Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Screen Rant)   "Wyatt Russell Joined the MCU Because He Knew Fans Would Hate John Walker"   (screenrant.com) divider line
    More: Misc, Captain America, John Walker actor Wyatt Russell, end of the first episode, Bucky, Bucky Barnes, events of the episodes, titular heroes Sam Wilson, gray area  
•       •       •

1044 clicks; posted to Fandom » on 19 Apr 2021 at 1:06 PM (4 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



43 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2021-04-19 12:24:23 PM  
As he explained, he really wanted to explore the character's "grey area," a unique character dimension Walker has which attempts to display his human side. In episode 5, "Truth," when Walker is being stripped of all titles following the events of episode 4, he pleads that he was only doing what was asked of him and what the U.S. government trained him to do. Russell's portrayal of a broken man trying to justify his own horrific actions shows audiences that his character is struggling with finding a moral backbone separate from what he was taught as a military man.

I didn't view it that way at all.  He seemed completely unrepentant.  I can't even say I truly buy that he was blaming the government as an excuse.  His tone was accusatory and hostile - like he was pissed they didn't stand up for what he did.  He didn't merely want justification - he wanted validation.

Also, that casting choice [don't want to spoil] that was introduced?  

media2.giphy.comView Full Size
 
2021-04-19 1:12:50 PM  

Diogenes: As he explained, he really wanted to explore the character's "grey area," a unique character dimension Walker has which attempts to display his human side. In episode 5, "Truth," when Walker is being stripped of all titles following the events of episode 4, he pleads that he was only doing what was asked of him and what the U.S. government trained him to do. Russell's portrayal of a broken man trying to justify his own horrific actions shows audiences that his character is struggling with finding a moral backbone separate from what he was taught as a military man.

I didn't view it that way at all.  He seemed completely unrepentant.  I can't even say I truly buy that he was blaming the government as an excuse.  His tone was accusatory and hostile - like he was pissed they didn't stand up for what he did.  He didn't merely want justification - he wanted validation.

Also, that casting choice [don't want to spoil] that was introduced?

[media2.giphy.com image 480x360] [View Full Size image _x_]


Agreed just don't let said person have a dance meme like Zemo.
When can we discuss this? It's been 72 hours since it dropped.
 
2021-04-19 1:14:12 PM  
*he'srightyouknow.jpg*
 
2021-04-19 1:17:38 PM  

eagles95: Diogenes: As he explained, he really wanted to explore the character's "grey area," a unique character dimension Walker has which attempts to display his human side. In episode 5, "Truth," when Walker is being stripped of all titles following the events of episode 4, he pleads that he was only doing what was asked of him and what the U.S. government trained him to do. Russell's portrayal of a broken man trying to justify his own horrific actions shows audiences that his character is struggling with finding a moral backbone separate from what he was taught as a military man.

I didn't view it that way at all.  He seemed completely unrepentant.  I can't even say I truly buy that he was blaming the government as an excuse.  His tone was accusatory and hostile - like he was pissed they didn't stand up for what he did.  He didn't merely want justification - he wanted validation.

Also, that casting choice [don't want to spoil] that was introduced?

[media2.giphy.com image 480x360] [View Full Size image _x_]

Agreed just don't let said person have a dance meme like Zemo.
When can we discuss this? It's been 72 hours since it dropped.


I imagine that when any actor gets a call from Marvel Studios, they answer with "Yes, I'd love to have the part. Also, hello. So, what's the role?"
 
2021-04-19 1:22:20 PM  
Except that he's already got a significant fan club who thinks he's right.
 
2021-04-19 1:22:59 PM  
He's doing a great job with the role either way from the reactions I've seen.

The casting choice was not announced to my knowledge.  But then neither was Evan Peters.
 
2021-04-19 1:42:32 PM  

Diogenes: As he explained, he really wanted to explore the character's "grey area," a unique character dimension Walker has which attempts to display his human side. In episode 5, "Truth," when Walker is being stripped of all titles following the events of episode 4, he pleads that he was only doing what was asked of him and what the U.S. government trained him to do. Russell's portrayal of a broken man trying to justify his own horrific actions shows audiences that his character is struggling with finding a moral backbone separate from what he was taught as a military man.

I didn't view it that way at all.  He seemed completely unrepentant.  I can't even say I truly buy that he was blaming the government as an excuse.  His tone was accusatory and hostile - like he was pissed they didn't stand up for what he did.  He didn't merely want justification - he wanted validation.

Also, that casting choice [don't want to spoil] that was introduced?  

[media2.giphy.com image 480x360] [View Full Size image _x_]


Of course he is. But you see, that's the sign that he's having trouble with it. He wants validation that he's still a good and moral person, who made a righteous decision. A real monster would be indifferent, or even laughing about it. Think Red Skull murdering his subordinate who reported they fought to the last man.

Walker, on some level, knows he's crossed the line. He knows he's in the wrong, horribly so. He's lying to himself, his wife, and the family of his best friend about who he killed and why. He's telling them that was the one who killed Lamar, when it wasn't it was just a random Flagsmasher minion. He killed him for revenge, retribution against Karli, not justice, not because he had no choice - but that's not the story he's telling everyone, even himself.

Walker wants to be the hero. He wants to be the noble warrior fighting for justice. He can't recognize or accept that he's fallen. He can't admit he has done wrong. No redemption is possible until he faces what he has done and what he has become.

All this is why he's grey. He's literally a stained hero.
 
2021-04-19 1:43:25 PM  
FTFA:  Walker uses the shield to kill a member of the Flag-Smashers in a Latvian town square after his sidekick, Lemar Hoskins, a.k.a. Battlestar (Clé Bennett), was accidentally killed.


Didn't seem like an accident to me.  He was flung across the room during super-hero fisticuffs.
 
2021-04-19 1:58:57 PM  

KiltedBastich: Of course he is. But you see, that's the sign that he's having trouble with it. He wants validation that he's still a good and moral person, who made a righteous decision. A real monster would be indifferent, or even laughing about it. Think Red Skull murdering his subordinate who reported they fought to the last man.

Walker, on some level, knows he's crossed the line. He knows he's in the wrong, horribly so. He's lying to himself, his wife, and the family of his best friend about who he killed and why. He's telling them that was the one who killed Lamar, when it wasn't it was just a random Flagsmasher minion. He killed him for revenge, retribution against Karli, not justice, not because he had no choice - but that's not the story he's telling everyone, even himself.

Walker wants to be the hero. He wants to be the noble warrior fighting for justice. He can't recognize or accept that he's fallen. He can't admit he has done wrong. No redemption is possible until he faces what he has done and what he has become.

All this is why he's grey. He's literally a stained hero.


Agree with all this. This is a guy trained to be what he is, who had tremendous pressure put on his shoulders, who recognized the importance of who he was being asked to be, who cracked, and then had the worst aspects of himself amplified by the serum and leaned into it rather than fight it.

Now he's fighting and defensive because he can't face his own failure.

He's one of those "could have been a hero if he made a different choice" characters.

He chose his own dark path, making him a villain, but I think it's a case where he's a tragic villain. He wanted to be a good guy, but he wasn't strong enough to follow through and live it (especially on Cap's level).

Redemption will be difficult for him ... and that's assuming he doesn't go all Thunderbolts on us or something.

I can't wait to see how this resolves.
 
2021-04-19 2:24:24 PM  
Honestly... I'm fine with what he did. Guy deserved it. Tony Stark has been committing extrajudicial mass-murder since the first movie. Wanda is a war criminal. Loki tried to enslave the entire planet and he's the hero of his own show.
 
2021-04-19 2:26:11 PM  
I want to see if a welded together hubcap flies around with amazing precision. Or just bonks against a pillar, then drops and wobbles on the floor like a dropped penny.

That would be Great.
 
2021-04-19 2:55:30 PM  
I hope they plan to keep the character around and do a decent redemption arc for him, while retaining his asshole personality, because I've been a fan of the actor (never cared too much for US Agent). It's a good opportunity to address what we actually train and build our soldiers to do - and that they're not police or super-heroes. He was a decent/flawed man and great soldier - kind of a mid-point between Steve Rogers and Red Skull.
 
2021-04-19 2:58:22 PM  

Michael J Faux: Tony Stark has been committing extrajudicial mass-murder since the first movie.


He never killed anyone in cold blood, as far as I can recall, nor out of pure rage and anger. He killed terrorists and criminals actively attacking him or actively threatening others.

Wanda is a war criminal.

A fugitive, yes, though not a war criminal.

And one of the whole points of WandaVision is that what she did was wrong and that it sent her into some questionable gray area at best and into full villainhood at worst. The show made clear that even though her actions were triggered by deep trauma, that didn't make it okay and she farked up lives in doing it.

Hell, it ended with her going into hiding as a result of her actions.

Loki tried to enslave the entire planet and he's the hero of his own show.

Being the protagonist is not the same as being the hero.

Even the trailer makes clear this Loki is still a villain and that no one trusts him for good reason.

"Guy deserved it" has "stop resisting" vibes to me. The guy Walker killed wasn't aggressive, wasn't the one who killed Lamar, and was fully subdued.

It wasn't justice or justified defense, it was a cold-blooded murder.
 
2021-04-19 3:03:21 PM  

Wobambo: It's a good opportunity to address what we actually train and build our soldiers to do - and that they're not police or super-heroes. He was a decent/flawed man and great soldier - kind of a mid-point between Steve Rogers and Red Skull.


I liked the scene when he was being court-martialed, because it wasn't simple or black and white. Some of what he was saying re: what he was trained to do and what he was expected to be was correct and on target.

But he was also so unable to control his own anger, even when defending a cold-blooded murder that also came from unbridled rage, that he undermined his own points and made clear he had become a loose cannon.

It's such a great balance between revulsion at his actions while still understanding how he reached that point.

I hope the character sticks around, too. There is still a lot more to explore here.
 
2021-04-19 3:28:14 PM  

shoegaze99: The show made clear that even though her actions were triggered by deep trauma, that didn't make it okay and she farked up lives in doing it.


I disagree that the show "made that clear".  Wanda objectively came out ahead in the end.

Now I'll agree that FANS made it clear (so you really don't have to rush in and say "nuh uh", we've covered this repeatedly).

But the SHOW did not.  The show itself only presented Wanda as a justified protagonist.
 
2021-04-19 3:38:59 PM  

skyotter: But the SHOW did not.  The show itself only presented Wanda as a justified protagonist.


The fact that the show not only repeatedly showed that people were suffering under her control, but that the pivotal moments after her victory over Agatha were spent hearing directly from residents of Westview telling Wanda that she was a monster who had deeply victimized them (shortly after Agatha herself said "heroes don't torture people"), kind of undermines that point of view.

The show never suggests she was justified. Explaining how she got to that point isn't justifying it, it's simply showing how she reached the point where she was making such awful decisions, just as showing the steps that led to Walker breaking doesn't justify his murder, it simply shows us how he got to that place.
 
2021-04-19 3:53:31 PM  

Seequinn: He's doing a great job with the role either way from the reactions I've seen.

The casting choice was not announced to my knowledge.  But then neither was Evan Peters.


[REDACTED] had no choice but to play along saying: "Swinging around on wires and kicking people in the face...shooting fire out of whatever you shoot fire out of. I would dig that."
 
2021-04-19 3:58:36 PM  

shoegaze99: skyotter: But the SHOW did not.  The show itself only presented Wanda as a justified protagonist.

The fact that the show not only repeatedly showed that people were suffering under her control, but that the pivotal moments after her victory over Agatha were spent hearing directly from residents of Westview telling Wanda that she was a monster who had deeply victimized them (shortly after Agatha herself said "heroes don't torture people"), kind of undermines that point of view.

The show never suggests she was justified. Explaining how she got to that point isn't justifying it, it's simply showing how she reached the point where she was making such awful decisions, just as showing the steps that led to Walker breaking doesn't justify his murder, it simply shows us how he got to that place.


People also seem to forget that these are also stories for children in some fashion. So showing how even the best of us can make mistakes, lash out, hurt others out of grief, etc. but then make amends and change. In other words, we're talking about:
Ben Affleck fictional characters
Youtube ZzmxUXvE3m4
 
2021-04-19 3:59:06 PM  

Diogenes: Seequinn: He's doing a great job with the role either way from the reactions I've seen.

The casting choice was not announced to my knowledge.  But then neither was Evan Peters.

[REDACTED] had no choice but to play along saying: "Swinging around on wires and kicking people in the face...shooting fire out of whatever you shoot fire out of. I would dig that."


This is excellent. I liked her cameo and enjoyed the tease we got of the character. Funny but not comedic, sinister but not mustache-twirling evil. Feels like there is a lot of potential for her as a non-super villain. Real glad to hear that there is more to come.
 
2021-04-19 4:02:21 PM  
He's very good at his job, because I farking hate him.
 
2021-04-19 4:06:00 PM  

shoegaze99: The guy Walker killed wasn't aggressive, wasn't the one who killed Lamar, and was fully subdued.


Is anybody ever really "subdued" anymore?   Seems like people (heroes and villains alike) can get out of anything nowadays...


shoegaze99: I liked the scene when he was being court-martialed


Point of order:   it wasn't actually a court martial (in fact, there was a line in there that specifically implied "you're lucky you're not being court martialled")
 
2021-04-19 4:23:00 PM  

Embden.Meyerhof: shoegaze99: The guy Walker killed wasn't aggressive, wasn't the one who killed Lamar, and was fully subdued.

Is anybody ever really "subdued" anymore?   Seems like people (heroes and villains alike) can get out of anything nowadays...


I'd say he was subdued, yes.

He was running away and had his back to Walker when hit the first time. On the ground for subsequent hits. The first brutal hit came with him on the ground, under Walker's boot, with his hands in the air, surrendering. He's shown in a split second shot after that initial strike to be unconscious. Walker still hits him after that. At least four full blows with the shield while the man was on the ground.

shoegaze99: I liked the scene when he was being court-martialed

Point of order:   it wasn't actually a court martial (in fact, there was a line in there that specifically implied "you're lucky you're not being court martialled")


*shakes angry little fist*
 
2021-04-19 4:27:43 PM  

shoegaze99: KiltedBastich: Of course he is. But you see, that's the sign that he's having trouble with it. He wants validation that he's still a good and moral person, who made a righteous decision. A real monster would be indifferent, or even laughing about it. Think Red Skull murdering his subordinate who reported they fought to the last man.

Walker, on some level, knows he's crossed the line. He knows he's in the wrong, horribly so. He's lying to himself, his wife, and the family of his best friend about who he killed and why. He's telling them that was the one who killed Lamar, when it wasn't it was just a random Flagsmasher minion. He killed him for revenge, retribution against Karli, not justice, not because he had no choice - but that's not the story he's telling everyone, even himself.

Walker wants to be the hero. He wants to be the noble warrior fighting for justice. He can't recognize or accept that he's fallen. He can't admit he has done wrong. No redemption is possible until he faces what he has done and what he has become.

All this is why he's grey. He's literally a stained hero.

Agree with all this. This is a guy trained to be what he is, who had tremendous pressure put on his shoulders, who recognized the importance of who he was being asked to be, who cracked, and then had the worst aspects of himself amplified by the serum and leaned into it rather than fight it.

Now he's fighting and defensive because he can't face his own failure.

He's one of those "could have been a hero if he made a different choice" characters.

He chose his own dark path, making him a villain, but I think it's a case where he's a tragic villain. He wanted to be a good guy, but he wasn't strong enough to follow through and live it (especially on Cap's level).

Redemption will be difficult for him ... and that's assuming he doesn't go all Thunderbolts on us or something.

I can't wait to see how this resolves.


I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're moving towards Dark Reign story after Kang. Maybe collapse Kang into Secret Invasion and let them flow?
 
2021-04-19 5:24:56 PM  

skyotter: Except that he's already got a significant fan club who thinks he's right.


Probably the same yobs that put unlicensed punisher skulls all the fark over everything.
 
2021-04-19 5:55:38 PM  

TelemonianAjax: I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're ...


According to leaks, at least we're getting tie-in toys & figurines of Walker as US Agent, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Baron Zero with a purple mask & codeword book.

How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.
 
2021-04-19 6:24:33 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: TelemonianAjax: I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're ...

According to leaks, at least we're getting tie-in toys & figurines of Walker as US Agent, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Baron Zero with a purple mask & codeword book.

How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.


I think they're anticipating taking a loss on the series but then recouping it later on movies starring characters that felt like less of a sure thing without that buildup. Just my guess.
 
2021-04-19 6:35:40 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.


They supposedly have 100 million subscribers now, and while not all of them are signed up for any one show, they're still paying the rough equivalent of a movie ticket every month to stay signed up. Each of these shows has the budget of a movie and lasts two months.

And there are no theaters getting a cut.

So let's say just 30% of subscribers are on board just for one specific show. At $8 a month spread across two months, each show is bringing in $480 million spread across two months ... and again, no theaters to take a cut.

Then factor in the people signed up because they like the total package, the shows and everything else, and that's even more.

So math wise, it seems to be little different than making a movie, they've just swapped movie tickets for subscriptions.
 
2021-04-19 8:16:20 PM  

KiltedBastich: Diogenes: As he explained, he really wanted to explore the character's "grey area," a unique character dimension Walker has which attempts to display his human side. In episode 5, "Truth," when Walker is being stripped of all titles following the events of episode 4, he pleads that he was only doing what was asked of him and what the U.S. government trained him to do. Russell's portrayal of a broken man trying to justify his own horrific actions shows audiences that his character is struggling with finding a moral backbone separate from what he was taught as a military man.

I didn't view it that way at all.  He seemed completely unrepentant.  I can't even say I truly buy that he was blaming the government as an excuse.  His tone was accusatory and hostile - like he was pissed they didn't stand up for what he did.  He didn't merely want justification - he wanted validation.

Also, that casting choice [don't want to spoil] that was introduced?  

[media2.giphy.com image 480x360] [View Full Size image _x_]

Of course he is. But you see, that's the sign that he's having trouble with it. He wants validation that he's still a good and moral person, who made a righteous decision. A real monster would be indifferent, or even laughing about it. Think Red Skull murdering his subordinate who reported they fought to the last man.

Walker, on some level, knows he's crossed the line. He knows he's in the wrong, horribly so. He's lying to himself, his wife, and the family of his best friend about who he killed and why. He's telling them that was the one who killed Lamar, when it wasn't it was just a random Flagsmasher minion. He killed him for revenge, retribution against Karli, not justice, not because he had no choice - but that's not the story he's telling everyone, even himself.

Walker wants to be the hero. He wants to be the noble warrior fighting for justice. He can't recognize or accept that he's fallen. He can't admit he has done wrong. No redemption is possible until he faces what he has done and what he has become.

All this is why he's grey. He's literally a stained hero.


I'm not sure that's morally grey, unless we take the childhood cartoon villian route where to be a villain you need to enjoy kicking puppies. Lots of bad people think they're justified, and seek validation. That's pretty typical behavior, not limited to good people.
 
2021-04-19 8:28:56 PM  
Fark user imageView Full Size


As a child I had this figure and always referred to him as Black Captain America. Imagine the egg on my face now.
 
2021-04-19 8:56:19 PM  
It takes a fantastic actor to get the audience to truly hate a character...I really respect the job he's done.
 
2021-04-19 8:58:51 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: [Fark user image 425x597]

As a child I had this figure and always referred to him as Black Captain America. Imagine the egg on my face now.


I loved that old line of toys! They came out just as I first getting into comics, which was also the same summer as The Infinity Gauntlet crossover. Very exciting, heady times for ten year old me.
 
2021-04-19 9:24:32 PM  

PandaBearJambalaya: I'm not sure that's morally grey, unless we take the childhood cartoon villian route where to be a villain you need to enjoy kicking puppies. Lots of bad people think they're justified, and seek validation. That's pretty typical behavior, not limited to good people.


That's because most real people are morally grey. However, this is the MCU, where people like Red Skull and Thanos exist. And even the MCU itself is much more morally grey than most comic books.
 
2021-04-19 10:29:45 PM  

Wobambo: Bareefer Obonghit: [Fark user image 425x597]

As a child I had this figure and always referred to him as Black Captain America. Imagine the egg on my face now.

I loved that old line of toys! They came out just as I first getting into comics, which was also the same summer as The Infinity Gauntlet crossover. Very exciting, heady times for ten year old me.


Yeah, every late 80s - 90s Toy Biz line was glorious. So much so that now that I'm a well off adult I've been considering if there's any non-embarassing way to collect and display them. Thus far no, no there is not. I have a reputation as a normie to uphold.
 
2021-04-19 10:43:44 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Wobambo: Bareefer Obonghit: [Fark user image 425x597]

As a child I had this figure and always referred to him as Black Captain America. Imagine the egg on my face now.

I loved that old line of toys! They came out just as I first getting into comics, which was also the same summer as The Infinity Gauntlet crossover. Very exciting, heady times for ten year old me.

Yeah, every late 80s - 90s Toy Biz line was glorious. So much so that now that I'm a well off adult I've been considering if there's any non-embarassing way to collect and display them. Thus far no, no there is not. I have a reputation as a normie to uphold.


Go for it! I have a goal of opening up a soda parlor and comfort food place with a geeky decor (been pricing things like the 6-player X-Men arcade game, thinking I could make a deal with a local comic shop to put in a few old spinning racks with old $0.25 bin comics, and decor would be things like lava lamps and bobbleheads). Obama has a crazy Spider-Man collection. Normies can go "my word" and "I never!" and have their monocles fall in their tea all day.
 
2021-04-19 10:52:06 PM  

Wobambo: Bareefer Obonghit: Wobambo: Bareefer Obonghit: [Fark user image 425x597]

As a child I had this figure and always referred to him as Black Captain America. Imagine the egg on my face now.

I loved that old line of toys! They came out just as I first getting into comics, which was also the same summer as The Infinity Gauntlet crossover. Very exciting, heady times for ten year old me.

Yeah, every late 80s - 90s Toy Biz line was glorious. So much so that now that I'm a well off adult I've been considering if there's any non-embarassing way to collect and display them. Thus far no, no there is not. I have a reputation as a normie to uphold.

Go for it! I have a goal of opening up a soda parlor and comfort food place with a geeky decor (been pricing things like the 6-player X-Men arcade game, thinking I could make a deal with a local comic shop to put in a few old spinning racks with old $0.25 bin comics, and decor would be things like lava lamps and bobbleheads). Obama has a crazy Spider-Man collection. Normies can go "my word" and "I never!" and have their monocles fall in their tea all day.


That sounds fantastic, best of luck. Please make sure the soda can have booze in it so I have an excuse when I'm found imitating Colossus's orgasm scream from the game at unacceptable decibels.
 
2021-04-19 11:07:31 PM  
I'm hesitant to propose this idea, because Disney is going to steal it and I'll never get paid: the next, next Captain America should be Russell's character from Everybody Wants Some, just after weed is legalized at the federal level.  At the end, he turns out to have been Canadian.
 
2021-04-20 1:16:28 AM  
I dunno, I don't hate Walker as much as I pity him.

They took somebody who still had PTSD from Afghanistan, gave him a bunch of medals, and then told him "Here's the shield, you're now Captain America."

He then gets his ass kicked by the villains multiple times, and the Dora Milaje (granted, he started that one in an ill-advised maneuver).

Then the one person he could count on, the one who always had his back and was the person who shared the same trauma he did, gets killed right in front of him.

After that the rest of the cast finishes beating on him.  I think by this point the only main cast member who hasn't taken a piece of him is Zemo.

Finally, rather than take responsibility for what they created, the government washes their hands of him.
 
2021-04-20 6:12:58 AM  

shoegaze99: skyotter: But the SHOW did not.  The show itself only presented Wanda as a justified protagonist.

The fact that the show not only repeatedly showed that people were suffering under her control, but that the pivotal moments after her victory over Agatha were spent hearing directly from residents of Westview telling Wanda that she was a monster who had deeply victimized them (shortly after Agatha herself said "heroes don't torture people"), kind of undermines that point of view.

The show never suggests she was justified. Explaining how she got to that point isn't justifying it, it's simply showing how she reached the point where she was making such awful decisions, just as showing the steps that led to Walker breaking doesn't justify his murder, it simply shows us how he got to that place.


Yeah, but the whole ''these people will never know what you sacrificed for them'' line at the end also kind of undercut that/felt like it was trying to push a 'see what she SACRIFICED to HELP THEM' line when SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SUFFERING IN THE FIRST PLACE?
 
2021-04-20 9:27:37 AM  
I don't hate Walker, but I don't like the man. And I kinda feel sorry for him; it's almost as if the government set him up to fail. Steve Rogers success in part was due to putting together, training and repeatedly emphasizing being part of a team. But Walker didn't have a team nor does he have a team-mentality. It was just him and Hoskins.

So PTSD, no team, super soldier serum, and best friend getting killed, and Walker is one huge train wreck that's probably going to continue to crash for a long while.
 
2021-04-20 1:47:54 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: TelemonianAjax: I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're ...

According to leaks, at least we're getting tie-in toys & figurines of Walker as US Agent, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Baron Zero with a purple mask & codeword book.

How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.


I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I have Disney entirely for Marvel.  We'll watch other things just because it's there, but Marvel is why they get my money.
 
2021-04-20 2:22:33 PM  

LL316: centrifugal bumblepuppy: TelemonianAjax: I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're ...

According to leaks, at least we're getting tie-in toys & figurines of Walker as US Agent, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Baron Zero with a purple mask & codeword book.

How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I have Disney entirely for Marvel.  We'll watch other things just because it's there, but Marvel is why they get my money.


THIS.
 
2021-04-20 2:26:44 PM  

browneye: LL316: centrifugal bumblepuppy: TelemonianAjax: I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're ...

According to leaks, at least we're getting tie-in toys & figurines of Walker as US Agent, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Baron Zero with a purple mask & codeword book.

How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I have Disney entirely for Marvel.  We'll watch other things just because it's there, but Marvel is why they get my money.

THIS.


And to add on...after the 1st 2 Marvel shows, they can go ahead and charge me more if they want to.  Incredible television.
 
2021-04-20 2:55:09 PM  

LL316: browneye: LL316: centrifugal bumblepuppy: TelemonianAjax: I want a Thunderbolts show or movie. It would work if they're ...

According to leaks, at least we're getting tie-in toys & figurines of Walker as US Agent, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Baron Zero with a purple mask & codeword book.

How Disney accounting can justify million$ per episode of this kind of storytelling across several series, I have no idea.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I have Disney entirely for Marvel.  We'll watch other things just because it's there, but Marvel is why they get my money.

THIS.

And to add on...after the 1st 2 Marvel shows, they can go ahead and charge me more if they want to.  Incredible television.


Aaannnd THIS.
 
Displayed 43 of 43 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking





On Twitter



  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.