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2021-04-19 1:34:54 PM  
I'd laugh and laugh if Amazon got in enough trouble over this to shut down this specific factory.

I mean it won't happen but I'd laugh. And laugh.
 
2021-04-19 2:14:28 PM  
This is just a run-through for the 2022 Elections from the GQP.

"If you vote on Tuesday, don't come in Wednesday."
 
2021-04-19 2:22:59 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: This is just a run-through for the 2022 Elections from the GQP.

"If you vote on Tuesday, don't come in Wednesday."


"WOOOHOO SIX DAY WEEKEND!"
 
2021-04-19 3:20:51 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: This is just a run-through for the 2022 Elections from the GQP.

"If you vote on Tuesday, don't come in Wednesday."


If Amazon is a republican sleeper cell testing their russian election systems, we MUST move for the BidenHarris to shut down all of amazon immediately.  Including AWS.  We MUST fortify our elections against russian influence.  The Putin must not be able to pleasure himself with all our collective butt holes this time around.
 
2021-04-19 3:26:55 PM  
3000 cards collected showing interest, only 730 votes for the union.
 
2021-04-19 3:38:11 PM  

thehobbes: 3000 cards collected showing interest, only 730 votes for the union.


It's almost like the union people don't want to accept the fact they lost here.
 
2021-04-19 3:42:52 PM  

puffy999: I'd laugh and laugh if Amazon got in enough trouble over this to shut down this specific factory.

I mean it won't happen but I'd laugh. And laugh.


1. Not a factory, it's a high pressure fulfillment center.
2. Why would that make you laugh? Please be specific. What part of your hypothetical coming true would be funny to you?
 
2021-04-19 3:53:47 PM  

kdawg7736: thehobbes: 3000 cards collected showing interest, only 730 votes for the union.

It's almost like the union people don't want to accept the fact they lost here.


"The RWDSU alleges that Amazon emailed employees illegally threatening that, if workers unionized, the company would lay off 75 percent of the people who petitioned for the union, and that Amazon's "agents" (presumably from top anti-union firms) told workers that the warehouse would close."

Yeah, I'd be pissed too. 3000 workers showed interest in unionization. Amazon used the 2 months to leverage and spread false information and likely broke the law. 5000+ employees, about half voted at all, in an issue with daily reminders and meetings about it.
 
2021-04-19 3:55:52 PM  
So, what, they do the election over, giving Alabammy workers a chance to be timid and shortsighted a second time?
 
2021-04-19 3:57:59 PM  
Looks like the RWDSU is going the Trump route.
 
2021-04-19 4:07:56 PM  
I doubt that Amazon came right out and said they would layoff or fire workers but I'm also sure the possibility was put into the minds of the workers.  This is a common tactic to circulate rumors of threatened layoffs or plant closures should the workforce unionize.  I think that ultimately the union lost because they could not make the case that unionization would be worthwhile for the average worker; that there would be a return on their investment of the union dues they would have to pay.  Added to that the fact that there is a large turnover of workers and that the wages Amazon pays is not the main complaint, makes it hard to unionize.
 
2021-04-19 4:33:23 PM  

runwiz: I doubt that Amazon came right out and said they would layoff or fire workers but I'm also sure the possibility was put into the minds of the workers.  This is a common tactic to circulate rumors of threatened layoffs or plant closures should the workforce unionize.  I think that ultimately the union lost because they could not make the case that unionization would be worthwhile for the average worker; that there would be a return on their investment of the union dues they would have to pay.  Added to that the fact that there is a large turnover of workers and that the wages Amazon pays is not the main complaint, makes it hard to unionize.


They hired consultants to help bust the union effort. That firm is guaranteed to have skirted as close as it could to the edge to defeat the vote. They may have even gone over the edge a couple times, and that has the slimmest of chances of farking with Amazon. Realistically nothing is going to happen, unless they get lucky and someone gives up some goods.

The firms that are hired to fight unionizing often employ tactics that would make the Stasi blush.
 
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2021-04-19 4:51:36 PM  
Time to unleash the Kraken?
 
2021-04-19 4:55:35 PM  
I'm not at all surprised more people signed cards than voted to unionize. The union people put a lot of social pressure on workers to sign those cards, and I'm sure a lot of those workers signed them knowing they could secretly vote against it.

If Amazon sent e-mails threatening to close, why hasn't the Union produced any for this story?

What I actually laugh about is one of the groups that donates so much to the Democrats is accusing Amazon of ballot harvesting. First time the Left has ever been against it.
 
2021-04-19 5:04:17 PM  

mybluemake: puffy999: I'd laugh and laugh if Amazon got in enough trouble over this to shut down this specific factory.

I mean it won't happen but I'd laugh. And laugh.

1. Not a factory, it's a high pressure fulfillment center.
2. Why would that make you laugh? Please be specific. What part of your hypothetical coming true would be funny to you?


Because we (blue states) are funding them (low wage, low education red states) so that they can heartily guffaw at unions. It would be mildly amusing to see the feds bite them over this.

I would take the most humor out of a other American corporation leaving behind a giant empty building after the employees STILL SUCKED THEM OFF and said "please sir, may we have some more?" It would be like what Foxxconn WAS going to do to Wisconsin except, you know, in this case stuff actually got built and employees were actually hired.
 
2021-04-19 5:06:45 PM  
"Heeeey, fellow Amazon warehouse worker. You should make sure to vote. Don't worry, it's totally anonymous"

"So, we noticed that you haven't voted. Do you plan to?"

Between something like that and people barely making it on the $15/hr, possibly being one of the best paying jobs they ever had, being asked to give some of that money up for dues could result in the outcome shown.
 
2021-04-19 5:25:27 PM  
WAIT!

I thought contesting the vote was Unamerican!   At least that's what I've been told over and over again since November!
 
2021-04-19 5:28:02 PM  

Chevello: "Heeeey, fellow Amazon warehouse worker. You should make sure to vote. Don't worry, it's totally anonymous"

"So, we noticed that you haven't voted. Do you plan to?"

Between something like that and people barely making it on the $15/hr, possibly being one of the best paying jobs they ever had, being asked to give some of that money up for dues could result in the outcome shown.


They don't have to pay dues in that state to be in a union.
 
2021-04-19 5:40:47 PM  

puffy999: mybluemake: puffy999: I'd laugh and laugh if Amazon got in enough trouble over this to shut down this specific factory.

I mean it won't happen but I'd laugh. And laugh.

1. Not a factory, it's a high pressure fulfillment center.
2. Why would that make you laugh? Please be specific. What part of your hypothetical coming true would be funny to you?

Because we (blue states) are funding them (low wage, low education red states) so that they can heartily guffaw at unions. It would be mildly amusing to see the feds bite them over this.

I would take the most humor out of a other American corporation leaving behind a giant empty building after the employees STILL SUCKED THEM OFF and said "please sir, may we have some more?" It would be like what Foxxconn WAS going to do to Wisconsin except, you know, in this case stuff actually got built and employees were actually hired.


Not a fan of the fark those people who happen to live in that state mentality, but you do you, man. Bessemer is in Jefferson county, AL, though.  Next to Birmingham. Check how those folks vote.
 
2021-04-19 5:43:03 PM  
This shows why the secret ballot is an essential tool to protect worker rights.  The unions have a far easier time intimidating people to sign a card than actually convincing them to form a union and give up their individual contract rights.  If the unions had their way, the secret ballot would be abolished and replaced by card check.
 
2021-04-19 5:44:24 PM  

inglixthemad: runwiz: I doubt that Amazon came right out and said they would layoff or fire workers but I'm also sure the possibility was put into the minds of the workers.  This is a common tactic to circulate rumors of threatened layoffs or plant closures should the workforce unionize.  I think that ultimately the union lost because they could not make the case that unionization would be worthwhile for the average worker; that there would be a return on their investment of the union dues they would have to pay.  Added to that the fact that there is a large turnover of workers and that the wages Amazon pays is not the main complaint, makes it hard to unionize.

They hired consultants to help bust the union effort. That firm is guaranteed to have skirted as close as it could to the edge to defeat the vote. They may have even gone over the edge a couple times, and that has the slimmest of chances of farking with Amazon. Realistically nothing is going to happen, unless they get lucky and someone gives up some goods.

The firms that are hired to fight unionizing often employ tactics that would make the Stasi blush.


I don't know that I'd use consultants as the placeholder for Pinkerton agents.
 
2021-04-19 7:04:05 PM  
I imagine the vote happening in Alabama is the reason Amazon allowed  the vote to happen at all. Not the most union friendly folk there.

If this came up in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania the site probably would have had a tragic fire closing it for months, or more.
 
2021-04-19 7:07:16 PM  
How much cheap Chinese-made junk did Amazon give away to astroturf this fark thread? Considering it is a fark thread, y'all aren't getting more than like 17 cents worth of crap for this, are you? Did you get this task on mechanical turk, or somewhere else?
 
2021-04-19 7:15:47 PM  

thehobbes: kdawg7736: thehobbes: 3000 cards collected showing interest, only 730 votes for the union.

It's almost like the union people don't want to accept the fact they lost here.

"The RWDSU alleges that Amazon emailed employees illegally threatening that, if workers unionized, the company would lay off 75 percent of the people who petitioned for the union, and that Amazon's "agents" (presumably from top anti-union firms) told workers that the warehouse would close."

Yeah, I'd be pissed too. 3000 workers showed interest in unionization. Amazon used the 2 months to leverage and spread false information and likely broke the law. 5000+ employees, about half voted at all, in an issue with daily reminders and meetings about it.


Likely? Threatening their jobs in an attempt to prevent them from organising is a flagrant violation of the National Labor Relations Act 1935.

The owner of Barstool Sports was ripped to shreds for that one.

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2021-04-19 7:59:45 PM  
These kind of threads reminds me how few farkers work low level jobs. Amazon is the current whipping boy because of their size. I've read the complaints from employees and none of them are out of the ordinary for retail work.

If Amazon closes its facility, the horrible truth is that the employees are going to find other jobs that treat them exactly the same for $8/hr instead of $15/hr. That's why they voted no, the employees who've worked other places know they have as close to a good thing as one can get in retail.
 
2021-04-19 8:45:57 PM  

mybluemake: puffy999: I'd laugh and laugh if Amazon got in enough trouble over this to shut down this specific factory.

I mean it won't happen but I'd laugh. And laugh.

1. Not a factory, it's a high pressure fulfillment center.
2. Why would that make you laugh? Please be specific. What part of your hypothetical coming true would be funny to you?


It's a factory for filling bixes.
 
2021-04-19 9:48:18 PM  

alienated: Chevello: "Heeeey, fellow Amazon warehouse worker. You should make sure to vote. Don't worry, it's totally anonymous"

"So, we noticed that you haven't voted. Do you plan to?"

Between something like that and people barely making it on the $15/hr, possibly being one of the best paying jobs they ever had, being asked to give some of that money up for dues could result in the outcome shown.

They don't have to pay dues in that state to be in a union.


TIL
 
2021-04-20 12:03:14 AM  
Did the union go door to door and tell them what they would fight for?
 
2021-04-20 12:04:06 AM  

rightClick: I imagine the vote happening in Alabama is the reason Amazon allowed  the vote to happen at all. Not the most union friendly folk there.

If this came up in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania the site probably would have closed had a tragic fire closing it for months, or more.


FTFY
 
2021-04-20 9:28:06 AM  
One thing I haven't seen or read about this is what specifically the workers would get with a union?  20$/hr pay?  More vacation days?  What?  It all seems to be simply and vaguely that the union will represent the workers!!!  Also, how much are union dues?  And if union dues are not *required*..... what's the highly *suggested* amount?
 
2021-04-20 10:00:26 AM  
While I have not doubt that Amazon used every dirty trick in the book to ensure the vote went there way, I'm also equally certain that they dotted their 'i's and crossed their 't's to ensure that none of their actions actually violated labor law.  Thus, I doubt the union will have that much of a case.

Unions are going to have to up their game vs an opponent like Amazon.  Unlike their traditional foes, Amazon can run advanced analytics on its employee base to best target which segments will be at risk of unionizing and when they would be likely to unionize.  The union lost this vote 3 years ago, when Amazon began taking preventive actions well in advance of the ballet.
 
2021-04-20 10:22:19 AM  

Tom-Servo: One thing I haven't seen or read about this is what specifically the workers would get with a union?  20$/hr pay?  More vacation days?  What?  It all seems to be simply and vaguely that the union will represent the workers!!!  Also, how much are union dues?  And if union dues are not *required*..... what's the highly *suggested* amount?


They have. That's why we're talking about it now.

Tom-Servo: One thing I haven't seen or read about this is what specifically the workers would get with a union?  20$/hr pay?  More vacation days?  What?  It all seems to be simply and vaguely that the union will represent the workers!!!  Also, how much are union dues?  And if union dues are not *required*..... what's the highly *suggested* amount?


The protections allotted through the NLRB. Ability to collectively bargain.
 
2021-04-20 10:22:58 AM  

Korzine: These kind of threads reminds me how few farkers work low level jobs. Amazon is the current whipping boy because of their size. I've read the complaints from employees and none of them are out of the ordinary for retail work.

If Amazon closes its facility, the horrible truth is that the employees are going to find other jobs that treat them exactly the same for $8/hr instead of $15/hr. That's why they voted no, the employees who've worked other places know they have as close to a good thing as one can get in retail.


You misrepresent what Amazon is doing to their employees.  I know a few people who actually work for them and you are absolutely lying when you say its the same as other retail work.
 
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