is $17.13/hour. That's all they go by. There isn't an hour by hour breakdown of which job you did. It's shiatty, but 100% legal.


Yup.

I worked at a brew pub after my first college go round and while I went back for another degree.  Started off BOH as food expo and FOH server assistant.  Both were I think around $5.50 an hour plus tips from the servers and bartenders.  It was decent money depending upon the shift.

Then I moved into serving, which I hated as a natural introvert.  Started off at $2.13 an hour but for every $100,000 in gross sales you got a $.50 an hour raise.  Whooo hoooo!

Think I made it to $4.13 an hour by the time I got a "real" job.  The nice thing was when you got "cut" from your shift you could start on your side work while just waiting out your last tables.  Rolling silverware was usually the last job and managers let you order an employee pint ($2 for 20 oz. pint) as soon as you were cut so you got paid to drink beer and just wait out your last tables.

Loved working there.  Now I'm just an office drone.

/Lame Story Bro
 
2021-04-19 2:33:42 PM  

covalesj: Linux_Yes: covalesj: Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.

Automation is the top destroyer of jobs.

Not outsourcing

I...am confused on your response -- I think you are agreeing with me? Who brought up outsourcing?


Yes
So many believe outsourcing is taking their jobs and keeping min wage low.
 
2021-04-19 2:38:01 PM  

Mikey1969: No it isn't illegal. It sucks, but it's not illegal in any way. As long as your assumed wages from tips + 2.13/hour equals or exceeds minimum wage, that's all that matters. If you work 5 hours and make $75 in tips plus $10.65 in hourly, you've made $85.65, which is $17.13/hour. That's all they go by. There isn't an hour by hour breakdown of which job you did. It's shiatty, but 100% legal.


I have a sneaking suspicion that it is not 100% legal.

What happens if the workers say fark you and don't do the extra two hours.  are you going to dock their pay for those two hours they didn't work when they weren't on the clock?
 
2021-04-19 2:46:33 PM  

Hyjamon: Mikey1969: No it isn't illegal. It sucks, but it's not illegal in any way. As long as your assumed wages from tips + 2.13/hour equals or exceeds minimum wage, that's all that matters. If you work 5 hours and make $75 in tips plus $10.65 in hourly, you've made $85.65, which is $17.13/hour. That's all they go by. There isn't an hour by hour breakdown of which job you did. It's shiatty, but 100% legal.

I have a sneaking suspicion that it is not 100% legal.

What happens if the workers say fark you and don't do the extra two hours.  are you going to dock their pay for those two hours they didn't work when they weren't on the clock?


No. You start not getting tables assigned to you, so you don't get tips. Or keep you on as an "employee" but then only schedule you for the Tuesday afternoon shift. ....  there are tons of ways that the service industry can screw over their people.
 
2021-04-19 2:47:05 PM  

badplaid: Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.

Who programs the robots and cleans and maintains them? What level of memory and hardware is in them so that they can stay robust and viable? 2-3 year old phones and smart TVs start to perform wonky due to the lack of upgrades and the push of new software and bloatware. What happens when someone comes in and accidentally breaks one or gets hurt by one?


Available starting next year:
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Bellabot. $1,299.
Programed easily with an app. Willing to work 7 days a week, open to close, doesn't take breaks or call in sick. Likely will need to be replaced once every couple of years. The restaurant owner in this article was badly ripped off, his robots can't even take orders. This one can.

And far far more affordable than using humans.

Also it's a cat.
 
2021-04-19 2:54:24 PM  

austerity101: ajgeek: Mad_Radhu: Seems like the Japanese solved this problem years ago.

[Fark user image image 425x318]

That wouldn't work in the U.S. I give it about 14 nanoseconds before some mouth breather intentionally sneezes/snots/coughs over every incoming tray, ruining thousands of dollars of meals.

That said, I think the Automat has real potential for a comeback.

We have lots of these in the US.


Where?
 
2021-04-19 3:03:55 PM  

Hyjamon: Mikey1969: No it isn't illegal. It sucks, but it's not illegal in any way. As long as your assumed wages from tips + 2.13/hour equals or exceeds minimum wage, that's all that matters. If you work 5 hours and make $75 in tips plus $10.65 in hourly, you've made $85.65, which is $17.13/hour. That's all they go by. There isn't an hour by hour breakdown of which job you did. It's shiatty, but 100% legal.

I have a sneaking suspicion that it is not 100% legal.

What happens if the workers say fark you and don't do the extra two hours.  are you going to dock their pay for those two hours they didn't work when they weren't on the clock?


You workers say 'Fark you', and they suddenly have to find a new job, just like everywhere else in the world. And even if you don't fire them, if they leave without doing the sidework, then they don't get paid for those hours since they're not there. Restaurant work isn't a salary position, you only get paid for the hours you work. And they're always on the clock. You don't do sidework for free, you do it on the clock for that shiatty $2.13/hour.
 
2021-04-19 3:07:32 PM  

TheFoz: Mikey1969: mongbiohazard: echo5mike: They also don't pay them for the hour or two of sidework they must do AFTER their shift.

Which is both illegal, and depressingly common.

No it isn't illegal. It sucks, but it's not illegal in any way. As long as your assumed wages from tips + 2.13/hour equals or exceeds minimum wage, that's all that matters. If you work 5 hours and make $75 in tips plus $10.65 in hourly, you've made $85.65, which is $17.13/hour. That's all they go by. There isn't an hour by hour breakdown of which job you did. It's shiatty, but 100% legal.

Yup.

I worked at a brew pub after my first college go round and while I went back for another degree.  Started off BOH as food expo and FOH server assistant.  Both were I think around $5.50 an hour plus tips from the servers and bartenders.  It was decent money depending upon the shift.

Then I moved into serving, which I hated as a natural introvert.  Started off at $2.13 an hour but for every $100,000 in gross sales you got a $.50 an hour raise.  Whooo hoooo!

Think I made it to $4.13 an hour by the time I got a "real" job.  The nice thing was when you got "cut" from your shift you could start on your side work while just waiting out your last tables.  Rolling silverware was usually the last job and managers let you order an employee pint ($2 for 20 oz. pint) as soon as you were cut so you got paid to drink beer and just wait out your last tables.

Loved working there.  Now I'm just an office drone.

/Lame Story Bro


Yeah, I had a restaurant that I truly enjoyed working at. Small operation, only two locations, so you got to see the owner quite regularly, and he was a great guy to work for. Good beer, too. We were in downtown Phoenix, right by the arena, so we had a ton of sports fans, who were a great bunch of people to wait on. If I still lived in Phx, and the place was still open, I'd work there as a second job for the money and because I liked working there.
 
2021-04-19 3:52:16 PM  

Mikey1969: You workers say 'Fark you', and they suddenly have to find a new job, just like everywhere else in the world. And even if you don't fire them, if they leave without doing the sidework, then they don't get paid for those hours since they're not there. Restaurant work isn't a salary position, you only get paid for the hours you work. And they're always on the clock. You don't do sidework for free, you do it on the clock for that shiatty $2.13/hour.


I get the working for 2.13 an hour rolling silverware while not able to get tips.  1) that hour needs to be paid at min wage. 2) I read the initial story as you are rolling silverware off the clock, which is flatly wrong.

The partial wage for that hour assumes you can earn tips that hour.  if you are not waiting tables and strictly doing side work with no potential to earn a tip.  You should be paid full min wage That is more wage theft.
 
2021-04-19 3:52:26 PM  

badplaid: Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.

Who programs the robots and cleans and maintains them? What level of memory and hardware is in them so that they can stay robust and viable? 2-3 year old phones and smart TVs start to perform wonky due to the lack of upgrades and the push of new software and bloatware. What happens when someone comes in and accidentally breaks one or gets hurt by one?


I think you should compare to 2-3 year old automobiles rather than 2-3 year old phones or smart TVs.  (I mean, today I don't see a huge problem with 2-3 year old Teslas...yet...)
 
2021-04-19 4:00:25 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

Self correction... I thought it said $30k/ea... Still, $30k for a dump like that is a serious expense.


I'd totally try a place with robot servers. I know they wouldn't be spreading Covid and I wouldn't have to tip them. Food service is a suck job (low pay for dealing with crappy, abusive customers) that should be done by machines.

Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.


Except wait staff are paid $2/hour, so it'll take 7.5 years to pay off. If minimum wage gets raised to $15/hour, waitstaff will STILL make $2/hour.

Linux_Yes: covalesj: Linux_Yes: covalesj: Small note.. I think increasing the minimum wage is important..but... realize it will accelerate the above item (automation of the trivial jobs). We have to start talking about universal basic income now, and also how we are going to keep Scientology, religions and cults from enslaving people for their UBI.

Automation is the top destroyer of jobs.

Not outsourcing

I...am confused on your response -- I think you are agreeing with me? Who brought up outsourcing?

Yes
So many believe outsourcing is taking their jobs and keeping min wage low.


You realize that it can be both, right? Automation took a lot of jobs, and moving all manufacturing jobs to China took a lot of jobs. Both took jobs of unskilled laborers, which is why unskilled labor has an employment issue.
 
2021-04-19 4:31:43 PM  

badplaid: Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.

Who programs the robots and cleans and maintains them? What level of memory and hardware is in them so that they can stay robust and viable? 2-3 year old phones and smart TVs start to perform wonky due to the lack of upgrades and the push of new software and bloatware. What happens when someone comes in and accidentally breaks one or gets hurt by one?


That would be part of the contract, service and maintenance covered. The most the user would have to do(most likely, unless it's a shiat company) is reboots and basic troubleshooting if something basic stopped working.
 
2021-04-19 4:48:40 PM  
What I'm hearing is that there needs to be a robot that rolls silverware.

/I worked at Dead Slobster for a few months in college. farking hated it. All the crap shifts, crap tables, and an hour of sidework for every three hours of service. I never did hit minimum wage with tips. They were farking horrible. I will say, though, that the food and kitchen was actually quite clean compared to other places I worked.
 
2021-04-19 5:35:49 PM  

Hyjamon: Mikey1969: You workers say 'Fark you', and they suddenly have to find a new job, just like everywhere else in the world. And even if you don't fire them, if they leave without doing the sidework, then they don't get paid for those hours since they're not there. Restaurant work isn't a salary position, you only get paid for the hours you work. And they're always on the clock. You don't do sidework for free, you do it on the clock for that shiatty $2.13/hour.

I get the working for 2.13 an hour rolling silverware while not able to get tips.  1) that hour needs to be paid at min wage. 2) I read the initial story as you are rolling silverware off the clock, which is flatly wrong.

The partial wage for that hour assumes you can earn tips that hour.  if you are not waiting tables and strictly doing side work with no potential to earn a tip.  You should be paid full min wage That is more wage theft.


It would be great if it was structured that way. Unfortunately, it's for your overall shift totals, rather than per hour. I agree that they need to change it, though...
 
2021-04-19 5:38:47 PM  

Orallo: NewportBarGuy: A strip mall Hep C factory could afford $90k for three robots? LOL... Yeah, this seems like a very well researched article.

15$ x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 31200$ (and robots can be made work a heck of a lot more than 40 hours a week...)

He's already saving money! the robots are paid-for within the first year, after that is free labor... maybe a little maintenance... but... free labor.

Its the way things to come.  It aint gonna be easy or pretty, but its coming.


I actually feel like a dick for the Weeners. Restaurants are having a hard time and don't need me shiatting on them.

I can totally understand trying to find alternative solutions. Instead of crapping on them, I actually hope it works and they can survive and keep the staff employed.
 
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