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2021-04-19 8:51:55 AM  
Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.
 
2021-04-19 9:15:13 AM  
"Pillow magnate"?
"Pillow magnate"?

/sham wow yacht
//sham wow yacht
 
2021-04-19 9:28:03 AM  
dershowitz?

good luck with that
 
2021-04-19 10:55:10 AM  
If you lie about a company and contracts are jeopardized/canceled by those lies then you have damage done that is measurable.  They've already laid it out there for the public. Additionally, that other idiot has already said nobody in their right mind should believe her.  Soooo your move or something?
 
2021-04-19 1:02:02 PM  
Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment

I'm no lawyer but that's farking stupid. That would mean a case could be made for virtually any entity to be labeled the Government and open to libel.
 
2021-04-19 1:25:42 PM  

Mugato: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment

I'm no lawyer but that's farking stupid. That would mean a case could be made for virtually any entity to be labeled the Government and open to libel.


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2021-04-19 1:50:17 PM  

Mugato: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment

I'm no lawyer but that's farking stupid. That would mean a case could be made for virtually any entity to be labeled the Government and open to libel.


Channeling my cyberpunk I can see we have a sinister cabal hiding in the shadows trying to us this to give corporations governmental control.
 
2021-04-19 1:50:38 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


Corporations are people my friend.
 
2021-04-19 1:51:59 PM  
Why not?  Money's speech.  Why not fraud, liable, and defamation?
 
2021-04-19 1:53:04 PM  
I like how Dersh says "I'm not the attorney of record, but I'm advising him."  Nice way to practice law without being subject to sanction by the courts or the bar association for frivolous actions or corrupt dealing.
 
2021-04-19 1:54:14 PM  
Defend against Dominion?  Hell, he's suing Dominion.
 
2021-04-19 1:55:06 PM  
" Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment '.

Yeah , I'll just WTF that one ..
 
2021-04-19 1:55:21 PM  
Yeah Dershowitz isn't going to officially represent a lunatic like Lindell.  He's going to proclaim himself an informal "advisory" to extend his media shelf life.  The man has always been a pathological attention whore.
 
2021-04-19 1:55:32 PM  
"Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment," he said.

We also hold that the client is a huge sucker, we just came up with something that he liked to hear. The check cleared.
 
2021-04-19 1:57:01 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


Did the city hire your landscaping company to plant a tree in the park? Sorry you're the government now, you can't sue for libel.
 
2021-04-19 1:57:21 PM  
I thought that guy's show got cancelled.
 
2021-04-19 1:58:39 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


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Public officials can also sue for defamation. And even at the higher standard of proof, there's plenty of evidence that Lindell is acting with reckless disregard for the truth as it has been upheld in like 70 court decisions:
 
2021-04-19 2:01:35 PM  
So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?
 
2021-04-19 2:03:04 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


Maybe you could if you hadn't repeatedly and specifically highlighted Dominion and it's products as criminally complicit, damaging their reputation.
 
2021-04-19 2:03:07 PM  
I really look forward to seeing this guy and his stupid pillow company ruined.
 
2021-04-19 2:03:12 PM  
"Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment," he said.

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2021-04-19 2:04:34 PM  

eKonk: So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?



He's been promising for 5 months that he'll be releasing that information in 2 weeks.
 
2021-04-19 2:07:28 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


In certain cases you can.  If the government offloads its duties onto a private entity, you can sometimes consider it as if it were the government.  This keeps the government from hiring someone to act under its auspices while not having to respect your civil rights because they are not the government.  So, a city couldn't hire whatever Blackwater is called nowadays to go break in the doors of mosques and then claim there was no religious discrimination because that is a government thing, not a private one.

I'm sure Bite My Pillow is trying to claim Dominion is the government because state governments bought the machines, thus "offloading" the government's duty to carry out elections to a third party.  It's almost certainly hooey, since the governments still conducted the elections, just using the Dominion equipment.  We wouldn't consider Ticonderoga a government stand-in if a state had entirely checkbox ballots, after all.  But I'd bet my hat that the complaint will read like that.
 
2021-04-19 2:09:05 PM  

FrancoFile: eKonk: So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?


He's been promising for 5 months that he'll be releasing that information in 2 weeks.


So it's due out any day now, right?


/I don't have any delusions that any such "proof" exists, just saying that the only thing that could save his pathetic lying ass is the truth.  Liars very rarely are saved by that sort of thing, for some strange reason.
 
2021-04-19 2:09:23 PM  

eKonk: So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?


I can "almost" agree that there is a government issue here. The US government allowed these lies to spread, the state governments canceled contracts. Dominion can potentially sue the US government on behalf of its losing business to the state governments. Lindell is just one pawn in this whole thing.
 
2021-04-19 2:12:24 PM  
Shakespeare had the right idea.  Plus he made the trains run on time!
 
2021-04-19 2:13:13 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


A contractor does not become the government because it's convenient for a random third party. They retain all of their privileges of being private sector entities.
I noticed that they don't mention him hiring contract law attorneys. This is going to end hilariously.
 
2021-04-19 2:14:59 PM  
In case you all didn't know, the launch of his site Frank Speech was a train wreck this morning, and has been a 4+ hour live stream instead. The highlight so far was probably the prank caller pretending to be Trump.
 
2021-04-19 2:17:23 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


That is definitely not how any of this works.
 
2021-04-19 2:18:39 PM  

MindStalker: eKonk: So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?

I can "almost" agree that there is a government issue here. The US government allowed these lies to spread, the state governments canceled contracts. Dominion can potentially sue the US government on behalf of its losing business to the state governments. Lindell is just one pawn in this whole thing.



You just argued that Dominion can sue the Federal Government.  Not that Mike Lindell can sue the government.
 
2021-04-19 2:24:10 PM  

rolladuck: A contractor does not become the government because it's convenient for a random third party. They retain all of their privileges of being private sector entities.


I know for a fact that isn't true.  I work for a private university.  The second we accepted federal student aid money, we had to abide by students' civil rights just like a public school does.  If we denied applicants admission for being, say, Catholic, we would be a smoking crater within the hour.  Places like Liberty, Oral Roberts, and the like are very clear to not accept federal student aid specifically so they can screw over students' civil rights.

Now, nothing suggests Dominion is in the same category, but there is overlap where you are private but have public responsibilities.
 
2021-04-19 2:30:15 PM  

phalamir: In certain cases you can.  If the government offloads its duties onto a private entity, you can sometimes consider it as if it were the government.  This keeps the government from hiring someone to act under its auspices while not having to respect your civil rights because they are not the government.  So, a city couldn't hire whatever Blackwater is called nowadays to go break in the doors of mosques and then claim there was no religious discrimination because that is a government thing, not a private one.


When a private company operates a government service in accordance with the government instructions, then the action appears from the perspective of the private citizen as if it is performed by the government, and the private entity must respect people's rights as if they were the government. But this is because the private entity is under contract to the government, and not because they ARE the government. Outside of the contract's SOW, they are a private entity and enjoy all such privileges as any other. So long as no deviation from the contract is claimed by the government, or proven by a plaintiff in court (just a mechanism for the judicial branch to claim a deviation from the contract) then the private entity enjoys all its privileges, whether it's Blackwater Security, Boeing, or Four Seasons Landscaping.
 
2021-04-19 2:38:03 PM  

FrancoFile: MindStalker: eKonk: So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?

I can "almost" agree that there is a government issue here. The US government allowed these lies to spread, the state governments canceled contracts. Dominion can potentially sue the US government on behalf of its losing business to the state governments. Lindell is just one pawn in this whole thing.


You just argued that Dominion can sue the Federal Government.  Not that Mike Lindell can sue the government.


Sorry I meant to say, that if Mike Lindell loses he can potentially say that the Federal Government is partially to blame and sue for some of his loses.
 
2021-04-19 2:51:00 PM  

Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.


I think they're advocating for seizing the means of production.

It appears Mike Lindell is a communist.
 
2021-04-19 2:51:51 PM  

phalamir: I know for a fact that isn't true.  I work for a private university.  The second we accepted federal student aid money, we had to abide by students' civil rights just like a public school does.  If we denied applicants admission for being, say, Catholic, we would be a smoking crater within the hour.  Places like Liberty, Oral Roberts, and the like are very clear to not accept federal student aid specifically so they can screw over students' civil rights.

Now, nothing suggests Dominion is in the same category, but there is overlap where you are private but have public responsibilities.


I've been working for the government as active duty military in the acquisitions career field (62E/63E), as a contractor, and as a civil servant for almost 20 years.  I've been a COR and a COTR, and I've got a few dozen credits from DAU.  So while I'm not exactly a professor of government acquisitions, I've been around the block a few times.

What you're describing is the responsibility of government to ensure its services respect its citizens' and customers' civil rights.  A government doesn't get to absolve itself of its responsibilities by hiring someone else to perform the work.  By accepting federal student aid money, you accept those responsibilities, because you are performing a role of the government, albeit indirectly.

Dominion was actually in a much tighter relationship than you describe being in, because it was directly hired by the various governments to perform their services.  That doesn't change the fact that they are still a private entity.  At any moment*, they can walk away.  There is no "overlap", you're not both a government employee and a contractor.  You are strictly one, or the other, and there's actually laws prohibiting people from being both without certain declarations and possibly a legal review**.

If you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass, though, go ahead and start telling folks that you are a government employee.  IANAL, so hashtag-notlegaladvice, because if you do, you're gonna have a bad time.


*Depending on the contract, heavy penalties may be prescribed for walking away during critical phases of the period of performance.  It doesn't change the fact that while they would still be responsible for handling those penalties, they still have the right to do so.

**As an active duty military member, I was required to sign a declaration when a sports officials association I was an umpire with got hired to call intramural softball games on base, and I was assigned to games.  No big deal, but still necessary in case another umpire decided to file an ethics complaint.
 
2021-04-19 2:57:02 PM  

eKonk: FrancoFile: eKonk: So I get Dominion's case:

1. Lindell made public statements, both spoken and in print, that alleged Dominion committed acts of fraud during the election. These were not stated as opinions (e.g. "I don't trust those guys."), but rather as facts ("Dominion switched votes from one candidate to the other.")
2. We have seen absolutely  that any of those allegations are true.
3. Dominion has seen cancelled contracts as a direct result of the allegations.

So unless Lindell is sitting on a pile of actual evidence that he hasn't shown anyone publicly - and by this I mean actual, verifiable proof, not bullshiat hand waving incoherencies, he's going to be held liable.

Lindell's case, on the other hand, is completely full of shiat.

1. Dominion is the government, so doesn't have the protections that a private entity would have.
2. He really wants the things he believes to be true, which is almost as good as them being true.
3. If he is lying, that's ok, because he has the right to lie and if anyone objects to that, well then THEY are the real criminals here, aren't they?


He's been promising for 5 months that he'll be releasing that information in 2 weeks.

So it's due out any day now, right?


/I don't have any delusions that any such "proof" exists, just saying that the only thing that could save his pathetic lying ass is the truth.  Liars very rarely are saved by that sort of thing, for some strange reason.


What are you talking about?  He's released 2 documentaries that have given the full truth already.  Duh.  Its just that the courts are too scared.
 
2021-04-19 2:58:54 PM  

rolladuck: phalamir: I know for a fact that isn't true.  I work for a private university.  The second we accepted federal student aid money, we had to abide by students' civil rights just like a public school does.  If we denied applicants admission for being, say, Catholic, we would be a smoking crater within the hour.  Places like Liberty, Oral Roberts, and the like are very clear to not accept federal student aid specifically so they can screw over students' civil rights.

Now, nothing suggests Dominion is in the same category, but there is overlap where you are private but have public responsibilities.

I've been working for the government as active duty military in the acquisitions career field (62E/63E), as a contractor, and as a civil servant for almost 20 years.  I've been a COR and a COTR, and I've got a few dozen credits from DAU.  So while I'm not exactly a professor of government acquisitions, I've been around the block a few times.

What you're describing is the responsibility of government to ensure its services respect its citizens' and customers' civil rights.  A government doesn't get to absolve itself of its responsibilities by hiring someone else to perform the work.  By accepting federal student aid money, you accept those responsibilities, because you are performing a role of the government, albeit indirectly.

Dominion was actually in a much tighter relationship than you describe being in, because it was directly hired by the various governments to perform their services.  That doesn't change the fact that they are still a private entity.  At any moment*, they can walk away.  There is no "overlap", you're not both a government employee and a contractor.  You are strictly one, or the other, and there's actually laws prohibiting people from being both without certain declarations and possibly a legal review**.

If you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass, though, go ahead and start telling folks that you are a government employee.  IANAL, so hashtag-notlegal ...


This.

And the flip side (having been a contractor for half my career), is that there are very clear lines between the things that contractors are allowed to do, and those that government employees are allowed to do.

I worked in network security for USAF.  1 major, 1 captain, 4 LTs, a couple of GS-15s, and 100 contractors.  We monitored the network, determined where threats were coming from, and developed security plans.  We'd even implement the actual changes on the boundary devices, but the military guys had to be the ones who actually approved the configuration changes.

The analogy I gave was we would determine a target, find the best location for the sniper rifle, set the rifle up, load the ammunition, adjust for the wind and air pressure, and aim the rifle.  Then we'd walk over to a butter-bar and say "Hey, LT, could you come over here and pull this trigger for us?  Thanks."
 
2021-04-19 3:04:23 PM  

phalamir: rolladuck: A contractor does not become the government because it's convenient for a random third party. They retain all of their privileges of being private sector entities.

I know for a fact that isn't true.  I work for a private university.  The second we accepted federal student aid money, we had to abide by students' civil rights just like a public school does.  If we denied applicants admission for being, say, Catholic, we would be a smoking crater within the hour.  Places like Liberty, Oral Roberts, and the like are very clear to not accept federal student aid specifically so they can screw over students' civil rights.

Now, nothing suggests Dominion is in the same category, but there is overlap where you are private but have public responsibilities.


This is true.  Private companies can be held to the same standard as long as that private company were performing government functions.

But that doesn't make it a government at all times.

So let's say a company provides a service and they do it both directly to end users and on behalf of the government.  Well if you're a customer of their private sector services and they deny you based on something the government can't, well you can't sue saying they violated your rights.

Now if you were a customer through their government service that the government was contracting them to do and they denied you that service based on something that is protected then you can sue.

That's neither here nor there in this case though because dominion only makes a product that the goverent was/is using.

That's like suing Bic for violating your rights because the government employee was using a Bic pen to deny you your rights.
 
2021-04-19 3:11:40 PM  

rolladuck: phalamir: I know for a fact that isn't true.  I work for a private university.  The second we accepted federal student aid money, we had to abide by students' civil rights just like a public school does.  If we denied applicants admission for being, say, Catholic, we would be a smoking crater within the hour.  Places like Liberty, Oral Roberts, and the like are very clear to not accept federal student aid specifically so they can screw over students' civil rights.

Now, nothing suggests Dominion is in the same category, but there is overlap where you are private but have public responsibilities.

I've been working for the government as active duty military in the acquisitions career field (62E/63E), as a contractor, and as a civil servant for almost 20 years.  I've been a COR and a COTR, and I've got a few dozen credits from DAU.  So while I'm not exactly a professor of government acquisitions, I've been around the block a few times.

What you're describing is the responsibility of government to ensure its services respect its citizens' and customers' civil rights.  A government doesn't get to absolve itself of its responsibilities by hiring someone else to perform the work.  By accepting federal student aid money, you accept those responsibilities, because you are performing a role of the government, albeit indirectly.

Dominion was actually in a much tighter relationship than you describe being in, because it was directly hired by the various governments to perform their services.  That doesn't change the fact that they are still a private entity.  At any moment*, they can walk away.  There is no "overlap", you're not both a government employee and a contractor.  You are strictly one, or the other, and there's actually laws prohibiting people from being both without certain declarations and possibly a legal review**.

If you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass, though, go ahead and start telling folks that you are a government employee.  IANAL, so hashtag-notlegaladvice, because if you do, you're gonna have a bad time.


*Depending on the contract, heavy penalties may be prescribed for walking away during critical phases of the period of performance.  It doesn't change the fact that while they would still be responsible for handling those penalties, they still have the right to do so.

**As an active duty military member, I was required to sign a declaration when a sports officials association I was an umpire with got hired to call intramural softball games on base, and I was assigned to games.  No big deal, but still necessary in case another umpire decided to file an ethics complaint.


But dominion isn't providing services, they're providing a product that the government is purchasing and using on its own.  That is different.

The only service they are providing is support for the product to the government itself, not to the users of the product.

If dominion provided full service voting services it would be a different story.  Ie they provide a full service voting solution.  So city/state wants to offload all their voting responsibilities to dominion and dominion provides machines, personnel, counting, etc.

Kind of like a private prison.  A private prison is technically a representative of the goverent and can be sued for violating rights.

But that's not what is happening.  Dominion has a product, the government isnusinf said product.  Like in my previous example of Bic Pens.  Or the paper manufacturers or ballot printers.

They provide a product to the government, they are not providing a service to the end users, only the government and the government is providing the service to the voters.
 
2021-04-19 3:12:29 PM  

Conthan: In case you all didn't know, the launch of his site Frank Speech was a train wreck this morning, and has been a 4+ hour live stream instead. The highlight so far was probably the prank caller pretending to be Trump.


I just looked up a Guardian article about this "Free Speech" site he wants to start, ... "You don't get to use the four swear words: the c-word, the n-word, the f-word, or God's name in vain," Lindell explained in a video on the Frank landing page."
I've known Marines who can use those words twelve different ways in 20 seconds.  They're gonna be losing a lot of potential users with those rules.
 
2021-04-19 3:19:05 PM  

rolladuck: Conthan: In case you all didn't know, the launch of his site Frank Speech was a train wreck this morning, and has been a 4+ hour live stream instead. The highlight so far was probably the prank caller pretending to be Trump.

I just looked up a Guardian article about this "Free Speech" site he wants to start, ... "You don't get to use the four swear words: the c-word, the n-word, the f-word, or God's name in vain," Lindell explained in a video on the Frank landing page."
I've known Marines who can use those words twelve different ways in 20 seconds.  They're gonna be losing a lot of potential users with those rules.


But remember:

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2021-04-19 3:27:34 PM  

dkulprit: But dominion isn't providing services, they're providing a product that the government is purchasing and using on its own. That is different.

The only service they are providing is support for the product to the government itself, not to the users of the product.

If dominion provided full service voting services it would be a different story.  Ie they provide a full service voting solution.  So city/state wants to offload all their voting responsibilities to dominion and dominion provides machines, personnel, counting, etc.

Kind of like a private prison.  A private prison is technically a representative of the goverent and can be sued for violating rights.

But that's not what is happening.  Dominion has a product, the government isnusinf said product.  Like in my previous example of Bic Pens.  Or the paper manufacturers or ballot printers.

They provide a product to the government, they are not providing a service to the end users, only the government and the government is providing the service to the voters.


My mistake.  I was thinking that Dominion or its contractors also provided support services to the cities and counties, a misunderstanding of what the scope of their work actually was.  I think it stemmed from watching Giuliani's drunk sorority sister's testimony in Minnesota or wherever that was.  You know who I'm talking about.  I really shouldn't have used her as a source for anything but where to score some blow.

It still doesn't mean that they "are" the government as the pillowhead's attorney's argue.  Not even close.

Dominion's lawyers must be laughing their asses off.
 
2021-04-19 3:27:47 PM  
Here's hoping he disappears and is never seen again.
 
2021-04-19 3:56:34 PM  

phalamir: Diogenes: Our position is that Dominion is the government, for purposes of the First Amendment.

LOL.  Ooookaaayy.  I don't think you can proxy that one.

In certain cases you can.  If the government offloads its duties onto a private entity, you can sometimes consider it as if it were the government.  This keeps the government from hiring someone to act under its auspices while not having to respect your civil rights because they are not the government.  So, a city couldn't hire whatever Blackwater is called nowadays to go break in the doors of mosques and then claim there was no religious discrimination because that is a government thing, not a private one.

I'm sure Bite My Pillow is trying to claim Dominion is the government because state governments bought the machines, thus "offloading" the government's duty to carry out elections to a third party.  It's almost certainly hooey, since the governments still conducted the elections, just using the Dominion equipment.  We wouldn't consider Ticonderoga a government stand-in if a state had entirely checkbox ballots, after all.  But I'd bet my hat that the complaint will read like that.


Granted.  But contract work doesn't always extend to representation of the client.  And I think they'll have a hell of a time trying to establish that this work did.
 
2021-04-19 4:05:02 PM  
Dersh is smart, he used to be very smart, and a clever attorney in and out of court. There's a lawyer legend that he was brought in on a case in Texas. That judge was a farking loon who regularly addressed attorneys in open court via hand puppet. This was the early 90s. His name is Fidencio Guerra, Jr. I think he was defeated in an election eventually. Anywho, Dersh's clients' case was a toss up, and judge muppet was abusing the attorneys on that party's side. Up pops the puppet. Dersh reaches into his briefcase and up comes his puppet to answer the question and address the judge's puppet. Dersh supposedly won that case.

/ Dersh is an asshole but he's got tricks. Here, he may just be fleecing a rich and crazy rube.
 
2021-04-19 4:29:03 PM  
What does that even mean, he's not representing him but he's a consultant? I'm sure he's getting paid. So he might not be the main lawyer guy but he's on the legal team.
 
2021-04-19 4:56:46 PM  

Mugato: What does that even mean, he's not representing him but he's a consultant? I'm sure he's getting paid. So he might not be the main lawyer guy but he's on the legal team.


Yes?
 
2021-04-19 5:22:19 PM  
Zombie Bobby Kennedy?
 
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