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(Al Jazeera)   New Zealand sides with one China, putting a stick into the Five Eyes   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2021-04-19 8:43:10 AM  
That whole article is strange. Why are they treating Five Eyes, which is a signals intelligence sharing agreement, like ANZUS which is a collective defense agreement?
 
2021-04-19 9:43:20 AM  
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Yeah... ummm... I'm not arguing with her.
 
2021-04-19 10:52:25 AM  
I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.
 
2021-04-19 11:14:38 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.


The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.
 
2021-04-19 11:34:23 AM  

BigNumber12: Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.

The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.


End of the day, I don't consume much news beyond my local sources and browsing a twitter feed for the headlines and memes. Ain't nobody got time for that shiat.
 
2021-04-19 12:07:37 PM  
""Resting our trade relationship with just one country, long term, is probably not the way we should be thinking about things," she said.

"But it's an 'and-and', it's not about China or the rest, it's about China and others

So New Zealand sees the writing on the wall and chooses to remain neutral in an effort to keep the Pre New Cold War setup from forcing them to take sides.
 
2021-04-19 12:31:04 PM  
New zealand goes full simp.
 
2021-04-19 12:36:44 PM  
FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.
 
2021-04-19 12:38:20 PM  

Nadie_AZ: ""Resting our trade relationship with just one country, long term, is probably not the way we should be thinking about things," she said.

"But it's an 'and-and', it's not about China or the rest, it's about China and others

So New Zealand sees the writing on the wall and chooses to remain neutral in an effort to keep the Pre New Cold War setup from forcing them to take sides.


Say something negative about China, please. I want to see if it is possible.
 
2021-04-19 12:39:45 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: BigNumber12: Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.

The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.

End of the day, I don't consume much news beyond my local sources and browsing a twitter feed for the headlines and memes. Ain't nobody got time for that shiat.


So your position is that a convention that is hundred, if not thousands, of years old ought to be swept aside to protect the fee-fees of one intentionally ignorant goober?
 
2021-04-19 12:42:07 PM  
That whole region of the pacific is scared shiatless right now about China and it's mid-term intents, especially as the US wanes as a reliable ally against China.

We won't help them stand up to CCP, so they're going to start realigning with them as the ascending regional power.
 
2021-04-19 12:43:43 PM  

Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.


Where as "The Four Eyes" sounds whatever the opposite of sinister is.
 
2021-04-19 12:45:37 PM  

nytmare: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

Where as "The Four Eyes" sounds whatever the opposite of sinister is.


Right-handed?
 
2021-04-19 12:49:36 PM  
According to Australia's ABC broadcaster, tensions have flared between Canberra and Wellington
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Got a whole fence made of toothbrushes!  Betcha don't have that in Australia!
 
2021-04-19 12:51:03 PM  

Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.


You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.
 
2021-04-19 12:51:09 PM  
As China exerts more and more influence in the Pacific, expect more and more smaller states that used to exclusively side with the US to hedge their bets a little bit and nudge a little closer to China to give themselves breathing room
 
2021-04-19 12:51:22 PM  

BigNumber12: Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.

The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.


The use of metonyms is more a British English thing vice an American English thing. I'm not saying American's don't use it (how often does the news refer to the Office of the President of the US as "The Whitehouse?), we just tend to use it less.  I'm also going to assume that most of the English edition desk of Aljazeera were educated in the UK.

Yes, there are various cultural connotations as well, not just in dialect or slang, but overt differences in what words were chosen to paint the picture.  The culture influences the language, and vice versa.
 
2021-04-19 12:53:39 PM  

Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.


It's not like there is a hollowed out volcano super fortress involved.
 
2021-04-19 12:57:54 PM  

lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.


NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that
 
2021-04-19 12:58:20 PM  

Erek the Red: BigNumber12: Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.

The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.

The use of metonyms is more a British English thing vice an American English thing. I'm not saying American's don't use it (how often does the news refer to the Office of the President of the US as "The Whitehouse?), we just tend to use it less.  I'm also going to assume that most of the English edition desk of Aljazeera were educated in the UK.

Yes, there are various cultural connotations as well, not just in dialect or slang, but overt differences in what words were chosen to paint the picture.  The culture influences the language, and vice versa.


I've seen plenty of US articles that refer to "Washington" for the government, "Hollywood" for the movie business, "Redmond" for Microsoft etc.
 
2021-04-19 12:58:42 PM  

Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.


Especially 5 eyes owned by billionaires
 
2021-04-19 1:02:01 PM  
In the statement, Canberra and Wellington also welcomed sanctions imposed by other Western nations on Chinese officials over the alleged abuses in Xinjiang.

Mahuta said on Monday that Wellington would not ignore Beijing's actions if they conflicted with its commitment to universal human rights, but said the Five Eyes grouping must not stray from its scope of intelligence-sharing between member nations.

"We are uncomfortable with expanding the remit of the Five Eyes relationship," she said. "We would much rather prefer to look for multilateral opportunities to express our interests on a number of issues."


This makes perfect sense. These people have an island nation to run with a super power very close by, they can't adopt the American Joe Sixpack stance we're already seeing in this thread, talking big shiat about maximum confrontation while sitting safely thousands of miles away in a comfy chair.
 
2021-04-19 1:02:20 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: BigNumber12: Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.

The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.

End of the day, I don't consume much news beyond my local sources and browsing a twitter feed for the headlines and memes. Ain't nobody got time for that shiat.


So, what... are you supposed to get a gold sticker now?

Academy Awards are coming up, what makes you angry about those?
 
2021-04-19 1:02:29 PM  

Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that


And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.
 
2021-04-19 1:05:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: In the statement, Canberra and Wellington also welcomed sanctions imposed by other Western nations on Chinese officials over the alleged abuses in Xinjiang.

Mahuta said on Monday that Wellington would not ignore Beijing's actions if they conflicted with its commitment to universal human rights, but said the Five Eyes grouping must not stray from its scope of intelligence-sharing between member nations.

"We are uncomfortable with expanding the remit of the Five Eyes relationship," she said. "We would much rather prefer to look for multilateral opportunities to express our interests on a number of issues."

This makes perfect sense. These people have an island nation to run with a super power very close by, they can't adopt the American Joe Sixpack stance we're already seeing in this thread, talking big shiat about maximum confrontation while sitting safely thousands of miles away in a comfy chair.


Because China is just going to ignore them?  They sent 220 boats into Phillipines economic zones to steal and wreck the place.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p​hi​lippines-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN2B​S0EY
 
2021-04-19 1:07:15 PM  

RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.


Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.


They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?
 
2021-04-19 1:11:49 PM  

nytmare: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

Where as "The Four Eyes" sounds whatever the opposite of sinister is.


Commenter has problem with someone having four eyes?

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2021-04-19 1:12:00 PM  

talan123: HotWingConspiracy: In the statement, Canberra and Wellington also welcomed sanctions imposed by other Western nations on Chinese officials over the alleged abuses in Xinjiang.

Mahuta said on Monday that Wellington would not ignore Beijing's actions if they conflicted with its commitment to universal human rights, but said the Five Eyes grouping must not stray from its scope of intelligence-sharing between member nations.

"We are uncomfortable with expanding the remit of the Five Eyes relationship," she said. "We would much rather prefer to look for multilateral opportunities to express our interests on a number of issues."

This makes perfect sense. These people have an island nation to run with a super power very close by, they can't adopt the American Joe Sixpack stance we're already seeing in this thread, talking big shiat about maximum confrontation while sitting safely thousands of miles away in a comfy chair.

Because China is just going to ignore them?


I don't understand the question.

They sent 220 boats into Phillipines economic zones to steal and wreck the place.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ph​ilippines-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN2​BS0EY

Ok? The Philippines is ostensibly an ally of ours and it doesn't appear that we're riding to the rescue.
 
2021-04-19 1:13:15 PM  

jethroe: RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.

Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.

They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?


It's fine.  They just cannot pretend to be a democracy worth emulating or that they are different or special.

They are completely willing to sell their intentions to the highest bidder, regardless of how many Holocaust like activities of said country is committing.  It's way more important that money comes in and that internet trolls can stick it to the US.
 
2021-04-19 1:16:18 PM  

awruk!: nytmare: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

Where as "The Four Eyes" sounds whatever the opposite of sinister is.

Commenter has problem with someone having four eyes?

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I bet that spider knows how to use a slide rule.
 
2021-04-19 1:17:26 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: talan123: HotWingConspiracy: In the statement, Canberra and Wellington also welcomed sanctions imposed by other Western nations on Chinese officials over the alleged abuses in Xinjiang.

Mahuta said on Monday that Wellington would not ignore Beijing's actions if they conflicted with its commitment to universal human rights, but said the Five Eyes grouping must not stray from its scope of intelligence-sharing between member nations.

"We are uncomfortable with expanding the remit of the Five Eyes relationship," she said. "We would much rather prefer to look for multilateral opportunities to express our interests on a number of issues."

This makes perfect sense. These people have an island nation to run with a super power very close by, they can't adopt the American Joe Sixpack stance we're already seeing in this thread, talking big shiat about maximum confrontation while sitting safely thousands of miles away in a comfy chair.

Because China is just going to ignore them?

I don't understand the question.

They sent 220 boats into Phillipines economic zones to steal and wreck the place.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ph​ilippines-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN2​BS0EY

Ok? The Philippines is ostensibly an ally of ours and it doesn't appear that we're riding to the rescue.


That's because their president is Asia's version of Trump.  He is constantly changing his tune about what he thinks and is doing.  In 2019, he wanted war with China.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/20​2​1/04/19/2092472/duterte-not-time-send-​gray-ships-west-philippine-sea/amp/
 
2021-04-19 1:21:38 PM  

talan123: jethroe: RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.

Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.

They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?

It's fine.  They just cannot pretend to be a democracy worth emulating or that they are different or special.

They are completely willing to sell their intentions to the highest bidder, regardless of how many Holocaust like activities of said country is committing.  It's way more important that money comes in and that internet trolls can stick it to the US.


No other country runs around squawking about how they are a "democracy worth emulating".  Pretty much just the US.  Hilariously blind as to the sad state of their own democracy, I will add.

lol nice Holocaust reference too.  The Chinese are the Nazis now?  Man, who isn't?
 
2021-04-19 1:24:49 PM  

jethroe: talan123: jethroe: RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.

Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.

They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?

It's fine.  They just cannot pretend to be a democracy worth emulating or that they are different or special.

They are completely willing to sell their intentions to the highest bidder, regardless of how many Holocaust like activities of said country is committing.  It's way more important that money comes in and that internet trolls can stick it to the US.

No other country runs around squawking about how they are a "democracy worth emulating".  Pretty much just the US.  Hilariously blind as to the sad state of their own democracy, I will add.

lol nice Holocaust reference too.  The Chinese are the Nazis now?  Man, who isn't?


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I mean they both have concentration camps, sterilizing people by the millions, kill them, harvesting organs.

Besides that, they are completely different!
 
2021-04-19 1:25:25 PM  
The US has never been a reliable ally to anything other than its own economic interests. NZ is rightly realizing, somewhat belatedly, that completely hitching its fate to a decaying power that not only refuses to protect its 'allies' from outside threats but regularly harms them just to make a dishonest buck isn't in NZ's national interests.

It's sick that the world's smaller countries have to choose (or walk the tightrope between) Xi's genocidal crazies and a country that relishes putting children in cages, but that's the state of the world in 2021.
 
2021-04-19 1:31:10 PM  
I can understand New Zealand not trusting something as seemingly America-centric as this. We recently elected Republican President Donald Trump, the most transparently unqualified, vicious sh*t-heel in the history of American politics.

America's coasting on our post WWII reputation as a "shining city on a hill" is f*cking OVER. You don't get to wipe your ass on the rest of the world for four years and then expect a clean slate just because you remembered to flush.
 
2021-04-19 1:32:56 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: The US has never been a reliable ally to anything other than its own economic interests. NZ is rightly realizing, somewhat belatedly, that completely hitching its fate to a decaying power that not only refuses to protect its 'allies' from outside threats but regularly harms them just to make a dishonest buck isn't in NZ's national interests.

It's sick that the world's smaller countries have to choose (or walk the tightrope between) Xi's genocidal crazies and a country that relishes putting children in cages, but that's the state of the world in 2021.


And after they side with China, we can just ask China for NZ's opinion.  Especially after they start taking their ports.
 
2021-04-19 1:33:57 PM  
Thank goodness one of the 5 Eyes understands that we have been compromised by fascists.
 
2021-04-19 1:41:21 PM  
NZ can go fark itself ever since they pulled their no-nuclear crap.
 
2021-04-19 1:41:28 PM  

talan123: jethroe: talan123: jethroe: RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.

Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.

They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?

It's fine.  They just cannot pretend to be a democracy worth emulating or that they are different or special.

They are completely willing to sell their intentions to the highest bidder, regardless of how many Holocaust like activities of said country is committing.  It's way more important that money comes in and that internet trolls can stick it to the US.

No other country runs around squawking about how they are a "democracy worth emulating".  Pretty much just the US.  Hilariously blind as to the sad state of their own democracy, I will add.

lol nice Holocaust reference too.  The Chinese are the Nazis now?  Man, who isn't?

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I mean they both have concentration camps, sterilizing people by the millions, kill them, harvesting organs.

Besides that, they are completely different!


LOL  sure buddy

You're drunk, go sleep it off.
 
2021-04-19 1:44:02 PM  

Erek the Red: BigNumber12: Tr0mBoNe: I don't trust any article that personifies the capital city of a country as if there are towns talking to each other. It's some lazy shiat.

The use of metonyms and toponyms is nearly universal in the news. If you avoid sources that use them, you'll end up about as well-informed as a 2021 Trumper.

The use of metonyms is more a British English thing vice an American English thing. I'm not saying American's don't use it (how often does the news refer to the Office of the President of the US as "The Whitehouse?), we just tend to use it less.  I'm also going to assume that most of the English edition desk of Aljazeera were educated in the UK.

Yes, there are various cultural connotations as well, not just in dialect or slang, but overt differences in what words were chosen to paint the picture.  The culture influences the language, and vice versa.


What? Americans do it all the time. New Yorkers biatch about Albany; everyone biatches about Washington. People wonder what Moscow or Beijing is going to do next, etc.
 
2021-04-19 1:48:09 PM  

b2theory: That whole article is strange. Why are they treating Five Eyes, which is a signals intelligence sharing agreement, like ANZUS which is a collective defense agreement?


Because...
*deep breath*

...globalization is breaking down at the same time most export dependent economies are facing demographic crunches; US-centric multinationals are getting nervous about the Eurasian security situation and are moving supply chains to stay within the borders of Oceania; China is waging whole-of-society gray zone campaigns in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, the Philippines, Malaysia, Cambodia, and is eyeing Taiwan real good; everyone from Estonian script kiddies to Google Labs have deployed weaponized memetics to create mutually antagonistic transnational identity groups; drones and the internet have given every basement militia group in the world a budget airforce and cut-rate military equipment; and a few tens of millions of people are going see their homes fall to the tides or drought within 20 years...

...so unless The Shire wants to either become a haven for global capital like London/Singapore or a wholly owned subsidiary of the CCP, they need to figure out what an independent geopolitical stance looks like, and they can't do that without at least talking through what the boundary conditions of their current arrangements are.
 
2021-04-19 1:48:11 PM  

b2theory: That whole article is strange. Why are they treating Five Eyes, which is a signals intelligence sharing agreement, like ANZUS which is a collective defense agreement?


In what world is SigInt not massively integrated with defense?
 
2021-04-19 1:52:51 PM  

talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.


You have dictators you just dont know it.
Theyre called big business and the richest 1%.
 
2021-04-19 1:53:55 PM  

jethroe: RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.

Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.

They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?


Ooops

Thread over

Well done
 
2021-04-19 2:30:20 PM  

jethroe: They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal. Both check out.


Eh New Zealand sided with nazi germany. They can do what they want, its their country, it isnt illegal.

Yeah fark off.

New Zealand thinks that if they simp hard enough, China wont roll over them if they ever decide to go full Imperial Japan on their asses.

Bad farking idea.
 
2021-04-19 2:36:40 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: b2theory: That whole article is strange. Why are they treating Five Eyes, which is a signals intelligence sharing agreement, like ANZUS which is a collective defense agreement?

In what world is SigInt not massively integrated with defense?


That isn't the point. It is just strange to me that the article treats Five Eyes as if were NATO.
 
2021-04-19 2:37:40 PM  
But what of the Gang of 14? NZVPN? What's the frequency, Nanaia?
 
2021-04-19 2:42:51 PM  

g.fro: NZ can go fark itself ever since they pulled their no-nuclear crap.


The country they entered into an agreement with elected an irredeemable c*nt.

Situations change.
 
2021-04-19 2:45:24 PM  

jethroe: talan123: jethroe: talan123: jethroe: RustyShock: Arkanaut: FWIW, "The Five Eyes" is a farking sinister-sounding name.

You think so?  It sounds like a TLC make-over show to me.

Reminds me of some grotesque Lovecraftian monster.


talan123: Linux_Yes: lolmao500: New zealand goes full simp.

NZ also happens to rank higher on the world democracy index than the US

Imagine that

And uses it's democracy to empower a dictatorship against other democracies and it's own citizens for money.  So much for the democracy rating meaning anything.

They're free to do anything they want to if it benefits THEIR country and isn't illegal.  Both check out.

Thank GOD the USA has never empowered any dictatorships as long as the US profited.  Because that's never happened, amirite?

It's fine.  They just cannot pretend to be a democracy worth emulating or that they are different or special.

They are completely willing to sell their intentions to the highest bidder, regardless of how many Holocaust like activities of said country is committing.  It's way more important that money comes in and that internet trolls can stick it to the US.

No other country runs around squawking about how they are a "democracy worth emulating".  Pretty much just the US.  Hilariously blind as to the sad state of their own democracy, I will add.

lol nice Holocaust reference too.  The Chinese are the Nazis now?  Man, who isn't?

[Fark user image 425x212]
I mean they both have concentration camps, sterilizing people by the millions, kill them, harvesting organs.

Besides that, they are completely different!

LOL  sure buddy

You're drunk, go sleep it off.


That's a pretty limp dick deflection of his point. Want to try again, or just admit you're wrong?
 
2021-04-19 2:49:02 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: g.fro: NZ can go fark itself ever since they pulled their no-nuclear crap.

The country they entered into an agreement with elected an irredeemable c*nt.

Situations change.


I don't see why you have to drag the Australians into this.
 
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